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I don't have the box anymore. I returned it to the manufacturer.

Steelhead has a deal going where you can get a free cable with your purchase. See the details in the description above.

I've thought about it, though I am reluctant to pursue the idea. The kinds of features gun owners have become accustomed to, and expect, are often the very features I would avoid incorporating into a design of my own. I might invest a lot of resources in starting a new business only to find that I cannot persuade the target market.

The handgun safes I recommend are in my playlist of approved safes.

I haven't looked at a Vaultek product in a long time. I was the first to hack their flagship models in 2016, and I tested them for several years after that. I would like to forget about those things.

@ thanks for the info!

I think you're way off base. As I discussed in a previous video, universities in China are generating more graduates in STEM subjects than any other nation in the world, by the millions. China is far, far outpacing all other nations. These are not the best university programs, but China's growing work force has been adequate to maintain China's status as the world's manufacturing resource. I do not for one moment believe westerners can trust data on births and deaths coming from China. The CCP controls all information released to the west. If you wish to believe there are "experts" in the U.S. who have accurate data, you are free to believe that. I suggest you gauge China's strengths and capabilities by their actions, the number of STEM subject graduates, the steady expansion of the Belt and Road Initiative, the size of China's military, etc. China is in no danger of collapse.

@@HandgunSafe Just go to wikipedia, type in China demographics and look how top heavy their population is. That isn't an opinion. Their population is old and not getting younger. Their "One Child" policy is now catching up. Just do a cursory search. They are also over counting their female population.

There are FUDDs, but there are also Yosemite SAMs (Second Amendment More Ons). Hard to find someone like HgS who shows common sense these days.

I like the V-Line Brute, too. My top choice is probably the Steelhead Fast-Access boxes (large and small), followed by the Brute, then the Viking pistol box with Simplex lock (it has an LED inside). But don't let me complicate your decision. 🤔

@@HandgunSafe If I may ask, what leads you to prefer the Steelhead to the Vline? They appear to me to be equivalent in any respect I can think of. I was probably going to buy whichever was marginally cheaper.

@@pauljenkins6877 Price is a perfectly good consideration. My preference has to do with the dimensions and the slightly more compact design of the Steelhead. Also, I don't really like the gas struts that come on top-opening pistol boxes. Sometimes you get a good strut that won't impede your attempt to open the box and that will catch the lid before it drops. But sometimes you get a strut that fights you opening the box and lets the lid drop, so that you smash your finger.

I'm just cutting and pasting responses at this point: The 5-button Simplex lock allows for a total of 2,162 possible combinations. For an understanding of the mathematics, see my video, “How Many Combinations Are Possible With a Simplex Lock?" The math in that video is simple enough for a middle school student to replicate.

@@HandgunSafe Sure, but if the button bypass method works, you don't need to go nowhere near that number to get it open. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. th-cam.com/video/-o_l69ZoKgs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bZT9Opwc9yKtIXsd&t=44

@@thearousedeunuch The lock in that video is a different kind of lock. That is not a 5-button Simplex lock. The bypass attack shown in that video will not work on a 5-button Simplex lock.

I only have one cable that goes with another Steelhead box. The cable in the video came with that box, and I've returned it. So I don't have a Steelhead cable to sacrifice at the moment. I might do that in the future, if I feel like getting another cable.

Are you in South Africa? If you are, or if you know somebody living there, maybe we can arrange something. Contact me by email. You can find my email on the "About" page of my channel.

​@@HandgunSafe I will send you pictures so you understand what I mean by "they only vary in size." Basically, I assume the quality of the safes only varies at the level of welds and paint. The government industrial designers specified everything. I have only ever seen pictures of the rifle safes, so they might use thicker steel. Bottom line, I'll try to send you a small safe, but whatever you can glean from it will apply to at least anything you would call a "handgun safe." The same lock boxes are required for storing guns in a vehicle as well. I'm very curious what you think of their quality. I will explain more in email, but there are many important reasons why SA has the gun regulations they do. Safe storage rules serve many functions in SA society and tie in with other gun regulations.

