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Nightmare doll is my favorite Vanguard Archetype 😁

this video is so good !

This video is pretty cool !

Good points

This idea has been bugging me post-DSS05 release where I felt most card design bushi releases give decks to finish game at a faster rate. My problem with this idea is how vanguard decks have become monotonous and the state has become which deck could finish faster. I love playing control decks but I also feel like this playstyle has lost its identity in the current meta where decks flourish on strong turn 3s. Playing my prison deck today as an aggro deck is weird since this deck used to only shine on the later stage of the game where they are at their strongest. However, if I don't play aggressively then Id be giving my opponent more opportunities and resource(hand cards) to build their turn 3 where prison completely lacks at.

Honestly I think it’s just how vanguard is made. Vanguard, standard at least, STARTED with multi attack decks and then the stride decks pushed stuff to have to go faster and attack better and control decks usually have that as a downside to control their power level. If they had slowly moved in multi attack and introduced more control from the beginning of standard I truly believe we’d be in a much better situation

You must be an amulet havencraft player

As a Eugene player, hearing someone call it a control deck feels weird. Like, I get where you are coming from since the deck wants to break the opponent's board to give it as much of an advantage as possible, especially with the re-stander abilities it relies on. But, with how it currently stands, Eugene is in desperate need of some finishers as it is the weakest when it comes to power it can put out on the field, if it was supposed to be a control deck. Plus, with Eva being able to outright deny retires of its main unit, the deck just falls apart if there is no way to interact with the board.

I feel a lot of the issues of control decks come from the decks designed around them. The issues really stem from when decks essentially bypass all of the interaction, which forces Bushi to either sit there and let the deck struggle, super overtune it with crazy strong support, or like you said, provide support that drasticaly change the identity/speed of the deck. Chaos Premium is absolutaly brutal to grind through if it gets the right board state, but decks like Highlander LITERITLY don't care. Unwinable matchup matchup. But then you have the other half where cards like Stride Gredora are integral for the clan's survival, but acts as a one button shut down for like literitly 60% of the game's playable decks. Kagero as an entire clan is already doing horribly because of poor generic support, but really also because retire is so comicly weak at higher tiers of play. Like Gandeeva, if your deck doesn't just kill a large chunk of the board every turn, most great decks will always recover from them/don't even care. A full board whipe is devistating in any tcg, but stuff like Granblue remain completely unaffected. Polarizing is the word. They make it feel as if control decks are not very interesting, calculated, grind decks but rather "you aren't allowed to play the game" decks where only a few lucky clans have the privelage of being able to play through them. Yet at the same time, in the wake of ever increasing offensive power creep, I could not see these decks going without their "toxic" qualities.

I'm actually super excited with the Divine skill era, as it would be SUPER EASY to implement this type of thing Deck takes resources (as an act skill you pay the cost of cb1 or sb2 or eb3 using your opponents resources to draw cards, maybe they can give the vg power +5k if your opponent has no resources Then with a divine skill they can implement a gastille type skill, like v gastille. Put a card from hand to damage Harsh guard restrict Crits to all units Power to all units It would be AMAZING so here's to hoping maybe Levidras does that! Or the DE guy! Either way I agree! I love controll decks and I'm hoping to see them in the future!

2023 premium Before History collection More control deck in the meta

I wonder if you would call Yotsuba(Gotoubun collab) as a control deck

i disagree with v premium being a mistake V is fantastic, thing with V is the control decks arent good. Eradicators is control, i could argue shirayuki is control but one deck type that you didnt cover was combo. I think fighting fist god hand dragon is a combo deck since you want to set up triple or double front on top with all of your front boosters on board for a giant finishing attack.

I wish the card design team would be willing to take risks for new win conditions. Glendios was interesting when it first came out since you could go for the stall world end win con or you could just do normal Link Joker beatdown with greater defenses. I think what the team has to balance is when control is too oppressive. Even going against Delete and Lock, I can still swing with my vanguard and make plays if I don't over extend. Megacolony got to a point where they can stun the vanguard, your key unit that enables most if not everything in the game. You would draw for turn and if you couldn't ride, all you could do is pass turn. That alone is a death sentence in Vanguard, and a slow one at that.

I think this issue has actually been getting better with the newer cards being released. In set 3 we have Sacrifice Glass, a control deck with an interesting stall win con and a finisher. Exactly what you described. I 100% agree we could have a lot more control centered decks but I don't think vanguard card design has become stagnant at all. There's a fair amount of aggro and control decks you didn't mention. And when vanguard isn't putting out clearly defined archtype decks they're releasing cards that give existing decks the options to be more aggro, midrange, or control. A lot of decks now bot deck, bind, retire, or affect the opponent without necessarily being control decks

I wish Siana could be more bind focusing deck; and then when she binded enough opponent cards, she gets +10k, 3 drive, 2 crits, and guard restrict if no front rearguards Also more protection to her "defensive" rearguards that going to her soul

As much I do agree with the idea that there a cruel lack of control in VG, I feel like the definition of control given here is very arbitrary If we go by the 1, 1, 1, 5 power level decks, post misdeeds dragon Kheios absolutely follows this pattern, but I doubt any person playing VG would call Kheios a control deck By contrast direful dolls, following the tempo deck power curve presented in the video is a really good deck for denying your opponent ressources and controlling the pace of the game, to just win off of sheer card advantage in the late game rather than with power I think it's unrealistic to want VG to have control decks that play the exact way as they do in MTG or SVE because of the inherent difference in game flow, but I do agree more would be welcome

Cool video, the graffics are dope

there is Gyze in premium for the control playstyle, in standard we have Griphogila for an explosive OT turn but for those decks you telegraph your strategy as soon as you flip your starter and your opponent can prepare their PGs or rush you down.

