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MBS Old School Mechanics
Australia
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2019
Hi-clone outcome from my Aug 18 post
Removed them, refitted them & removed them again. The owner did not notice any difference in power or driveability. So it looks like I have to do a proper evaluation of the product to get some fuel economy numbers and see if they are worth the outrageous money they cost.
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Alternator fitment on a Toyota 1HZ engine
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Alternator clapped out and had to replace it but the adjusters were seized on the alt and A/C, so more parts and work was required.
Clutch Adjustment Problems
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Not what I thought the problem would be according to my slightly incorrect drawing of my clutch setup. I thought it might be a slipping clutch fork on the shaft but it was not that. I ended up replacing the clutch, pressure plate & throw out bearing.
Diagnose Compression by Sound on a Holden 6
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A very simple technique I used everyday before I would attempt to tune an engine. If a compression was down or up it becomes a major obstacle in tuning an engine properly.
Engine Guard Review
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I fit and test a new type of temperature gauge that measures metal temperature instead of water temperature. This is a much more accurate way of monitoring engine overheats since it is the metal temp that dictates whether an engine has overheated.
Electrical gadgets
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A few gizmos I have used to make electrical connections easy.
4bbl Holley carby repair & adjust
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This was supposed to be an adjustment but very quickly turned into a repair. I removed the front bowl and repaired what was necessary to enable the engine to fire up.
Cooling System Safety Alert
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While I was working on an engine in a stand, the heater block off hose came off. Luckily I spotted it and jumped clear before it exploded. The same thing happened the day before to the owner with a very different result.
1bbl Stromberg Carby Adjustment
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Holden 202 with an XU-1 cam fitted with a standard 1bbl carby. An attempt to adjust it and problems arising from the adjustment. Not a good example as the carby in standard trim will not work correctly without some modifications. In any case this would be a bad combo to have since the carby is to small for the application.
Holden 202 Rocker Geometry Check
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Another look at how to do a rough check of your geometry, but this time I use a complete engine that I just fitted a Bathurst XU-1 camshaft to.
Hi-clones, Do They Work?
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I found two of these in the intake of a Toyota Hi-lux diesel. I secretly removed them to see if the owner notices any difference in power or driveability. Next installment will be the verdict.
Centrifugal and Vacuum Advance on a Holden 6
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I explain what they mean, show you how to check & adjust centrifugal advance along with some tips
Harmonic Balancer TDC Mark Check
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I show how to check the TDC mark for accuracy on the harmonic balancer of a Holden 202 using a two person method.
Hydraulic Lifter Adjustment after fitting a Camshaft into a Holden 202
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This is a follow up from my last video on explaining how to fit a camshaft. Had to split it as it was too long because there were issues with the adjustment.
Replace a Camshaft in a Holden 202
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My attempt to talk through how to do a camshaft replacement since most of my actual video of the job failed. I am fitting a good secondhand XU-1 cam that has done very low mileage.
Holden 6 Remove & Replace Distributor
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Holden 6 Remove & Replace Distributor
Toyota Coaster Window Runner Replacement
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Toyota Coaster Window Runner Replacement
How to Remove a Toyota Coaster windscreen
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How to Remove a Toyota Coaster windscreen
How to Remove a Toyota Coaster Side Window Frame
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How to Remove a Toyota Coaster Side Window Frame
149-186 Holden cylinder head geometry adjustments
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149-186 Holden cylinder head geometry adjustments
Holden 6 Bosch Distributor Re-furbish
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Holden 6 Bosch Distributor Re-furbish
Holden 202 rocker geometry & lifter adjustment
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Holden 202 rocker geometry & lifter adjustment
Great video thanks 👍
Very interesting thankyou. I noticed today that one lobe on my camshaft was as good as dry after turning over by hand whilst doing another job, not sure whats wrong but also realised i don't actually know how hydraulic lifters work! Was on bikes for most of my life so was used to adjusting valves, still dont know whats wrong but have a better idea how they work now at least!
at last a useful description on how to assemble an old stromberg carb. noticed i forgort to fit the top washer, which might explain why i cannot get my avenger to run smoothly. thanks, phiip
Thanks for posting
Hey mate can you do a video on installing and setting timing on an electronic distributor? Thanks mate I love ya videos 👍🏼
I will see if my mate has one that I can fit to one of his engines in the near future.
Great video thanks mate. Ordering one right now.
