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@@Guillotinegamestcg i do not run karma :3 i have enough cb so im just using the cb cost for braveshooter

@@bernardogouveia8450 oh! I enjoyed playing vs you aswell! Hope we have another oportunity to play this season :3

@@ZorgaVS thinking of going to Spain again this year! Let’s play again :)

@@bernardogouveia8450 looking forward to it! This time it will be against nadir jeje

@@ZorgaVS eheh I’ve seen it! Been playing with nadir as well, love the new combos! Still deciding which deck I’ll use this time but thinking about Eva, been loving her new support ☺️

@@fazzalexiam6572 yeah! You can definetely run it! For me, the core orders are: 1 miasma 1 overcoming 1 malice 1black magic 1 habitat 1 ladder/doll Then you can add 2 orders of your choosing :3

As for pure, i think this is pretty much it. The only changes i can see for now are -2 shooter and +1 karma +1philander but i think this is how i will play nadir as pure. Im also toying with new hibrid versions! I will make more videos about funky lists soon UwU

@@ZorgaVS I'm currently on two spoof shade two karma two Philander lol. I like going full aggro and hitting 50k columns turn 3. The 4 Coutir tech is really nice tho.

@@antonypistachio5476 well, coutir is good for tempo and toolboxing but other cards create some other kinds of viable strategies :3

@@ZorgaVS Like what? I am curious

@@ZorgaVS Also how many orders are you on

discord.gg/SuD9CXu3 there you go!

Hellow! That is usually the case. However, overcoming was used on the alchemagic so the order from hand gets bound. Overcoming is the best card to turbo bind now, as it both accelerate the deck and farms handsize :3 I realised it gets confusing on videos to know what orders im using so i will make it more clear in the videos to come so it gets easier. (Sometimes im confused aswell when im commenting the videos lol)

For the baliard, i was playing eins because i like the card and i was hiddenly playing dvbt01 jeje but yeah baliard is 100% being added next set. As for the other stuff, i agree :3 there were some wacky plays arround freiheit

Ah, i didn t know i could not use it on doggo. That makes it a bit worse!

Ah, i didn t know i could not use it on doggo. That makes it a bit worse!

Also thank you for your comments! Its always a pressure to read them and comment back :3

im having problems recording that because we miss some of the cards T.T ive been trying a lot to make it. Since im struggling a bit, i think i will try to give you a writen anwser you can use in the mean time :3 another thing that makes me struggle is that there is 2 shiranui. Prefestcole, the deck is very easy to handle both as masques (you win with playstyle) and nadir (you ladder preoboro and win). However, this changes a bit after festcole because the deck becomes very fast (and i don t have people to play against that version XD) Let's stay in the present for now: Masques: You ask them if they have a gzone and ideally, you go second. I think going second it gets easier because the normal gameplan usually wins before oboro. lets focus on going 1st. The thing with going 1st is that it gets tricky. if you are well positioned, you want to stay on g2. if the hand is powerful, you may be able to recall dragons but even if you do not, just doing boosted 13k the turn after calling is fine. Remember you can call 2 g1s t1 to deny shenry aswell if you so happen to not have an order to activate turn 1. nadir: with nadir, on the other hand, you always want to go 1st, because the deck is rly strong t4. You want to grind overcoming as soon as t2, and get blitz order, as it rly mitigates the multiattack strenght. usually, they cannot kill you with maguntenbu on their 1st stride turn, so what you wanna do is tank that turn trying to stay arround 3/4, staying on a safe spot where you might also deny some heals or cheese your own and you do then ladder on your turn 4, so they cannot play. you will usally not kill here, but then they do not get to play, you survive and kill t5. there is no reason to worry about going second, because they shouldn t know you are playing Zorga. (That being said, i think Nui is getting more favored as a going 1st deck the most time keeps passing lol). being honest, this should remain the same even with rivali on the picture, because they should still not kill you with you play it like that, but it might get a bit harder. I can imagine maguntenbu 1st stride being strong now with the new rush engine so we wanna watch out for that Hope this helps. I wish i could record the video a bit faster. My community needs to catch up with the incoming releases a bit jeje

@@ZorgaVS tks a lot for the advice. Honestly I’m playing jp format so it’s post ban with fes col support. Shiranui is not only quite fast now but more tanky than u think. With bolvis, energy cyclers, shenryis, tengen, they all help u draw cards. When I test with it, I can choose to draw to the point of near deck out and even outlast zorga’s offense even with ladder played so very spooky

@@dylangoh1351 yeah, definetely, we are not killing turn 3/4 anymore, but i think having acces to a 5th turn with ladder can make a difference, but i guess i will only know after trying it :3 i cannot wait to have the cards and start recording!

