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everyone in this game is gay xD

this is seven months old but honestly if the player were involved i don't understand how that would break the suspension of disbelief?? if anything i would assume it would make it stronger

i gotta be honest you're kinda like matpat if he was a good theorist and actually put the right pieces together to form a structurally sound theory from historical and real life studies

No!, Berdly clearly has a crush on Susie in chapter 2

7 months later, how do you feel about winning the shipping lottery in the newsletter today?

TFW, you're in a story 😔

I just got around to watching this and really all i have to say is i worship spamton thats it also this is NOT a joke

Haven’t finished the vid yet but I think the reason why these type of games never break our suspension of disbelief is because while they might aknowlage the player and maybe even the fact that they are in a game, they never make it part of the ‘cannon’ that all of their lines are pre-written. It’s always either that the characters are very complex AI with actual human emotions (like doki doki) or that the program on your pc is just a gateway to their world (kinda like one shot, I mean the world is a program with complex ai and niko is from a whole separate ‘real’ world). Thus these games never truly break the “barrier”, and we can still hold onto our suspension of disbelief. I’d reckon deltarune is going with the latter approach of us being “connected” to deltarune’s world.

Half of the reason for me to be waiting for another video is to see your amazing theories and analyzes AND and half to see if there will be more Raccon content and if the paper one is just really fucking dead

I know some people will disagree, but I loved that you talked about more than just deltarune, about philosophy and the fear of the end. I really want to know what else you can do, I hope you don't get stuck in some kind of "deltarune bubble".

CATTI IS THE KNIGHT!!! OMG

Dude this is S Tier you deserve MILLIONS of subscribers, holy hell

Toby working on Homestuck pretty much tells me Toby is more than used to the idea of Meta-Narrative being as impassable as the collision of the walls in Donkey Kong 64.

I can't believe HOW GOOD this video is. I devoured every single minute of it. I love this ideo of taking a subject and trying to find symbols and meanings. It's amazing how much there is to say about these games. Amazing job. 👍👏🏻👏🏻

Kris is nonbinary though

I must admit, after the "Someone else" section I lost interest in the theory and just wanted to see the real Snarlinger get his name and identity back.

I dare someone to take a shot everytime he says name

But isn't he crushing on Susie?

I had an idea, really... If you're still connected, you can also be disconnected: Meta-narratively connected, but also narratively disconnected as well, same as Undertale's Barrier as well: You can still feel emotionally attached to all these characters, & Deltarune also asks us "You acknowledge the possibility of pain & seizure", this could also mean having your beloved Characters or game taken away from us: To us on a Meta-narrative story scale, we can no longer play the game, nor interact with those characters anymore. This gives us "pain & seizure", seizure of something we once had, & pain from having it taken away from us. That wording can apply broadly, but were we to lose our connection, that would mean... Something...disastrous. We would no longer feel connected, & were the 4th wall to be broken, all hell would break lose as well. Which is why we suspend our disbelief, & allow that 4th wall to be broken as well, at the risk of us becoming scared, or interacting with The World in a more direct way as well. But on a narrative level, we are disconnected, yet also disconnected should this happen on a Meta-narrative level as well. We cannot be both connected & disconnected on a narrative level, but we can on a Meta-narrative level: It is only when we are disconnected when we throw away the game on a narrative level, out of lack of interest whatsoever, but also on a Meta-narrative level when something challenges the way we look at things, & just cannot accept things either way: I think this is our barrier, our contract that The Survey_Program presented us: I believe it was worded that way for a reason... "YOU ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS FROM NOW ON." The problem is, it applies broadly: And to disobey, is to be unable to play any longer or anymore as well: That is Our Barrier: "To accept everything that happens from now on." God only knows what should happen if we violate it...

From my ethics studies and classes, which also include philosophy, I can with all of my confidence confirm that philosophy is ultimate brain rot. Anyway, the little OG raccoon is spitting fire, that's so good. They're right.

0:00 asmr

18:23 i have this urge to upload the exact same video but then 18 minutes in after the word "messy" it just transitions into a messi edit

Chara being nothing except the role they were made to play and being a narrative tool makes so much sense, as much as I hate the idea. Because really, it's almost like their tragic death is being told as a sort of thematic part of the Monster's story, but they themselves, who they are, gets overlooked. Rewritten almost, the way people sometimes rewrite history to make a point or spread their bias. It's hinted that Chara may have felt a lot of pressure from Monsterkind's situation as they placed hope on their shoulders as proof that humans and monsters could one day live in peace again, shown by their strong friendship with Asriel. They may have thought that they were predestined to be the Angel, and that led them to their plan to commit suicide. Even nefore their death they weren't "just a kid," but a narrative tool. And then afterrwards? They were another story Monsters told themselves to highlight their tragedy and bad relationship with humans.

Imagine thinking DDLC's intentional breakage of your suspension of disbelief is an actual flaw. No offense, but that's incredibly subjective. In fact, a lot of what makes DDLC so creepy and really cool is it's reveal that Monika is self-aware, and all the hinting at that up until that point.

30:05 exeplifies the difference between reason and logic. Logically that comment is right that doesn't make any sense from the perview of rules of reality as we know it. but reasonably if there's evidence what's to say it's imposible even if it seems like a huge stretch. dream theories have the opposite problem, logically dreams are weird so yeah crazy things happen. But reasonably it's lame to throw away all evidence because everything can be explained away with bad world building, writing, or care with creating the story.