Hi this is RC I left u my number. Not sure u call back but any way. I want to say thanks very very much for sharing this very worthwhile and well documented and technically informative reassembly video. We were able to follow it step by step and rebuild the carb as u instructed and it made a huge difference in my understanding of how it goes together and how it all works. Thanks so very much and have a super nice day RC
Great video
that was great thank you for your work:)
Husband built so many 186 red motors , never used 202 non adjustable pedestals , always adjusted them running also , backed off to zero and the down 1/2 turn never had a problem
Awesome. I made a video on adjusting hyd lifters running as well, somewhere on my website & on my U-tube channel.
Hi mate. I’ve just found your channel while looking up the Holden Reds. I just put a video out on my channel of a 202 Red I put in a Caterpillar D2 tractor and it’s going very well. I love these old engines, not just Holden but all makes of this era, and usually look up similar content. I like how you do your videos and your genuine old school ways that this should be done, and your knowledge. I subscribed straight away because this is no nonsense genuine content. All the best in your journey and hopefully you get a good following to grow this channel. Well done mate
Where did you get the 40 thou less rods from? I’m using std 202 9.016 and I think they’re too long for mine since the head has been shaved and I’ve got a high lift cam. Cheers
Well some of my information will be about 20yrs old. Many moons ago I got them from Lunati in USA but the ones we actually fitted which were .040" shorter came from some speed shop down south. Just do a search for pushrods & see what results you get.
@@mbsoldschool Roger dodger.
Good tips
Really good and well made video. I took my CD150 apart without documenting the order of parts so this has helped me with the reassembly for my Triumph 1300 FWD. Many thanks.
Glad it helped!
Can someone tell me what the advantage is with a hydraulic lifter compared to a solid lifter
Set the tappet clearance once for the life of the engine or cyl head. Thay are quieter as well.
I have a weird problem. I think I have a failed Lifter, but not in the usual way. Is it possible they can get seized and hold the valve open? As I had a dead cylinder in my 6L Chevrolet engine. On top dead center, compression stroke.There is no clearance between the Rocker and The valve In essence, the intake valve was never closing It's almost like the push rod. It's too long, so anyways, loosened off the bolt that holds the rocker assembly just until there was some clearance and lo and behold, it runs fine, And I have compression again. But I cannot leave the rocker bolt loose. The only thing I can think of is that the somehow lifter is seized and isn't collapsing. Does that make any sense to anybody here ?
possibly a failed lifter. Just check that the valve stem height is the same as another cylinder on the comp stroke. I have encountered destroyed valve seats which cause the valve to stick up higher which in turn pushes the pushrod deeper into the lifter until it locks. Another check is tighten the bolt after you get zero lash & see how far it pushes the rod into the lifter. 3mm max to be safe. But it may actually open the valve when doing that because the lifter will be full of oil. In saying that though the valve will slowly close indicating that the lifter is bleeding down. If it does not bleed down then you have a seized lifter.
Please tell me, patrol engine suitable or not
Yes, suitable for all 4 stroke petrol engines. Diesel use a different product which I have not tested but use it in my 1HZ toyota from the back of testing the petrol product. I figure the diesel one probably works as well.
Patrol engine suitable or not
Said for petrol
Excellent thanks for this video 😊
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Very clever stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
weird question, i've seen a few vids of guys converting a hydraulic lifter to a solid lifter for sake of getting valve train measurements. i have an extra set of unused hydraulic lifters and accidently ordered the wrong cam if i convert my lifters by turning the guts upside down and eliminating the spring, will it still oil the pushrods and rockers? would it be usable i can get a set of polly locks to set the adjustment, if not short-term till the correct lifters or cam might arrive and time is available. coming from a background in diesel i'm familiar with setting and maintaining solid lifter cams. or is there significant more to a solid lifter than just an oil pathway.
It won't work. The only way to do it is to remove the spring and fit washers on that little ledge in the main body until the plunger has no downward movement. Getting the correct washer will be your next challenge, I have never seen them. When I convert hyd to solid for rocker geometry checks, I just add washers under the spring & allow about .050" plunger movement. You would need to add more washers to make the downward movement to zero. This way you will still get oil feed to the pushrods but adding all these washers in there would only be very temporary as I feel that the spring may break apart because you will never get it to zero movement, so the spring will be subject to shock load and eventually break & then you will get a ticking noise due to excess clearance & of course a ground up spring will put metal powder through your engine. Long story short, I would not try it.