Play defensively until you deal 6 damage in one shot? Sounds like premium Dimension Police. Very fun deck to play :3

I was wondering why my interest in Vanguard dipped this is probably it. They honestly making a similar issue to Yugioh

This was actually a very interesting video type and points being made

I agree that greedon is still has a pretty strong force. having battle dore on 3 attacks (sometimes 4) when the opponent is on 5 is such a hand eater. Not to mention you can take that extra free damage wich also denies 6 damage heals. my list is very close to yours, i honestly agree with running the extra greedon in deck for the extra filter search and finding a desire devil piece and in worse hand case scenario and you need to stay on greedon for a extra turn, you can chug it in soul for the 7 damage effect. With my list i run: 3 skull chemdah (hard pick between 3 or 4, but i basicly see it as another masq copy since you wanna see either it or a masq in your opening hand) 3 birds (so you dont get cucked on damaging checking/drawing all of them. WICH STILL HAPPENDS >:C) 1 dokusen (but i am considering running 2 tbh) 0 lindalkia, since i dont wanna run to many cards that go trough the deck faster. in return i run: 1 inken (the treat of tripple drive has good value) 2 of the other new desire devil that can bounce back to hand for EB3, just cause its plussing without decreasing deck and you should have enough energy for it. (plus blasting 7 for a draw is another -1 to deck count). and ofcourse bonus points to the 10k shield late game. Inken is still a love/hate kind of card for me specially cause of the forced soul charge on persona and triple drive means going trough the deck gaster, so I might still replace it with 1 more dokusen. Honestly if we get another suport card in the futher that can return SOME cards back to deck (rip the OG greedon only bird), just to squueze in 1 or 2 more turns i think greedon masq will be perfect for me. I love greedond and its basicly the only deck i kept updated IRL so im looking forwards to hearing your thoughts!

i think this deck is nutsu LOL gladd to see you agree

Why did i really want you to say "YAAAAAAS QUEEN". nice video ^^

Just a heads up. Colabs replace a common slot so they don’t take up any pre-existing RRR slots those ratios are the same regardless.

Jheva and bav support

First 👀

Me a greedon and welstria player wait you guys have rear guards ?

First, also nice video

pre ordered ladder in january

Shiranui and luard

i feel bracing angel would be perfect if this game had a side deck.

I like Bracing Angel Ladder for Charmout due to the Draw, Soul, and +5k to vg. But my point is invalid since I don't play Irl and Charmout isnt meta (I think it isn't, I don't really know).

I got lucky and pulled my Bracing Angel Ladder and I got Forbidoll for 5$ when it came out.

I was talking to my brother about wishing clans had a bit more representation in Standard. I personally had loyalty to Gold Paladins and Gear Chronicle when I played the original game. That even carried over to V-Standard when we got that, I built Duke and Chronotiger. I never go into an event thinking that they are going to win or even SHOULD win, I just like to have fun with the clans I enjoy. (I'm definitely not an elitist about what should be played in what clans) The thing I do kinda wish I could have is more diverse clan representation in Overdress Standard. I want Effect Triggers to get new prints (same effects as the regular effect triggers, but new unit/art), so maybe I can take out the Pale Moon-style effect draw for Dark States and put in a new effect draw that matches the rest of the aesthetic of my deck. Maybe I'd be able to take out the Granblue-like Front in my Stoicheia deck for an effect front that matches, right? I just want stuff to match my deck and not feel shoe-horned into it.

Not all decks has bp disruption but most decks do and among them the relevant decks dwell.

"Shiranui still dominate the meta" world's best dad joke

Should I go for Forbidoll for Shiranui?

Im honestly getting one of each Regalis piece and Elementaria now, honestly. Forbidoll and Angel Ladder are so expensive. I wonder why people buy multiple copies.

glad i opened it instead

I accepted a while ago that I won’t get regalis pieces unless they’re part of a deck set

HOLY Crap

Great pulls 👍 unironically wish that jabberwock was one of my Alt arts I got the alt art Alice and dark Alice in my case along with that sp Millie card

ill building heroes and beauty beast deck, nice pulls for 2 boxes a great success, jaberwock telling you to choose it for trios

Is the clan encounter deck are still playable in the DZ mechanics and standard format even we need is just adding 4 cards in the main deck?

Do the rivals and best friends

nice trigger 👍

you are the only dumb ass that plays botis when that is suppose to be miroslava you dumb ass trash why bother uploading garbage when you can't even build the deck right also what dumb ass doesn't play gradle as well delete this shitty ass channel you dumb ass failure that can't build decks right at all

This made me laugh out loud Hao, thank you 😂