Oh true! It doesn t matter most of the time because he gets called over anyway XD but thanks for pointing it out! (It is suddenly so cool we can consider this as hollow tbh)

This is a good point tbh. Also later on, the stack of known bottom cards can be huge so that is a lot of intel aswell

This one is 100% pure. In the future i will also be playing other diferent versions with masques aswell :3

actually, i haven't! do you have a link to the list? sounds interesting :3

​@@ZorgaVSits on vgparadox website, there's like 3 lists that are quite different from the usual nadir list, hmu if u seen it already! 😁

there you go :3 discord.gg/aG2N2ubk

I think sometimes you just need to draw cards. Like, if you do not have pgs for exemple. I believe sometimes you would draw more instead of pressuring (however i do not remember if that is the case in those games) When i play welstra i try to do a lot of max for more pressure, but sometimes you do still need to draw. Im not sure if that was the case here

The g3 was rly dramatic jaja

Yeah i agree. Krysrsin works mainly against decks she can kill fast. Im pretty sure zorga survives and kills after. Krysrain can find pgs fast but i think she is very likely to die after using the divine

No problem! Questions are welcome! 1) Ladder: in masques you need doll to find the zorga and the persona ride. Gameplay wise, the deck beats the decks without using ladder, so there is no actual need for the card 2) Shadow: it procs after the costs are paid. The card doesn't say it you need to have them on any location (drop, rear...etc...). You can resolve it because it was already triggered and there is no conditons on where it has to be. 3) shiranui: you try to go second. If you go 1st, g2 game is rly efective. They usually die before being able to oboro. I will record that game i think! Since i haven t been able just yet!

@@ZorgaVS this was a nice short and concise read thanks again. Excited for nadir and I like your idea of using masq for better first g3 turn.

@@zexrom1297 tbh, i feel nadir is designed taking masques into account. Nadir improves masques for many reasons: -better t3 (you can call 5/10k stronger boosters or intercept with shadows/guard with cows and call them again. You can even force a pg 1 turn earlier and call it. -with masques, you can use nadir as recursion - nadir is bad t3, but with masques you use nadir and still hit huge I think nadir is a bit slow intendedly. They mix rly well

@@zexrom1297 tbh, i feel nadir is designed taking masques into account. Nadir improves masques for many reasons: -better t3 (you can call 5/10k stronger boosters or intercept with shadows/guard with cows and call them again. You can even force a pg 1 turn earlier and call it. -with masques, you can use nadir as recursion - nadir is bad t3, but with masques you use nadir and still hit huge I think nadir is a bit slow intendedly. They mix rly well

Hellow! truth be told, zorga masques is perfect as it is jeje im playing the same list as always and it do feel very strong (Honestly, i competes perfectly into everything in current meta and i plan on taking it to bsf france) Post dvt02 i will make an update talking about how Nadir can also improve Zorga masques, if you do still like it over Nadir, and ofc, more Zorga Nadir content will be comming in the future :3 (Sorry for taking me 3 years to reply )

If malice is in bind, the order from hand will go to soul, unless its specifcly overcoming. Then overcoming will go to bind and no order goes to soul If malice is used from hand it will go to soul

@@ZorgaVS Thx for explanation.

@@ZorgaVS If for zorga masque,I alche tear from hand with random order in drop,do both orders go to soul?Same question for situation where tear is in drop.

@@wpys6931 only the order from hand goes to soul :3 the other is getting bound

The card that goed to the bottom is the one that fairy mills. In that case, the card that has to go to the bottom is black magics. (Fortunately i do not forget and i put it back jaja) However, any card fairy mills will go to bind if used paired with overcoming and to soul if played alongside tearful malice. If you don t want the card to leave, you can do that and the order will remain for you to play it more times :3 Habitat goes to bind here because its nadir cost to place it there.

The card to stay* not leave

U used fairy on turn 1 to mill habitat and u used habitat then so it should go back it’s at 45:33

But that same habitat stayed in drop zone throughout

I only point this one out cause it has quite srs implications for that particular game, it would’ve affected ur turn 3 quite a bit. But other than that vid was good, first 2 games played well

discord.com/invite/RVR7nmYA There you go :3

Exaclty this jeje

Im waiting until next week since we are reciving the new cards there :3 I might make 1 video in between, most likely eva, since the promo has not been confirmed in english and we already have most of the cards!

It’s at 19.36. Resentment randomly went back hand after using it

Masques needs all the pieces in order to work and i cannot think of any card we could cut without lowering consistency. I think i might not change anything. The only card we can cut is philander but then we trade consistency and aggro for plusing and that might not be advisable.