I'll talk with Steelhead Outdoors about that.

@@HandgunSafethanks and looking forward the good news. I have my eyes in this brand from the other (larger version) you have approved. Any discounts would help :)

@@HandgunSafeany update? Or a potential Black Friday sale?

Thanks! It has gotten so little response I thought the gag must have fallen flat. Happy Halloween!

I will write to them and see if they would be willing to donate a small safe for review. The Agile Model 14 might be a good fit for the channel.

@@HandgunSafe Thank you. Or have a look at the their Fast Box 20. Your channel is really eye-opening

I second this idea

So I talked with Secureit. They are sending a new version of the Model 20. I will evaluate it, record a video, then hold off posting the video until Secureit has the products ready to ship. This will be sometime in mid November, plenty of time for holiday shopping this year.

​@@HandgunSafeSomething to look forward to. Thank you for doing that.

The 5-button Simplex lock allows for a total of 2,162 possible combinations. For an understanding of the mathematics, see my video, “How Many Combinations Are Possible With a Simplex Lock?" The math in that video is simple enough for a middle school student to replicate.

You are assuming that users are restricted to two input steps; and that every combinations step is restricted to only two states when the last definitely has three (though that bit feels like it may be emergent from the way that the buttons arrest the gears tra-- _Wait a minute!_ -Has- Do any of the buttons(/gears) work as a modifier/"shift" key? Before switching over to electronic-access control; There were many secure doors around [intl. airport] that maintenance frequently had to disassemble/reset that certain officers/supervisors habitually kept moderate pressure/tension on some buttons while programming the combination. I'd assumed it was because they were exhausted and indexing their key-presses (by feel), but now that I vaguely know how these work...

@@LynxSnowCat I don't know who you're responding to, but the lock allows for 2,162 combinations. That's it. If you're responding to the other guy, I think I understand what you're trying to get at but he might be confused. He would probably be better off just looking at my video. But thank you for trying to broaden his thinking. 😊

​@@LynxSnowCat Yeas, I see my mistake now. And I never knew about half-press. Still, 2186 combinations seriously limit the usability.

The 2162 combinations is probably enough if one's use case is to lock the gun up in the car while running into the post office or other prohibited zone for a brief errand. For in the home where kids have access for long periods of time, for that use case I would want more than just 2162 possibilities.

I like Viking Safe products. If I've endorsed a product on my recommendations list (see playlists), then I endorse the safe.

You may have a point. Unfortunately, as I explained in my previous video, the Chinese manufacturers who design and produce most of these devices don't know what they're doing. They don't own guns or live in compliance with gun laws or have a clear idea of how these devices might be used. Industry is a mess.

All hackers aren't thieves. I don't know any hacker who would promote the idea of security through obscurity. In one of my latest videos, about the e-stash handgun safe, I address this issue.

@@HandgunSafe omigosh. I left an important word out, whether thru my own error, or one of the bugs in the virtual keyboard I use! Very sorry, as it changes the whole meaning. I meant to say, "How do you address those who claim you...are HELPING thieves...", not "are thieves". Whoo boy what a blunder. I meant how people say that showing how to defeat a lock is making it easier for the criminals.

@@danielgoodman3578 How can I be helping thieves when I am not responsible for the design defects that allow these devices to be opened so easily? I am not the one providing easy access to handgun safes. I am doing nothing more than showing what manufacturers either fail or refuse to share with customers, who have a right to make an informed decision as to whether to buy a handgun safe.

@@HandgunSafe Thank you

Honestly, any security products like locks, safes, and even ones in the digital realm should have people who are very good at breaking into them try it out before it even hits the market. Then we wouldn't even need these kinds of videos.

The effort has more to do with learning to talk the talk, with suggesting and hinting that one has military or law-enforcement background one doesn't have. The line between Mr. Tactical and a full-blown military/law-enforcement fake is blurry. It shouldn't be.

I don’t think he was trying to be demeaning so much as noting that a person spends a lot of time and money on preparing for extremely low probability events, while at the same time tries to argue against the testing of a gun safe designed to mitigate a low probability event. I may be wrong though. Cheers!

