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Hey amazing deep dive on Okubo the rest of her works are actually available to see in her home city of riverside in The center for social Justice & civil liberties. Her work is absolutely amazing to see in person I definitely recommend checking it out.

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Hi Shannon - are you familiar with Wanda Gag’s work? She is an artist that roamed around the early 20th century NYC art scene amongst the Duchamps and O’Keeffes but she also ironically produced the most accessible form of “art”/literature: children’s books. I saw her lithographies at the Whitney last weekend and was so deeply moved by the depiction of energy and magnetism between the objects and the lack of space/nothingness in her lithographies. I love what she wrote in her diary in 1929: “there is to me, no such thing as an empty place in the universe (…) I am just as eager as nature to fill a vacuum with something - if nothing else, at least with a tiny rhythm of its own, that is a rhythm created by its surrounding forms.”

accidentally found your very first video and i love your content! i work at an art museum and we just had an exhibit on Rodin so i had to watch this when i saw it 😂

Kind of a tangent, but I think it's interesting how the found object is not considered "art" until it's repurposed given that status by the artist. Who gets to be an artist? With things like a urinal or a wheel there's already been a lot of intentional design work and skilled physical labor leading into that product. Is it not already art? There's some gray area for sure but maybe some of the found objects are more like Columbus'd objects. IMO the separation of physical vs mental labor in art is such a big topic it probably deserves its own video, especially when it comes to large scale collaborative projects with creative directors or shareholders.

Sou do Brasil e estou amando seus vídeos. Não deixe de postar!

Such an interesting talk touching upon different angles and facets

Love this video!!

Duchamp's exhibits were a wry bitchslapping of a then-nascent pimp-and-whore firmament over the art world(which is solidly established as an industry today). The collective efforts of upscale gallery proprietors, critics, apex collectors, and "patrons", amalgamated for the sole purpose of perpetuating elitism, and getting rich from the labors of meticulously groomed talent who often see a fraction of the money realized by their work. It was also an effective 'épater le bourgeois' pie-in-the-face, which challenged everyone to ruminate on what art truly "IS", and what it means to them. Brilliant, subversive rabble-rousing in a time before such things were "cool".

Virgil Abloh very literaly used Duchamp as a shield from critizism by saying ”Duchamp is my lawyer” I dont necesarilly think hes wrong tho.

Great video!!! My final project was written on Mendieta for my masters degree. Absolutely tragic losing Mendieta in such a violent way. Even more crushing to know that Carl Andre and his work can be seen at large institutions after being acquitted for her murder. I highly recommend reading the book ‘where is Ana Mendieta?’ It explains a lot about the art worlds reputation for dismissing female artists. Mendieta and her work are such treasures xx

Your video is excellent. I recently saw the exhibition of her work at The Toledo Museum of Art. I went twice to really take it in and purchased the catalogue online. She is an amazing artist and her life story is so interesting. I'm so glad you did this video to bring attention to her and reinforce what some of us are learning and discovering about this underrepresented artist. Great video.

Before the 1945 Duchamp wasnt widely famous. Idea art wasnt a thing. His legacy is a 1970s fabricated narrative about how the avant garde emerged before ww2. The avant garde became the establishment after the war & twisted earlier 20th century art history, legitimising itself & deligitimising "classical" art made at the same time. The urinal is fake.

don't worry, you're not talking about jane jacobs too much! when you mentioned her book in your last video, it reminded me that i was meaning to read it - i've started it now and it is FANTASTIC.

never thought about it this way! while i was watching i was thinking about how labor outsourcing is a part of pretty much every field… and the only conclusion i can come to is it’s capitalism and imperialism. its built into how our world is run. also, fashion is a form of art and my god fast fashion is horrible. i am a found object artist myself, but i use the objects along with my skills and transform them to be in a very new physical and intellectual space. i really had never thought about found object art in this way and how for some people it can be used to exploit.

Goodwill and thrift stores are My favorite found object and found art galleries are Goodwill and other thrift stores.

I'd like to add to the part about managers. They are more than overseers. Management is put in place as a middle man that ensures the business owners or higher ups don't have to make contact with the workers. The managers swallow all of the complaints and abuse from the workers, much like in restaurants where the waitress takes all the abuse of the diner who has no access to yell at the chef. The position of management also exists to give workers false hope that there is a fair ladder structure in the business they work for, that if they work hard enough they will be promoted into the middle class. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

this video is amazing! thank you so much!

