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Based on your description of the TSR Code of Ethics (been years so I honestly can’t remember it) in hindsight it sounds like they cribbed the Hayes Code from movies almost word for word 😂

I'm surprised you don't like Mork Borg - thought the punk and metal vibe would be your kinda style! Personally, I love the apocalyptic setting and simple little system. Even better is Pirate Borg, never read a game that inspired me so much on every single page.

I subscribed today just cuz I love your use of F@CK as a nominative article! Lol. You're not doin' it for the money! There really needs to be an open source game. Online, wiki like, complicatible open source game. Complicatible isn't a word strictly speaking, until now. If there were game rules online that could be looked up and/or printed out for the tree hating, and were designed in such a way that they begin with an OSR like game, lotta there's abouts with the dm theater of the mind mechanics to something closer to 3rd ed/3.5 D&D. By complicatible, I mean rules that are scaled in detail but remain compatible, like nesting dolls, less encompassing to more encompassing. For me, since 1979, I've wanted a 20th level character and beyond, but the game is broke past 8th level. I get people being frustrated with wanting to learn the end all be all of myself, Lord Viscount Shittonarules, but a beginner to advanced set might be far more interesting and result in the slaughter of fewer trees. Rather than out growing a rule set and moving to something different, just adjust, similar rules with an expansion of choices and complexity as character level approaches epic levels. Create a multitude compatible expansions. Gods, monsters, planes, or whatever. Some open source some purchased. But the rules, the base (Not necessarily basic) rules that forms the community should be expandible (maybe better than complicatible, but there remains an operational truth that I prefer still) and a uniting feature that could grow. Just an idea.

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Thanks Joe, this was a neat opportunity to sit at the foot of a sage and learn the old ways. I've dabbled in 5e but it's never set quite right with me; based on what I've just heard, OSR is probably more my speed.

Ew Shadowdark gross

Hi Joe! The Pax Unplugged convention, in Philadelphia the first weekend of December, is more board game/ table top focused than the other Pax convention. I went last year and have a good time. An absolute must see movie for the vibes, Goonies! The trapes in this movie are llike going through an old school adventure. Half of the movie is basically a dungeon crawl.

Only 9 min, thank goodness ;)

Rolemaster aka Tablemaster lol, I loved that game, the best Middle Earth supplements of all time. The real complexity was frontloaded on making your character. Once you figured out how that works and avoid the pitfalls of making a broken build the game play was pretty fast. Everything was handled with a percentile roll. Sometimes the open ended die rolling would blow up in your face but that was part of the fun.

Thanks, Joe! Great video. Three hours, man, that's a lot of talking. Only a lawyer could do it. :) I personally need to get back in the scene.

Long but excellent and worth listening all the way through. Thanks! I definitely miss the old school play style from the past that I grew up with.

This video is a resource of resources!

Screaming at clouds, ha ha. No. I scream at grass…🤪

I know this is a year old, and I'm "no expert", but I think those signs on the leather tray mean something along the lines of Day and Year (the 2 together), hope and harvest, and the single one meaning Joy, or success... Whatever the interpretations, it seems he was wishing you well. Happy Rolling

Krull is a bit silly when you watch it as an abult but you have to admit that the part with the lady in the web is one of the best scenes of 80's fantasy. While Conan the Barbarian is probably the best swords and sorcery ever made, its a terrible Conan movie lore-wise.

Great video, Joe! I have played since early 80s but never got into the message boards or blogs. TH-cam has been my revelation of OSR. Keep up the good work and keep rolling dice!!