@mbsoldschool thank you for your information, kinda where I was heading with my research too. Oh well I guess there's always next year lol
thanks - these are great how to videos
great how to videos thanks
Yep, can be very dangerous. Pressure would have been anything up to 14.99 lbs ( using a 15 psi rad cap)
Had the same thing happen! Lucky it was the bottom on and shot downwards,,,,, he definitely lucky it got his belly but still that's a rough burn! Hope he is feeling better
Do the lifters bleed down! If the engine was not running or newly built they need removing? To fill them? Is checking back lash on empty lifters is a potential problem for instance?
of course they bleed down. I have been adjusting empty lifters all my career just like in the vid. Even if you can't see the lifter & adjust by feel to remove the play, you can still be within 1/8 turn out usually in the tight direction, so no harm done there. Back in the day I always built up oil pressure first before firing the engine so all the lifters had oil in them. By the way the engine will still start when most of the lifters have bled down. They will pump up once they have oil pressure.
Great lesson thanks! Had a HQ holden forteen years. Great engine! Question on the lifters if they are the same as in a Rover V8 theres a spring inside them. Is the oil designed to keep pressure lightly on the push rod or the spring is doing that? And i never had to adjust the clearances on the 202. My Rover has a high lift cam opening valves 500thou. Cam wear is relatively fast. Every 12000miles should adjust llifters is advised. Im sceptical...If they are adjusted correctly wont the hydraulic lifters keep ticking noise iff the valve train away? I haven't any previous experience with RV 8 my one is running really well done 48000 km and dyno shows ver high ft/lb at the wheels. With me its done 5000k trouble free. Knowing the cam and lifters are a week point thanks for teaching me about this.
The spring in the lifter maintains light pressure against pushrod. 12,000 miles sounds crazy. Once adjusted correctly, the lifters should last the life of the engine, unless the cam or lifter fails.
Maybe put a WW Stromburg on it for an experiment.
He fitted a 4bbl holley of unknown condition. That was fun, will release that one next. Of all the Holden stuff he has he has not got a 2bbl set-up.
Good. Thanks for the lesson. What about the hydraulic lifter wear? Or the cam lobe wear. Is that not likely in the 202? Thanks for the video.
I not long ago uploaded a more recent video on an actual complete motor. In reality you would only perform a geometry correction on a new set-up or when the head has been reconditioned. No point in doing it on a worn engine and the wear you are talking about is minimal unless you have a chopped out lobe or lifter.
@@mbsoldschool Thanks I'm gonna watch that.
Agree, BS is my answer. Total con.
So the people making this thing know more than the Toyota engineers. I don't think so.
Yeah, I know where your coming from. There are a lot of experts out there that are better than the engineers, didn't you know that ha ha. Considering the age of the technology in 1995, there are some devices around that actually do improve fuel economy & power, however the ROI is not good, so why bother fitting them. The problem is the marketers of such products over inflate the numbers to make sales. The customers are generally dis-appointed after trying them out. In this case I want to see if the owner actually notices any difference in performance or driveability. As for fuel economy, who knows if there is a substantial increase or not, I say not much. Probably similar results as the undercarb ones I tested years back but only on the older vehicles pre 1985.
@@mbsoldschool Fair enough. Be interesting to see what happens. Thanks
I have the blue distributor that has 14 degrees centrifugal advance , is that enough for today's fuel ? With 10 degrees initial and only 14 degrees centrifugal thats only 24 total !
Nah, you are short on advance. A stock VH has 23-27@4400rpm but a VK EFI has 16-20@5000. You may have the VK dist fitted or your secondary spring is just way to tight & not allowing the advance to peak out or your cam lobe shaft is seizing or it's been modified. If your running premium fuel, you set up the standard specs to start with & then play around with adding advance until it starts pinging then knock it back a few degrees from there.
@@mbsoldschool I have checked distributer , it is an EFI model and with a degree wheel it only has a groove slot that only allows the pin on top plate to move 14 degrees
I am running a 202 in a 3.5 tonne truck , do I need a slower curve ?
Hi , Do you time the engine with the vaccum advance blocked off or connected?
99% of Holdens the timing is set with the vacuum hose off.
Do you think you could do a video of installation of the harmonic balancer as I believe you need to bash it on. Is there a less violent method.?
No plans at this stage to do that but that is exactly how it is re-installed. I use a small block of hardwood placed up against the inner part of the pulley and bash it to force the pulley on. Hitting directly on the pulley may install it faster but the hammer marks deform the surface. Only one thing you have to be careful of & that is missing the mark with the hammer & accidently hitting the outer part part of the pulley which may very well move it on the rubber joiner & knock the alignment out between the two parts.
