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Those who don't believe in Eternal Security will go through life believing in a Doctrine of Unsurety hoping they make it to Heaven.

Most heresy is a result of failure to rightly divide scripture. Salvation is a free gift. Discipleship requires work!

Conditional security is one of the biggest lies the Devil ever told. The only condition is believing on Jesus alone for your salvation.

Absolutely correct

I pastored a church that was near death. They had lost their building and pastor. It had gotten as low as 10 people. I taught the people how to be a disciple and make disciples. We started praying and it was amazing who came once we decided to carry out the great commission. eventually those people were able to but 20 acres and build their first building. We did away with everything that was not focused on Matthew 28:19, 20. The people had been so busy with programs in an effort to attract people that they were not going and nobody had taught them. One day after a prayer meeting we stood around and talked about what God had done and what he was doing. As we talked we were in awe and realized it was what God did and not us. I would suggest the key to a church turning around is humility and being willing to "go" the people. There are many ideas but few who will engage people with boldness and confidence in God.

Easy no, salvation cannot be lost. Visit Standing For Truth @StandingForTruthMinistries to see biblically sound exegesis applied to all the typical verses brought up from the conditional security side

The new birth cannot be undone period

Can someone actually lose their salvation? Can they lose what God has given them? How about the warning scriptures? The answer is NO! You cannot lose your salvation! How could you be sealed by the Holy Spirit only to lose it? You will NEVER perish. You can lose your eternal rewards by living in sin. But you will remain saved.

IF SALVATION IS CONDITIONAL THEN BY GOD'S STANDARD OF PERFECTION ALL ARE LOST.

The perfect church on Earth does not exist and you cannot make the perfect church. If you can prove me wrong and find this church DO NOT JOIN IT!!! If you do you will spoil it.

The root cause is young people are not as religious as they used to be. They also don’t become religious as they age as in past years. Churches are competing with each other for a smaller market share and that market is shrinking fast as older parishioners die off or de-convert as well. It’s called the rise of the “nones” (those without religious affiliation). Surveys show this is the fastest growing part of the population. Easy access to information means young people can learn about non religious worldviews and religion stops making sense to them. Religion no longer looks like truth. Too many logical flaws, inconsistencies, hypocrisy, etc. compared to non religious views that follow logic. If you’re part of a dying church it maybe time to re-evaluate your views as well. Do the sermons make sense in a scientific world? Do the morals preached actually benefit humanity in the whole. Do they cause distress to minorities in your communities? Does your church promote corrupt politicians? The young and more and more older people see these views as hateful and hypocritical. Churches, especially the more conservative ones, are now seen as corrupt, and younger people want nothing to do with them. No amount of out reach is going to attract younger people to an entity that they see as corrupt and preaching a hateful ideology, no matter how you try to sugar coat it by telling them love the sinner hate the sin.

I grew up in the church, and I realized at about age 10 that the Bible was just a book of stories, and most of my friends felt the same way. By my mid teens, I figured out that 20-30% of our parishioners were non-believers but were stuck there for whatever reason. I mentioned this to my dad one day, and he thought that the number was higher. My dad was the pastor. He was fully aware that about one-third of the people that he was preaching to didn't believe a word that he was saying. Their bodies were still in church, but their brains had left long ago.

Read Hebrews again in context about deliberate/willful sin. It's referring to the Hebrews who converted from the law to believing on Jesus, but felt that they still needed to go back to the old sacrificial laws because the blood of Jesus wasn't good enough for forgiveness of sins. It is the sin of non genuine belief, sin of unbelief. Read entire chapter and context.