@@ZorgaVS That's fair. Originally my build was thinking 3 cyclers, 1 g1 dragontree, 1 keel severing, but I suppose there's less aggro in that? Is the 4th attack extension essential?

@@nevaj1683 i think keel is needed to win yeah. I have tried builds without it and it rly struggles to finish the game. Nadir can, not omly because of divine but because it can abuse abolishment for sins and has more room for braveshooter but i think we need to play without the cyclers a bit more UwU If you do 1 each, the problem will be the lack of consistency on seeing them sadly. Anyway, eb7 to draw 1 is already an upgrade and other decks do not have a rly strong energy usage just yet :3

​@@ZorgaVSI'm going to playtest a list that runs 1 myth, 1 command of death restraints, 1 frozen resentment, and 2 cyclers with 2 dragontree G1, while everything else remains the same. Sounds clunky on paper but I guess I have to try first

@@nevaj1683 yeah maybe you find something that works :3

Yeah! If you cut masques you can convert masque and 2 philander for 3 trudelide. I just talked about this in discord with someone. I probably should have mentioned a replacement for philander aswell :3

RPD is so much more flexible, karma is only situationally good - not having crits going first is so bad since you give up so much pressure while your opponent gets more cards for going second. I still like karma, but would never cut rpd for karma

@@lukaslivengood5687 ahh I see. I think people run karma cuz it can hit higher numbers on ur second and third g3 turns

Its just a diferent playstyle :3 Karma is a very strong card for beatdown but it comes at the cost of sacrificing defense. I think the deck scales enough not to rely on that card if overcoming is added to the mix and having the extra defense is rly good. This enables alchemagic edgehog aswell :3

@@ZorgaVS I am running a slightly different unit list. I'm running headhunters, instead of the new g1. Also running 4RPD-2 Karma combo and 2 of the cyclers. Been working out pretty good for me! :D

@@danielgui7501 there is many ways to enjoy the deck! Im glad you having fun :3

nono this is really bad pls do not do that - losing all of your scaling is not good. with the fairy, overcoming, and braveshooter, you have so much access to make sure you have orders for follow up and the grind game that you only brick if you mishandle your resources

Banshee cannot be run becausd it destroy the gameplan as nadir would unscale. I think 4 coutir and overcoming, alongside with malice and restrain is often enough to stay playing during the game. Sometimes if too many orders go to dmg it becomes harder to handle, but if that happens you can try to malice bit more. One thing nadir has is that you can also do 1 order without magic and call strong rpds with just crit and still hit hard or just bind the left order for a decent enough booster and still win.

Jeje

You are right about the whording! It probably is just me moving the cards too fast :3 im trying to see the moment but i think the time tag might not be the right one?

@@ZorgaVS sorry I meant one hour 13 mins in

Yeah i think this was just me moving the cards arkwardly :3 it is as you said :3

I’m conflicted between bringing charmout or my zorga deck

Cloaked shadow mill elementaria and play overcoming the unnatural death = free PG

@@elvisong8361 actually elementaria can be detrimental because cannot be found throught habitat/freeze and cannot be bounced from drop. Luard often dies before dragstrider :3

@@danielgui7501 if you are confident on zorga i think it might be a rly solid pick :3 To defeat luard going second helps but either way (1st or 2nd) the most important thing is understanding how to win the g2 game. Sometimes you will still ride up 1st if you have a good t3. Knowing when to do this can win the games very fast. To win g2 game defend playing arround triggers (do not take risks unless needed) and do attack patterns that do not let the oponent defend comfortably :3

@@ZorgaVS got that! If I may, what would you say are usually good reasons to ride up? I was thinking maybe have 2 zorga masques in hand but it seems a bit too situational?

Yeah! I think we put it there after :3

Forbidoll is good if you want to run the masques to make your deck good going second. Otherwise you can omit it :3

For me its a bit like a sacky card. Its a bit better than it was in masques because you can use overcoming plusses as fodder for it. However i do not usually find a window where i find that going for the extra chance of a crit in triple drive is worth not gaining power or plusing. I think the card does well t2 and then, in lategame, as a finisher where power doesn t matter, they have the pgs and zorga is required to crit for win. As for now, i don t think those scenarios are worth the inclusion of gather upon me

Wandering souls converts your overcoming advantage and any overflow orders - the abyss fishing search getting discarded sets up your g2 then as well to add an order back and still have a normal order to bind which is why it 100% makes sense in a build that uses the new rideline. Nadir pacing wants to see a crit on VG swing more than ever in a number of scenarios, sweets and gather are your best cards to maximize your chances of seeing this when you’ve reached the threshold from a card like karma where you have 73k+ lanes

