She is great, but not enlightened. She was still at the intermediate stages of the Path, slightly below Gurdjieff himself, who also was not enlightened.
Gurdjieff was the most enlightened being we've seen as a society for over 200 years. He may be the most evolve/"highest" of any prophet/messenger for 1000 years.
"I am here. I have a body. My body-is my body taken by all the conversation we have? My body is here. My mind is here. And my feeling is here. Are there other energies or not? I must know. One must know. One is made out of how many energies? I see that when these energies are related, more together, I am open to a new vision, to a new intelligence which I was not open to before, and which gives me a feeling of-freedom, which I never knew before. The relation between these energies gives me a freedom. It is another energy which usually in my life I cannot have if I don't feel that. This relation is very necessary. Because this relation makes appear a new energy which human beings can have-which they are made of-to have this energy. That is what Mr. Gurdjieff wished to show his pupils."
@@MrDhunna8 My guess is that she refers to the "pull" of all bodily sensations for which we are tied to physical nature. She asks right after: "is my body taken by..." - does it makes sense to you?
@@guillermosolisz maybe what I understood from this is that while she is talking, she is saying that whether her body sensations are fully involved or not in the process. Is this what she means by this?
if she wrote down absent interjection I am sure it contains a great deal. Whether you or anyone else likes it jeanne was told in front of a room jammed with others that she was the "diable who would destroy my life's work" GI gurdjieff '47. I asked dushka howarth, G's daughter, in the early oughts if this was accurate and she replied it was as she was present. She refused to answer whether Jeanne ever spoke of this and how on the basis of this warning she took over the operation of the work. My memories of her interactions with Clive in the late70s right before his death are a matter of bitterness to me.
@@dbuck1964 suspect diffrence between us is I actually know what I am talking about as I was married to one of G's pupils who knew her for years at the Prieure would you care to know what Mr. G said publicly about her ?
Jeanne Salzmann was her married name from her husband's family name: Alexander Salzmann (no particle) as he did not descent from nobility. Her maiden name was Jeanne Matignon. What did it mean to her adding the particle "de"?
I know that the husband's family name was in origin 'von Salzmann', later, as with all aristocrats of german origin, when French had become court language in Tsarist Russia, changed into 'de Salzmann'.
@@eminkuliev2466 Oh fcuk, did I use the word 'attention'?(huge mistake) which brings me to the diamond question ( and you either understand what a diamond question is or yo don't), What is attention? How to remain attentive and awake*in-front-of* that question? I don't want to limit anything or know-*All*-about- that, so that -is-the-end-of-that-once-and-for-all of that mystery and diamond question what is attention? I certainly don't want to appear to know-*All*-about-that or , so that-is-the-end-of*that*, what it means to work because I don't. For the writer the question is "Can I*Remain"? Not to kill that question or turn it into the corpse of a question or an answer or -I-know-*All*-about that. *Can* something remain awake and in attentive*in-front-of* that question*without* * turning that question into the rotting corpse of a question(which*It* would do given half a chance), answer or that-is-the-end-of-that once-and-for-all that some It can bank; the life is in the searching not the finding.. " What is attention? *There** open the gates of Heaven. Attention is...., and *There* the gates of Hell.(you know that Chan story) *Can*(is it possible) I speak of*My* attention?.. Can*(is it possible) I *Remain? A man can search all his life for that diamond question. There is some much in that little Chan story " searching for the Ox which the writer remembers as searching for the bull I'm glad to say I-*don't_know*- *All*- about attention. I(instinctively)tried to keep as far away- and hide from, Madame(because she scared the living shit out of me), but she was was always banging on about *Remaining* (but then she was always banging on about *some*_thing something), and only now sixty plus years(and so many deaths) later at what is the very end of my life does that have any meaning for me. All the time I am being fed question after question, but then this is the way of questioning is it not? "Ekh, Brother! Here on the Earth if you speak the truth you’re a great fool, whereas if you wriggle with your soul you are only a “scoundrel,” though also a big one. So it is best of all to do nothing, but just recline on your divan and learn to sing like the sparrow that had not yet turned into an American canary." pip pip
you've never experienced higher spiritual energies or subtle bodies so she baffles you. you think this was all just learning mindfulness. you don't know what he taught his more advanced pupils.
She look like a witch from suspiria
Freedon
Gurdjieff imortal
Obviously not; nothing is immortal, not even god.
What condition would you have to be able to satisfy before you could say that anyone or anything was immortal?
Thank you Madam, we love you.
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She is great, but not enlightened. She was still at the intermediate stages of the Path, slightly below Gurdjieff himself, who also was not enlightened.
What makes it possible to identify an enlightened person?
@@perplexedmoth if you too are enlightened.
@@perplexedmoth then the type of legacy you TRULY left. Finally what you can really DO.
Gurdjieff was the most enlightened being we've seen as a society for over 200 years. He may be the most evolve/"highest" of any prophet/messenger for 1000 years.
@@CirrowProductions he wasn't; but he knew A LOT. For what you speak, research here WELL www.gustavorol.org
"I am here. I have a body. My body-is my body taken by all the conversation we have? My body is here. My mind is here. And my feeling is here. Are there other energies or not? I must know. One must know. One is made out of how many energies? I see that when these energies are related, more together, I am open to a new vision, to a new intelligence which I was not open to before, and which gives me a feeling of-freedom, which I never knew before. The relation between these energies gives me a freedom. It is another energy which usually in my life I cannot have if I don't feel that. This relation is very necessary. Because this relation makes appear a new energy which human beings can have-which they are made of-to have this energy. That is what Mr. Gurdjieff wished to show his pupils."
I am thinking it might be "I am here", "Avid body" she is saying- and not "I have a body"...she often used the term "avid".