Written to BELIEVERS (Rom.1:6-7) Romans 6:16 "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to OBEY, you are that one’s slaves whom you OBEY, whether of... 🔥SIN LEADING TO DEATH,🔥 »»»OR««« of 👉OBEDIENCE👈 🎯LEADING TO RIGHTEOUSNESS?"🎯 GREEK - OBEDIENCE ὑπακοή hypakoḗ, hoop-ak-o-ay'; from G5219; attentive hearkening, i.e. (by implication) compliance or submission:-obedience, (make) obedient, obey(-ing). 🔥👉"Therefore do NOT LET SIN👈🔥 reign in your mortal body, that you should OBEY it in its lusts" Romans 6:12 (A PERSONAL CHOICE) *Everyone righteous or wicked dies a physical death, so what is the only other death revealed in the bible?? 🔥☠️ SPIRITUAL DEATH ☠️ 🔥 "But she who >>lives in pleasure<< is ☠️DEAD☠️ 👉while she lives."👈 1 Timothy 5:6 Context of chapter (verses 1-16): *Widows within God's Church* Chapter addressed to: BELIEVERS "To Timothy, a true son in the faith" (v.1:2) How can someone be ALIVE, and yet DEAD at the same time?? IT'S actually very simple, the person is physically alive, but "spiritually dead" because they chose to "practice unrighteousness" or what scripture also calls "walking by the flesh" As we can see the passage is addressing BELIEVERS, so how is it possible for a BELIEVER to revert BACK to spiritually dead? "Therefore, *BRETHREN*, (BELIEVERS) we are debtors-not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. For ***IF*** (CONDITIONAL) you >live according to the FLESH< 🔥»»»YOU WILL DIE;«««🔥 but if {by the Spirit} you >>>put to death the deeds of the BODY <<< you will live." Romans 8:12-13 IF -GREEK ἐάν eán »»»A CONDITIONAL PARTICLE««« in case that, provided, etc.; often used in connection with other particles to denote indefiniteness or uncertainty:-before, but, except, (and) if, (if) so, (what-, whither-)soever, though, when (-soever), whether (or), to whom, (who-)so(-ever). So this is just one example of many in scripture where we see: "he has DENIED THE FAITH and is 👉worse than an unbeliever."👈 1 Timothy 5:8b 🤔 HOW COULD THEY BE *WORSE* THAN AN UNBELIEVER if they were not saved to begin with?? Wouldn't they be THE SAME as an unbeliever?? 🤔 BELIEVERS who become UNBELIEVERS are worse off!! "For it would be better for them 👉not to have known👈 the way of righteousness, 👉than having known it,👈 to turn away..." 2 Peter 2:21 May the TRUTH set us free from lies !! ☝️💕🔥🙏

I had a pastor who told me there are equal verses that seem to suggest we cannot lose salvation and that seem to suggest we can… I said no… there are only verses that tell us that we cannot and the rest are misunderstood.

Yeah 1 Corinthians 15 is referring to the resurrection. Taking scripture out of context will help no one. Paul is talking about the truth of the resurrection, that without the resurrection no one is saved at all.

So maintenance salvation insists that a person can truly believe in Jesus and still go to hell. 🤔 because they did bad things… like the things they did before they were saved when God loved them and gave His Son. 🤔

0:39 Robbie. Stop it. Self control is the fruit of the spirit.

The following is an excerpt of a message given by H.A. Ironside in 1934: Eternal Security: Its Meaning - QUOTE: When we speak of the eternal security of the believer, what do we mean? We mean that once a poor sinner has been regenerated by the Word and the Spirit of God, once he has received a new life and a new nature and has been made partaker of the divine nature, once he has been justified from every charge before the throne of God, it is absolutely impossible that that man should ever again be a lost soul. Having said that, let me say what we do not mean when we speak of the eternal security of the believer. We do not mean that it necessarily follows that if one professes to be saved, if he comes out to the front in a meeting, shakes the preacher's hand, and says he accepts the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior, that that person is eternally safe. It does not mean that if one joins a church or makes a profession of faith, is baptized, becomes a communicant, and takes an interest in Christian work, that that person is forever secure. It does not mean that because one manifests certain gifts and exercises these gifts in Christian testimony, that that person is necessarily eternally secure. Our Lord Jesus Christ said to the people of His day, as recorded in Matthew 7:21-23: "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doth the will of My Father which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? And in Thy name have cast out devils? And in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." Such people then may have been very active in what is called Christian work - they have preached, they have cast out demons, that is, their influence has been such that men and women have found deliverance from satanic power through their ministrations in the name of Jesus, they have professed with their lips, they have accomplished many wonderful works, but they are found in that day among the lost, and when they plead their great activity and their earnestness in Christian testimony, the Lord says to them, "I never knew you." Notice, He does not say to them, "I used to know you, but you have forfeited My favor and I do not know you any longer." He says, "I never knew you." END QUOTE