26:00 survey program!? "you'll accept everything that will happen from now on". Accept loss perhaps? Accept that life goes on? Accept deltarune for being the game it becomes?

16:50 sure don't, mostly for guilty flygon.

10:20 consume narrative as first meal then meta narrative as second. The game shifts the focus rather than breaks it. The twist after playing for enough time to get comfortable and stay invested makes it interesting. But that's kinda ruined if you've seen the game before, if you even know the twist before it happens. It being done wrong would be flowey at the start of undertale just tell you directly how to play like dora the explorer. So how is this investment maintained in this kind of narrative to be left replayable or even worth remembering. Well it's an experience sure you can only see it blind once but remember it forever. How undertale manages to surive despite it's terrible replayablility for most of the player base is by having it's big moments be in small chunks strewn across expected narrative tropes. Everytime meta narrative seems in or suprises the player it works because even if the player expects it they are given a good long time to feel comfortable in a story before it strikes just like a good horror movie. Undertale uses good tension and release tactics. The best example of how undertale chunks it's meta moments is fun values themselves. You are not guarenteed to see the same events play out every time you play, even if a large majority of it is the same. If everything we know about undertale now was found they way toby fox intended if people didn't data mine. The there would be a lot more suprises than we have now. It's kind of like how game cube games never run out of glitches and exploits to learn. I think toby may have intended undertale to be timeless in a similar way. So many complex things going on in the code you could never know everything it has to offer in one life time. This is also similar to playing the first legend of zelda when it debuted. There was a lot of converations about discoveries players made and a lot of urban legends from misinformation of such discoveries.

5:25 undertale and deltarune often have 4th wall breaks and neither plot is reliant on the existence or non existence of such a barrier at least not that I've seen. I don't think the suspension of disbelief is lost on this barrier being broken. But rather once broken it opens a can of worms big can. If characters know their in a game there now has to be distinction of who, why, and how that happened, that can make for a good story in itself. It might even be the plot of deltarune right now based on how kris acts. But the can of worms also becomes how diagetically it makes sense for characters to to have or lack information. A key theme of almost all undertale and deltarune theories. If the existence of deliberate 4th wall breaks exist that are experienced by more than the player then characters that perform those 4th wall breaks become more interesting and if done poorly a lot of the mystery vanishes. Not exactly like dream theory fnaf levels but more so like star wars sequel trilogy ignoring the established system of rules in place for reality. In undertale we get many characters who are aware of the 4th wall and while these characters are never direct in expressing it it's decently obvious. Characters like sans who looks more at the screen than 80% of characters and is always coy when it comes to teasing the amount of awareness and knowledge he has. Flowey is painfully aware of the time loop in undertale even controlling it at one point even to the point he becomes nihilistic and apathetic about consequences. He rarely openly mentions anything that could be 4th wall breaking to my knowledge but he definitely is aware of being in the game since he's our tutorial for battles and info dump for quests like getting true pacifist. But he always talks about these things in a strained way as to hint or decieve rather than openly express. In deltarune there's a great video by spooky dude about ralsei having such knowledge in his video "Gaster want our memories". Kris poentially has 4th wall knowledge. Sans reappears seemingly knowing just as much as before and saying just as little too. Also deltarune might itself be 4th wall breaking with how much games as a concept are a motif. There's also potentially gaster who is always on the outside. He might even embody this idea of 4th wall breaks based on how he's the teaser for deltarune's launch and common candidate for the narrator in goner maker at the begining since it's obviously not in any in game location.

I swear if another Deltarune character turns out to be a fag…

I feel the gaster image being an ocean feels on riff with him being scattered across time and space or around the whole world

random fun fact: i took the idea of chara being a main character, and the idea of kris being frisk's deltarune counterpart and made a vessel secret boss called "arch", based on how kris is a anagram of frisk without the f, so i removed an A, it was meant to be us, the main character, but it got discarted, if anyone wants to expandon this concept, talk to me, i guess

Both of your videos have been so fun to watch! I can't wait to see what you do next

i saw this video in my recommended, watched all of jaru’s theories, came back two weeks later slightly frustrated at the video and completely vindicated by this video. i agree with everything you said, especially about ddlc. it frustrated me so much when he said ppl don’t like the narrative because that’s not true and it’s one of the best parts along with monika being above it all. ddlc only works so well because you are so in love with everyone else. monika herself acknowledges that you cared about everyone else when she tried to make you not. idk if he just hasn’t played it or just didn’t get it but ddlc was so much better than he portrayed it (still love jaru tho)

what years without a deltarune chapter does to mf

this video deserves so much more attention it’s amazing

At a point i forgot this was a video about jaru cause of its shift in focus lol

I keep rewatching all your videos, they’re so beautiful

But why does frisk not react to us controlling them

Me losing my mind hearing thr vessel being at the bottom of the ocean and thinking about what Onion-San said. ... Clearly Onion-san is behind it all.

Undertale and deltarune are both anagrams for UNRELATED and the main character is adopted in both games

transmasc Kris reading…how I adore you…

Your videos are such a breath of fresh air in this community. Thank you!

the Socrates petplay goes crazy

wow. that. awful sound. right. off the bat. WHY. ugh

Call me vulture as you please, just means I’m your peer as a scavenger.

28:24 as someone with OCD, it's concerning how closely that mirrors one of my own experiences with it. I hope you're not still struggling, and if you are, I hope you can get help for that