Wandering Souls is a hard -1 that heavily taxes your ability to keep using Alchemagic in subsequent turns unless you shove in more cards to recover Orders in which case you're messing your deckbuilding by throwing cards whose only purpose is to circumvent an other card's heavy flaws. Not to mention if you do not hit a trigger on your third drive check Wandering Souls is a glorified draw 1, for a -1 in card advantage. Zorga Nadir favors playing the longer game and ramping up the bind to snowball Power in a similar fashion to Gandeeva and a card that makes you run out of steam much faster like Wandering Souls is not intuitive to that gameplan. You're far better off using the Draw power Orders to see more of your pieces than trying to highroll of Wandering Souls and end up badly punished whenever you don't highroll with it.

@@elin111 triggers win games, you can’t infinitely stall every matchup. The draw orders cost cb which conflicts with your braveshooters that are also turning into more card advantage, they also don’t serve the same purpose. If you don’t have the cards to gather, you don’t do it, that’s the power of nadir’s toolboxing - there are very open order slots, that’s how people are still teching masques. The card puts math in your favor, which matters a lot when you’re pushing for finishers that need to see a crit or can buy an extra turn off of a heal. Incorporating overcoming can put you into an order surplus while also accelerating power, that’s how you start seeing enough orders to do this. After you’ve ramped, activating something like miasma matters little when you’re making 53k+ columns without it unless it’s also facilitating a shadowcloak bounce

@@lukaslivengood5687 That only matters IF the third check is a trigger and no amount of math calculation is gonna change that is entirely up to chance if said check is a trigger or not and in an case that it isn't a trigger you're hard punished for taking such a heavy minus only to whiff entirely. Overcoming is also a complete winmore card that will be dead most games unless you hard HARD mill 3 or 4 Orders turn 2 which won't be the case 9 times out of 10. In DivineZ format with decks like Rezael who can plus forever and most often go into the grind game you have to also account for how you yourself manage the grind game and going yolo OTK is not conducive to surviving the grind game aaginst DivineZ decks.

Personally i feel its not so diferent from before. Usually zorga was already asking for 2 pgs in 1 turn to survive. Now it asks for a 3rd, but what is most important is to save the pgs the longer you can. Try to stay low early game (if zorga alows you. If they play fisher its easier) And try to defend saving pgs for later. Guard the attacks with crit and take zorga, since it might not hit a crit on drive checks. Doing this you should be at 3 turn 4 and you will survive the divine skill one more turn :3

@@ZorgaVS thanks cause I thought Zorga was deck I felt like I wouldn't be able to beat the few times I saw it

@@zeroedygo np UwU I think D is in a very good shape in the sense that the pairings can be handled with knowledge and practise. Even if you don t succeed initially, keep learning until you do! This way you will se results :3

discord.com/invite/MCa64ndE There you go. They won t expire anymore since i learnt how to do it lol

@@ZorgaVS it expired again

You can run angel ladder (if you happen to have it) or chalice. However, you need forbidoll for the masque engine to work :3 Forbidoll is only used in the hibrid versions with masques so, to avoid using it, just stick to pure nadir and add an utility order instead :3

Haha thx UwU

You are right. I forgot about that grade 1 even existed XD but honestly, the deck works so well already that it was easy to forget about it Jaja

There is many! New video tonight UwU

discord.com/invite/zp6sgXSM there you go :3

Philander was fairy game 1. Then i realised it was confusing and i turned it face down but its still fairy. I just don t have that proxy yet jeje will do it a bit more readable next time :3

Oh ok, thank you. Is it the fairy from DZ set 2?

@@user-kt3yw4id8i yeah! It fetches an order from deck to use so its rly nice!

Ah, ok. That is really useful. When you used Overcoming Unnatural Death and Brand of Corpses, wasn't the brand of corpses supposed to go to the bottom of the deck because of the fairy eff?

@@user-kt3yw4id8i overcoming binds it before it can go to bottom :3 overcoming is rly nice for accelerating bindzone!

Im not sure now, but is it posible i didn t have the extra soul? I believe i needed to put alana before activating it :3 i might be wrong tho!

@@ZorgaVS I keep forgetting the restand is a soul blast cost. You might not have

@@Electric4Pie yeah i think that was the case! Anyhow i keep playibg the deck and the divine do be like "why restand X power dragon when u can wait and restand stronger dragons later" XD

Thanks for the notes! Definetely some mess ups happened UwU