When asked what I believe about this. I’m always careful of the words I use (and don’t use). And I state it like this…”I believe in the eternal security of the BELIEVER”. This says what the Bible teaches without ignoring all of the “If” statements. Each one of us need to remember a simple rule when we study scripture. CONTEXT MATTERS!, A Text without a Context becomes a Pre-text used to support a Presupposition. Over the centuries many philosophies and presuppositions have been added to the Christian faith that distort/confuse our understanding. The most obvious one, is that by looking at the most simple definition of a word, like “Faith” or “Love” is all that scripture ever means by it.

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭19‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9‬:‭12‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Not sure why you are using the NLT. That's one of the poorest translation and not suitable for Bible study. In 1 cor 15:2, It's only the NLT that translated with the "continue" which makes it very deceptive. It's not a continue process as the NLT claims to be, it's a yes or no question. Other translation will say hold firm (aka trust in the gospel) or not. Summary; you cannot lose your salvation if "yes," you hold firm to the gospel.

I left the church many years ago after 30 years of being a Christian. Iam no longer a Christian

Would have been nice to hear some thoughts on John 3:1-21. In my humble opinion, if you’re truly “reborn”, your faith has been perfected and your place in heaven assured. It doesn’t mean you’ll be perfect the rest of your life, though (Romans 7). I also think someone who’s reborn isn’t going to be committing major sins. There’s absolutely a hierarchy in the degree of sin and that’s worth thinking about too.

I believe the two views are actually the “unconditional eternal security “ view and the “Conditional Eternal Security “ view.

Luke 7:50 And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Romans 10:9 Verse Concepts that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 1 John 5:4 Verse Concepts For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Romans 11:20 Verse Concepts Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; Romans 11:23 Verse Concepts And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. John 3:15 Verse Concepts so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. John 3:16 Verse Concepts “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:36 Verse Concepts He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 5:24 Verse Concepts “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 6:40 Verse Concepts For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” John 1:12 Verse Concepts But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, John 20:31 Verse Concepts but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. Acts 10:43 Verse Concepts Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” Hebrews 4:3 Verse Concepts For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. Matthew 9:2 Verse Concepts And they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralytic, “Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven.” Mark 2:5 Verse Concepts And Jesus seeing their faith *said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Luke 5:20 Verse Concepts Seeing their faith, He said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven you.” John 3:18 Verse Concepts He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Acts 13:39 Verse Concepts and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 Verse Concepts But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. 1 Timothy 4:10 Verse Concepts For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. 1 Peter 1:9 Verse Concepts obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls. John 8:24 Verse Concepts Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” Luke 8:12 Verse Concepts Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. Romans 9:32 Verse Concepts Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, Romans 4:14 Verse Concepts For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; Source: bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Saved-By-Faith

Thanks, it broth a perspective that it makes it clear of the options

Galatians 5:4-7 [4]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. [5]For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. [6]For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. [7]Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? Here we have a clear example of a group of people that had been saved by the grace of God that had fallen from grace and were no longer saved. They needed to repent of their sins to be saved again.

conditional adds works.

Romans 8 is OSAS.

Well done. Thank you. I find myself leaning toward infallibility. Otherwise, it seems that God created a lie or a deception. To create a world with the appearance of extreme age yet require that we believe it to be young makes me feel as though I'm living on a soap bubble, waiting for it to pop. It seems logical that men would express the inspired word from God in the context of a world as they understood it.

There is no indication that Jesus' name had to interact with the man's faith. He wanted money and didn't expect healing. Peter seized him and said it, there was no 'if you believe'.

Incredible advice!

I work in youth ministry in a dying church. Worst thing is feeling alone in middle of all this. Backsliding is extreme in church of Finland. This summer I was demanded to teach about polyamory and other creepy things at confirmation camp. Don´t know how long I can work here. It´s very hard to be agent of change. If miracle happens and someone is saved, there´s no place for them. No bible groups, or anything where I could lead them to.