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I will say as a new dm and my 3 players are all new as well. We knew of dnd, but my gf got me into critical role, we all played bg3 and liked the dnd movie and none of us are big stranger things people but I know that has gotten alot of people interesting as well. As newer players I think with the wide spread of media that is how people are getting into the game now, not people asking others and if that is the case most of the people doing that are online friends and the games are played online. I am running the starter kit for ice spire (since the other phandalin one isn't sold anymore) was 15 dollars on Amazon for me to help get into the game. From a perspective of a new dm/player I do like the book, it gives me a guide for the overall adventure story. I have changed drastically the entire story but I have a nice shell, made some npcs evil, it's now based around talos trying to do things, the dragon is secondary, the pcs are all based around their gods story wise and they are really enjoying the game. I will also say regarding dissing the magic school adventure is just saying it's not something for you rather than it's stupid. I do like Harry potter stuff I was in second grade when the first movie came out and I'm 32 now. I probably wouldn't play it however I know some super fans of Harry potter and the world there and that adventure wpuld probably get them into dnd honestly, and they'd have a good time. Saying as well that dnd players are all nerds that can't get laid is also a bit of an odd (to me atleast) ideology being stated, I have a gf and she is a player, my friends fiance is a player, and I know abd have seen alot of females play dnd. Having an AI be a dm I do find odd but for instance I'd like to be a player myself atleast once but my friends arnt really the best or into being a dm, they kind of have the idea of it being really stressful. So I can see how if someone wanted to play but every new player was afraid to dm instead of not ever playing they may feel more comfortable having an AI adventure atleast at first, maybe that gets them to say "it's not that hard I guess I can do that". I think it's better to just say "maybe this product isn't for me" and move on, new players need guidance for sure to some level and they want to try to entice new players so I get where they are coming from. The younger generation from me is all about technology, and will probably be alot more based online. I was interested in what you had to say at first but ypu just sort of went in a spiral of negativity and if I didn't know much or was newer and haven't watch alot of TH-cam dnd content I'd probably either just avoid the hobby entirely due to thinking players will be this negative in the game as well as real life, and also everything adventure wise to help me learn is terrible so I don't have the time or ability at first to create a whole world. Secondly I can tell you are very passionate about dnd and that's great but your mindset seems extremely narrow, basically stating zero women play the game is kind of an odd take, again it's not 1970 or 1980 anymore, that was 50 plus years ago. Segregation was only 20ish years before that time frame so kind of crazy to view it like that. I'd say maybe not be so brutal with your statements because you may chase new people off that find your videos. It's perfectly great to be critical and I like that, maybe talk specifically about some adventures and instead of say whatever the hell that is and trash something think of how popular said idea is and how it may actually sell dnd to new comers which should be a good thing. There is enough out there to pull in new players, but if I can only read the dms guide and then create 50 hours of lore for my homebrew world (this is kind of the idea I feel like you were saying should be the case? Again not entirely sure you just seemed annoyed ranting to me personally so wasn't sure of what other than 90 percent of things with dnd makes you mad). I don't have time for all that and wouldn't do that, changing some adventures to my own things sure, but I can't dedicate that much of my life to something new especially that idk if I'd even enjoy. Maybe just take a deep breath, you seem really stressed about things out of your control, it's ok to disagree or not like decisions but being so negative it may drive away new people. Not trying to be mean or anything and your entitled to your own opinions of course but just giving you a perspective of a new player, since it sounds like you don't really know new players but people who have played for a very long time. Best of luck to you and your channel

Love your videos Joe, sticking this on to listen to at work later

I wouldn’t discount AI / LLM, I am not so sure that they will “always suck”. We come full circle back to MUX/MUD/MUSH in the sense of a text-based experience mediated by a computer screen but I think with mobile integration that over time a viable “product” will emerge. Not to mention the IP and brand represent a gold mine for Hasbro, outside of grognards playing at a tabletop. Movies, video games, etc.

Great video, very informative for newcomers who missed out on the earlier days.

The good old days. I started playing in 6th grade with the red box. That was 1984... good times.

Comment for the algo. Maybe this'll pop up for my friends and convince them to pivot from 5e bc lord knows they won't if I send this to them myself lol

That's a long and deep love letter, all right. And yeah, a lot of cool tricks in our games come from Jeff, Zak, Raggi, et al. By the way, could you get in touch with Zak?