Seems like a brutal way to instal it, shame they didn't have a bolt like the chev 6. Was worried I may damage the crank bearings and thrust by beating it on.
Yeah, beating it up against the thrust face. You can get a machine shop to drill & cut a thread, then use bolt. However not sure if that will weaken the shaft. Engine re-balance may also be required.
Would love to see how you get the crank gear off, I’ve left mine in as it doesn’t appear worn especially as it’s against an aluminium cam gear being softer but new would be nice. What do you use or could you do a video on that please?
about 2mins into the vid is the tool you use to remove the crank gear.
I bought a cam kit recently and noticed they were including 186 length rods so I asked them to put std 202 rods in. Thought that was a bit odd really. What I don’t get here is that the manual says to torque those rocker bolts down so how can that be if there needs to be a preload? With these bridged rockers I thought the lash was correct due to the std rods being in there.
preload is not what it seems in this case. It is only setting the plunger depth into the lifter bore, there is no actual real preload, just a small tension against the internal spring. Did you not see that I went .040" shorter on the rods because the head & block were shaved. This will drive the pushrod deeper into the lifter the more that is shaved from the head & block so therefore to maintain an acceptable lifter adjustment you must fit shorter rods and all this depends on the valve stem height as well. If the builder pockets the valves then they stick up higher which will drop the rod deeper into the lifter. A bit to consider rather than just slapping everything in & torque the rocker bolt down & hope for the best.
@@mbsoldschool Yes I saw all that, I'm talking about a std head and rods. If I tension them to spec that pretty much pushes the rocker bridge to the studs they sit on, so I'm not seeing how that would allow zero lash if you get what I mean? It's either tightened solid or the threads would be exposed by loosening them.
Thanks mate. Just put in my 202 back into my VH with yella terra bits and bobs, goes hard!
Would you know by chance what the valve drop difference is with unequal rocker geometry? In this case?
I gather you mean valve opening distance variations. 20 yrs ago I did the geometry exercise using a degree wheel & dial gauge, using different rockers at different geometry angles. There was only a few thou difference when the bolt difference was a qtr to half turn. In a 202 the geometry is set by the valve stem height. In this engine the relationship of correct geometry is affected by the cam base circle, lobe lift, valve stem height & pedestal height. The pushrod length only determines how far the rod will end up down the lifter bore after torquing the bolt down, it does not affect geometry at all.
Hey mate, I think I need you to come to my place, as I managed to stuff up the timing on my 202.
Pull it out & start again and just do exactly what I did, easy as.
Lubing the rubber seal on the timing case cover, any lube would do? Does it have to be rubber grease?
Nothing seems to beat rubber grease. That is its purpose to fit rubber parts so they don't get pinched. I have used it my entire career. There may be other brands out there that may be called another name but make sure it is for installing rubber components.
How many RPM should the engine be running minimum maximum
XU-1 spec is 900rpm. I would not go below as it idles to rough & the CD's would have to be in perfect condition & set-up perfectly. Max would be 1000rpm but only if the engine does not run on when it is switched off. I like 900-950 most of the time.
How many RPM should the engine be running minimum maximum
How many RPM should the engine be running minimum maximum
How many RPM should the engine be running minimum maximum
Crankshaft play and connecting rod play ring cap Piston play and Piston pressure
Excellent info.
Well done I learnt allot...thank you.
Great explanation. What about non adjustable lifters like in a 7.4 (454) GM engine? Roller lifters and the rocker bolts are torqued down. The manual says if you shave the head or put new valve seats in, you may want to switch to a kit with adjustable. Yet with this clearance within the lifter, would or could this be enough where new valve replacement is okay with sticking to the torqued rockers?
I am not familiar with this engine but it sounds the same as our 202 Holden engine, Ford cleveland & the chrysler hemi 6 set-ups & maybe a few more. They all have bolt down rocker pivots that are not adjustable, well not easily anyway. I have a few vids on my channel on the 202 engine lifter adjustment & rocker geometry that may be of use to get an understanding of how these work. In a nutshell, if you shave the head .020" you need .020" shorter pushrods to maintain the same lifter compression or you don't bother & allow the pushrod to go that little bit deeper into the lifter, it will still work. The important factor is how much movement tolerence is built into the lifter plunger. Our 202 has a range of up to 4mm before the lifter locks up and becomes a solid tappet, so a safety measurement would be 3.5mm max. Check out what I already have up and look out for a couple more coming up in the next 3-4 weeks.
I think there is a dog inside the motor BRO
I think your right ha ha ha