This was an awesome message and teaching 🙏🏽 thank you for sharing

Left my old church. The music people got "staritis" and are the focus while the congregation is shrouded in darkness. Pitiful road show version of a wannabe megachurch. Pastor left.

Since both camps acknowledge the existence of apostasy, it comes down to a dispute about categories. If apostates were not of the elect, their falling away doesn’t negate the promise of salvation to believers. So pointing to apostates themselves doesn’t negate the eternal security position. Will is an underlying issue. Was there something about Peter’s betrayal that was less sinful for more meriting of forgiveness that Judas? What enabled Peter to repent and believe if not Christ?

Learn the Parable of the Seed Sower to know the answer. Lastly, you can only be born again 'ONCE!" not over and over

"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually through time to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth. This truth will free you to seek for the Living God in the Spirit and to truly KNOW GOD instead of just knowing ABOUT HIM. The GOSPEL is NOT written with ink, nor on tablets of stone, but on our hearts by the Spirit of the Living God. The gentiles who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, then they are a law unto themselves. Under the New Covenant we are to be led by the Holy Spirit, not the bible. I was searching for truth when Jesus told me, "The bible is an idol" which completely changed my direction. After that I only sought for Him in the Spirit and He has taught me many things on life's journey. The most important of which is that He died so we could be regenerated by the Holy Spirit into sons and daughters of God. The gospel is simple, repent from living after the flesh, ask Jesus to fill you with the Holy Spirit and then be led and controlled by Him through the Spirit. The bible is only history and has absolutely no authority from God to control us, the outward law was under the old covenant. Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of the written law because we were unable to keep it. Have a great journey through life with the Living Christ guiding you. When Jesus words are written down and Satan is using them, then the bible becomes the word of Satan. Constantine (1st) beast compiled 50 bibles, legalized Christianity and set up the false prophet (pope). King James (2nd) beast, born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized a bible in 1611 that now has 66 books to control people with, an image of God's word they make to speak (the bible says). By having faith in the bible which has been made into an idol, they break the new covenant of having faith in the Living Christ through the Holy Spirit, who is the true word of God. THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST Ask Jesus -Yeshua for the Holy Spirit. Link To Blog Site Book: Book 1 THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST bibleismarkofbeast.blogspot.co... BOOK 2 THE BIBLE IS AN IDOL bibleismarkofbeast.blogspot.co... TH-cam Channel: th-cam.com/users/BIBLEisMARKofBEASTvideos 🕊💖

“You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make your free" “Notable quotes": *WHEN A WELL PACKAGED WEB OF LIES HAS BEEN SOLD GRADUALLY TO THE MASSES OVER GENERATIONS, THE TRUTH WILL SEEM UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS AND IT’S SPEAKER A RAVING LUNATIC. *A speaker of truth has no friends. *No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth. *It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. This truth will free you to seek for the Living God in the Spirit and to truly KNOW GOD instead of just knowing ABOUT HIM. The GOSPEL is NOT written with ink, nor on tablets of stone, but on our hearts by the Spirit of the Living God. (2 Corinthians 3:3) The gentiles who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, then they are a law unto themselves. Under the New Covenant we are to be led by the Holy Spirit, not the bible. I was searching for truth when Jesus told me, "The bible is an idol" which completely changed my direction. After that I only sought for Him in the Spirit and He has taught me many things on life's journey. The most important of which is that He died so we could be regenerated by the Holy Spirit into sons and daughters of God. The gospel is simple, repent from living after the flesh, ask Jesus to fill you with the Holy Spirit and then be led and controlled by Him through the Spirit. The bible is only history and has absolutely no authority from God to control us, the outward law was under the old covenant. Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of the written law because we were unable to keep it. Have a great journey through life with the Living Christ guiding you. When Jesus words are written down and Satan is using them, then the bible becomes the word of Satan. Constantine (1st) beast compiled 50 bibles, legalized Christianity and set up the false prophet (pope). King James (2nd) beast, born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized a bible in 1611 that now has 66 books to control people with, an image of God's word they make to speak (the bible says). By having faith in the bible which has been made into an idol, they break the new covenant of having faith in the Living Christ through the Holy Spirit, who is the true word of God. THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST Ask Jesus -Yeshua for the Holy Spirit. Link To Blog Site Book: Book 1 THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST bibleismarkofbeast.blogspot.co... BOOK 2 THE BIBLE IS AN IDOL bibleismarkofbeast.blogspot.co... TH-cam Channel: th-cam.com/users/BIBLEisMARKofBEASTvideos •🕊💖•