@@zoostat33 makes perfect sense! let me edit.
What's meaning of 'avid body' here?
@@MrDhunna8 My guess is that she refers to the "pull" of all bodily sensations for which we are tied to physical nature. She asks right after: "is my body taken by..." - does it makes sense to you?
@@guillermosolisz maybe what I understood from this is that while she is talking, she is saying that whether her body sensations are fully involved or not in the process. Is this what she means by this?
This lady was middle age at the time of the Russian revolution and here she's on camera! Amazing.
nice to see Madame de Salzmann in a video, tyvm :)
More videos please
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Just read the book "The Reality of Being: The Fourth Way of Gurdjieff" which is based on notebooks Jeanne De Salzmann kept. It' s a treasure.
yes
Yes it is.
selfdefinition.org/gurdjieff/Jeanne-de-Salzmann-The-Reality-of-Being-(OCR).pdf
if she wrote down absent interjection I am sure it contains a great deal. Whether you or anyone else likes it jeanne was told in front of a room jammed with others that she was the "diable who would destroy my life's work" GI gurdjieff '47. I asked dushka howarth, G's daughter, in the early oughts if this was accurate and she replied it was as she was present. She refused to answer whether Jeanne ever spoke of this and how on the basis of this warning she took over the operation of the work. My memories of her interactions with Clive in the late70s right before his death are a matter of bitterness to me.
@@donnasherwood283please continue to elaborate, it’s very interesting
Can someone tell me what she says at the end:” but mr. Gurdjieff...we should show...
"But what Monsieur Gurdjieff must we should to show these pupils?"
Hazenactor thanks but doesn’t make sense, does it?
"That's what Mr. Gurdjieff wished to show his pupils"
kkk0383 thanks 🙏🏼
@@FinancialModelDetective : Man ham mesl shoma , kamelan motewajeh nashodam.
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Donna Sherwood Why do you see her that way?
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@@dbuck1964 suspect diffrence between us is I actually know what I am talking about as I was married to one of G's pupils who knew her for years at the Prieure would you care to know what Mr. G said publicly about her ?
Donna Sherwood yes, please share what mr G said about her . Thanks
If 100 here - remarkably well and clear thinking
Jeanne Salzmann was her married name from her husband's family name: Alexander Salzmann (no particle) as he did not descent from nobility. Her maiden name was Jeanne Matignon. What did it mean to her adding the particle "de"?
I know that the husband's family name was in origin 'von Salzmann', later, as with all aristocrats of german origin, when French had become court language in Tsarist Russia, changed into 'de Salzmann'.
maiden name was "Allemand", at least it is written on her grave in Geneva. Same was with "von Hartmann" changed into "de Hartmann". (Russlanddeutsche)
Does it? matter? To ask that question is to answer it, but if the surface is where you are... no other possibility.
@@vhawk1951kl True that ... attention wanders, however ... surface ... left ... right ... sometimes deeper
@@eminkuliev2466 Oh fcuk, did I use the word 'attention'?(huge mistake) which brings me to the diamond question ( and you either understand what a diamond question is or yo don't), What is attention? How to remain attentive and awake*in-front-of* that question? I don't want to limit anything or know-*All*-about- that, so that -is-the-end-of-that-once-and-for-all of that mystery and diamond question what is attention? I certainly don't want to appear to know-*All*-about-that or , so that-is-the-end-of*that*, what it means to work because I don't. For the writer the question is "Can I*Remain"? Not to kill that question or turn it into the corpse of a question or an answer or -I-know-*All*-about that. *Can* something remain awake and in attentive*in-front-of* that question*without* * turning that question into the rotting corpse of a question(which*It* would do given half a chance), answer or that-is-the-end-of-that once-and-for-all that some It can bank; the life is in the searching not the finding.. " What is attention? *There** open the gates of Heaven. Attention is...., and *There* the gates of Hell.(you know that Chan story) *Can*(is it possible) I speak of*My* attention?.. Can*(is it possible) I *Remain? A man can search all his life for that diamond question. There is some much in that little Chan story " searching for the Ox which the writer remembers as searching for the bull I'm glad to say I-*don't_know*- *All*- about attention. I(instinctively)tried to keep as far away- and hide from, Madame(because she scared the living shit out of me), but she was was always banging on about *Remaining* (but then she was always banging on about *some*_thing something), and only now sixty plus years(and so many deaths) later at what is the very end of my life does that have any meaning for me. All the time I am being fed question after question, but then this is the way of questioning is it not? "Ekh, Brother! Here on the Earth if you speak the truth you’re a great fool, whereas if you wriggle with your soul you are only a “scoundrel,” though also a big one. So it is best of all to do nothing, but just recline on your divan and learn to sing like the sparrow that had not yet turned into an American canary." pip pip
this video is so cool. i feel this... freedom she says it in such a cool way. what a boss.
i didnt quote it right. oh well, still cool a.f.
awesome!
What was Gurdjieff thinking (?) This Woman wasn't competent to lead the Work after Gurdjieff's death . ..
Are you aware that in this interview she is 100 years old?
greenrate he was thinking- one day an idiot named greenrate will piss all over my grave because of things he does not understand.
I trust Mr. Gurdjieff judgement more then yours. :) Be happy, find yourself.
you've never experienced higher spiritual energies or subtle bodies so she baffles you. you think this was all just learning mindfulness. you don't know what he taught his more advanced pupils.
Arbiter That is relatively common point of view by the way
Thank you for posting .
Thank you.
il maestro, che donna! Quanto avrei voluto conoscerla. Bellissimo il suo libro " La realtà dell'essere". Madame Salzmann
cos'altro potrebbe essere fatto invece?
Amazing woman!
Thanx!