FYI the original Dunning-Kruger paper found that people are fairly accurate at assessing their own ability

I'm hoping former military personnel who catch wind of this video get the tone. I mean no disrespect to them. I'm offended by what has happened to gun culture.

I evaluated and dismissed this product years ago. You can find the video if you scroll down my uploads. But I'm glad you posted your concern. The product is till selling, and I should probably revisit the thing and do another video.

Please see my video, in playlists, on how to use the Simplex lock. Never try playing expert with an expert. If you want to keep doing that, I'll just hide you as a user.

@@HandgunSafe I offer my sincere apologies and will not further post in your threads. Best wishes.

Interesting. I can see that installing and reinstalling a spline key repeatedly can result in the key not seating very firmly, but I think removing it once or twice won't hurt. The spline key is made of slightly harder metal than the spindle, which is brass, so the wear is happening to the spindle. As for the direction of the flag at the end, I followed the manufacturer's instructions. The designer of Big Red locks designed the locks to standards and drafted the instructions. I think he's a better authority on how to install these.

​@@HandgunSafe Thanks for the informative reply. I over-generalized (my apologies); the S&G 6730 instructions say (and show) flag out and assumed that was the same on Big Red. The spline key on S&G is brass; I believe that Big Red supplies stainless (?) so it is harder, and I have read that Big Red supplies two. Once again, the "use once only" is an S&G recommendation, perhaps not for Big Red. I always push the spline key in finger tight to I can remove it wihtout tools until the testing is done. I agree 100% with you on the manfuacturer instructions. Big Red seems to go a bit further than S&G on niceties like including a thread cleanup tool. "Read this site in Chinese" on website - interesting clue that this is Chicom merchandise. I assume you made the dial alignment "mistake" for theatrical purposes, and doubt you really would have made that goof in on install. I had the identical issue on an electronic=>6730 conversion, but resolved it dremmeling a vertical notch in the screw hole on the dial instead of tapping new holes in the safe (with my luck, the tap would break off). I wonder about the current viability of Big Red since it appears they have not updated their website in years. MIssing image on home page unaddressed for ages? Amateur hour. " Overall a very nicely done video.

@@robertboudrie2234 Okay, I just followed up with the owner. He's still in business! The IT guy has closed up shop, and this is making it hard for the owner to get passwords for site maintenance, etc. If you want to find Big Red locks, try MBA USA, Inc.

I seriously doubt they're having much trouble with these locks. Technicians, who are often locksmiths who have expanded their services by getting certification to service specific brands, are partial to the brands they sell. Big Red locks are solid, and you can get them with four number combinations and manipulation-prevention technology built into them.

@@HandgunSafe man I really want to believe you because they look good Have you encountered any issues with your lock? How long have you owned it, and have you experienced any problems?. the negative feedback surrounding these locks It seems like some people might prefer to stick with what they know, while I’ve seen multiple individuals in a Facebook group who have extensive locksmith experience mention that these locks might be less reliable and are a cheaper off-brand Chinese version of Sargent & Greenleaf. They suggested that you often get what you pay for. I’m unsure who to believe. I’m trying to gather more information, but it’s challenging to sift through varying opinions from industry veterans. I don’t want to risk getting locked out of my safe, so I’d appreciate any insights you have. If you have any additional details or resources, that would be really helpful! And also, they said it wouldn’t fit on my safe that used to have a s&g r674 they said this about the big red group 2 lock I wanted to get the four wheel or three wheel one but they said this……. Big Red is made for a direct replacement of Mosler. If you don't have a Mosler, stick with S&G 👍 So I can’t use it even if I wanted too

@@HandgunSafe how long have you had your lock for and have you had any issues and have you heard any issues about them and I was also told I wouldn’t be able to use it because of this Big Red is made for a direct replacement of Mosler. If you don't have a Mosler, stick with S&G 👍 I had a s&g r6714 group 2 lock can I not replace it with the big red four wheel version?

@@HandgunSafe is there a workaround