I’m of the “conditional camp” believers. Paul is always speaking to believers in his letters to the seven churches. He takes for granted that they believe already and gives them further instruction for sanctification and holding dearly to what they have. Some of his last words were expressing how he had kept the faith and fought the good fight! Why would Peter tell us that we should strive to make or calling and election sure, if all it takes is to just believe one time and then go on your merry way, not even giving a second thought to the commitment you had made. I can vouch for one thing…You won’t find any nonbelievers in heaven. Especially those that turn to other gods… No Baal worshipers in heaven either. It’s up to us whether we believe or not… But He is always there and willing to take you back if you return in repentance and humility and sincerity. I speak from the voice of experience. I returned to my Hebrew roots from birth because of all the debating and different views of Christ and Christianity, which I had fallen in love with. I soon realized how much I needed Yeshua in my life, and as soon as I turned to Him, I realized He was already there, waiting for me. Thanks be to God for such an experience! 🙌🏻 I’m His forever! 🙏🏻

Great presentation! I love seeing scripture and data back up someone’s message.

Eternal security is a protestant teaching

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That was a great presentation. I believe that it IS possible to lose one's salvation. The reasoning that if someone falls away, then they were never saved in the first place is circular reasoning and I know that isn't true from personally experience. I do believe in conditional security. There are just too many verses and stories in the bible that bear witness to it along with my heart and common sense. But I could be wrong.

Just imagine .... God died a horrible death, shed his perfect Holy Blood for the salvation of the whole world... In fact the entire cosmos.... That's how precious his blood is. When we believe, we are SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.... Sounds like Eternal security to me. Weak and unstable man cannot be entrusted with the work of Eternal salvation, in fact he cannot even be trusted to choose right, to simply believe. That's why I even tend to believe that God sovereignly elected a remnant before the foundation of the world according to his wisdom and council. These are definitely eternally secure.... Sin or no sin. The difference is going to be in the Eternal rewards and the position one will serve in, in Eternity. Will you serve as a King or a fruit picker in Jesus' orchards...🌹

WRONG. The eternal security view does not hold to the statement you said last. "a person's security is conditional upon their continued commitment to cooperating with Christ." In that statement you just made both views say the same thing. Our eternal security once we are saved by the correct gospel Jesus gave to Paul for us to be saved by today is not based sin on our life, (b/c we all sin) whether habitual or accidental if there is such a thing. It's not uncommon for people NOT to rightly divide God's word. When people don't rightly divide as God commands us to in II Tim 2:15 they will, as done in the "you can lose your salvation" teaching, wrongly divide God's word. Meaning people will take verses from anywhere in the bible and think they were directed to believers today the body of Christ. That would be mistake. About 94% of the bible is written to and about ISRAEL. ALL the bible is FOR us but not ALL the bible is TO and ABOUT us today. Rightly dividing the word _ Dr. Paul Felter th-cam.com/video/cQi23DDwVxs/w-d-xo.html

Praise God a child of God can NEVER lose their salvation 💯

That was really helpful! Thank you so much

If we are saved that means that the HOLY SPIRIT lives in us now... so if we where to LOSE salvation, whose fault is it? Ours? But didn't Jesus promised us that we would have God the Holy Spirit, who would guide us to all truth and justice?? This, would make Jesus (God the son) a liar... BUT if the fault is the Holy Spirit's for not "HELPING" us be Christlike, wouldn't that make the Holy Spirit inadequate for our sanctification, making God (The Father) a liar?? So you see, the argument is not if you CAN or CAN'T lose your salvation (Because you CAN'T), the argument is if you where REALLY BORN AGAIN. God Bless.