Did you forget to mention any of Kevin Crawford's games? Stars Without Number. Worlds Without Number. Spears of the Dawn. Godbound. Red Tides. Silent Legions. Other Dust. You seemed to have left off an entire group of OSR games here. And loosely OSR since they fall into the retroclone category is Against the Dark Master and all of the Cepheus Engine products that are OSR games of Traveller.

Just want to add: "Hero" is a level title, but don't forget the Potion of Heroism. 🙂

I’m loving the OSR passion you’re bringing to TH-cam. Appreciate the deep dive.

There is a certain subscription service where you can find most of these OSR games and modules in pdf form. The website starts with an "S", is six letters long, omit the "E" in the title, and is named after ancient writers. YT will delete my comment if I actually name it.

3hrs? Breh

Nice. Plan to listen to this piecemeal.

Lol Nope ... I started with 2e Advanced D&D with Gary.

Ahhh yes.. JoeTheLawyer while im in the shower. I'm living the dream.

I can't sub twice

I like to see *the Dude* in your background. He is my spiritual advisor; we abide.

A DM that I think does an excellent job is Jon Britton, of 3d6, Down the Line. He uses houseruled OSE rules, and he just runs the game. There is no ten minute back story whenever a player introduces a new character. His group is currently playing through “The Halls of Arden Vul”.

i play since 1983, in a place kept far away from the markets until the 2000s (no eady access to renewals) ... i went through chaotic 1e, nuttered 2e, mechanic 3e, videogamish 4e and bought 5 ed but never played it cause it was enough ... last 10 years ive played a homebrew mix of rules that pleases my group and lets the narrative developpe while the mechanics run smoothly enough ... this kind of game will never die cause it trascends trends or fashions, cause its a way of life

There are a lot of great DMs and you make some good points and I have no support for the plans of WotC. However, I have to laugh that you think Matt Mercer and Matt Colville are great DMs. Neither of them run a game that I would have any interest in playing. They are IMO very poor DMs who run scripted railroads and so by definition are bad.

Hi! I've been running a "home brew" combining the best elements of AD&D(1st and 2nd) with Palladium that results in a very fast and tight game. But newer players in my group are taken aback by it cause most of them come from 5e and/or video games. They think that they're supposed to be super heros at level one!😅

Cool take :) Sidequest question: I still play 2e. Is it considered OSR?

We played the modules but wove them together in a campaign. Many times the characters had their own reasons for running a module or I'd use the module as a background for why the characters were really there for whether it be for muffins or rescues or reagents, etc. I also rolled up my random encounters pre-game. That way I could choose where and when to work them in for the best timing and make them more interesting and dynamic as opposed to 'goblins jump out of the bushes'. Many times, the random encounters became adventure hooks within themselves.

Nice video, useful ideas.

I predict we are going to see a lot more homebrewed systems, even simple ones, gain traction when wizard's virtual one comes out. As we seen it happen before when people became disillusioned with DND. 4th edition and later the ogl? Both times players and dms went to other systems, notably pathfinder.

Right on man liked the video

They’ll definitely get it launched. I agree that it won’t be a very fun experience. Cooperative role playing video games will be more fun.

They are doing what Disney did to starwars, trying to turn D&D into a girl brand. Using proms, magic high school and gay stuff, then removing actual dangerous combat.

The whole A.I. Dungeon Master thing is one of many problems WotC has. They've lost the plot, and drowned D&D in wokeness. It's dead and gone... but there will be a return in a few years. A based, OSR, masculine approach, born out of darkness. *CHA'ALT*

I’m moving to Tales of the Valiant. I think Kobold Press makes a better version of 5e. The OGL mess has splintered the 5e folks to many other RPGs.

The game store where I got to play DnD for the first time at the age of 29 post covid only dose card games

I don’t see what is the enticing part of buying the new DMG (well I also did not get the new pbh since most of it seams not be worth for a perma dm)