I enjoy very much your videos, Kim. Greetings from Brazil ☺

Hello I do study art history and would say I’m adamantly opposed to this opinion but I appreciate you took the time to share it. You should know that Serra was actually involved with the physical making of some of these large pieces as some of the specifications he required were beyond the capabilities of the factories he was working with. Thinking vs doing is a sort a slippery slope when considering the process Duchamp went through in order to have his fountain presented but I understand your issue with others labor being negated in general when speaking about the readymade. Ultimately an intellectual pursuit that results in a precise art object will be lauded over a composition of a skilled draftsman who has sailed for weeks but without rudder and compass because we’ve accepted a divided between art and craft and that acceptance predates Duchamp by quite some time in reality. Great video!

Just watched >every< single one of your videos. I am obsessed with your channel! Please continue to enlighten us and inspire us with your own research.

Visual art is pretentious and B.S.

I don't think the tik toks you showed are "ai art" really. there was clear labor put into their creation, they just used some elements which we now classify as "ai"

i don't get how someone can watch the hipster ai boyfriend and think it's some never-before-seen innovation in comedy. It's just someone hipster-bashing, its like the oldest and tiredest form of comedy known to man. It's not post-post-post ironic, it's a straightforward piece of satire, its operating on 0 levels of irony. Also, i'm pretty sure that the only parts that uses AI is the text to speech voice and the lip-syncing, everything else looks like standard adobe suite.

Thoughts on Yuji Agematsu? I think he is one of the great luminaries of contemporary art. His practice is really about much more than the objects themselves that he collects

Thanks for your thoughts. I believe there's not enough reflection on how managerial concepts have shaped our understanding of global culture. Also, on the technical side, he audio gain on this video was low.

Love how you broke things down in such a digestible way! I agree that centering artistic value around mind over matter seems to perpetuate the ego-centrism of the artist, which makes me less interested in their work. I found your reference to AI “art” quite nuanced and led me to wonder - is it the novelty around “conceptual originality” across the board that fascinates us regardless of execution and lack of physical craft? And do we appreciate that AI meme account in a way because there is no deified artist (and ego) to point to? The current narrative around the tech is so divisive and oversimplified to AI = bad that I appreciated your quick take on it as a counter argument to your video’s thesis! I’m so curious what more thoughts you have on AI from an art theory perspective :)

Bet she thinks Koons is amazing…

would love to have an art book club with books you recommend

The ensemble of your hair your face ur earrings outfit background everything is soooo pretty

I love found materials art, but imo you really have to transform it into something new and graphic.

Duchamp was maybe radical in his time -- a threat or provocation to the overarching structure or institution of art, but as things go, it gets subsumed into the institution, becoming its new champion. Perhaps radicality -- an instinct to seek freedom or new territory -- can be measured in terms of its impact in context of its time and place (risk or having skin in the game). The further use of ready-mades in modern/contemporary art, especially after its provocative nature wanes, is sort of, as you mentioned, a way for an artist to "seem intellectual," aligning with the institutions, frameworks of thinking, or neoliberal capitalism etc. that they safely reside in today: no longer a threat.

Nice vid! Also, theres an account called gangstasportivik that predates northwestmcmwholesale in the absurdist AI stuff, and likely inspired the account that you mentioned.

check out Jon Rafman's films if you like northwestmcm! :)

Belles Bookstore in Palo Alto has an AMAZING selection of art history books. Dog ear books in SF also has a decent selection!!!

Def going to check that book if I manage to get it at a reasonable price. I remember learning about Duchamp in design school and though he leaned more into the “look at the beauty and craft of more everyday objects” more associated with the Arts and Crafts movement and I was soo wrong. Cheers from Mx

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I don't see Duchamp's achievement as deifying himself or making others consider him to be some aesthetically high arbiter, rather its the idea he presented which can open others' eyes to the beauty of the world around us, even if its generally considered to be unappealing, ugly, or unnoteworthy (eg. a urinal). I'm certain he has helped a significant amount of people perceive things around them in a more aesthetically appreciative way; which might have been ego-driven, but his achievement wasn't being someone who wanted to show the world how special he himself was for unconventionally finding something artistic. In other words, another way of seeing his art is a tool to allow his audience to see more things beautifully, which can't be more divine.

kim's book sounds v interesting, thx for sharing<3

based off the title, i realized this video would expand my beliefs and knowledge. especially as a collage artist, i think it's important for me to stay open to these kinds of perspectives. another book to add to my never-ending list lol. good luck with your studies this semester!

The book is really great 1:22

I do think it's strange that people's reaction to Duchamp has largely been "woah I can turn anything into art by changing it's context" and idolization of the guy, and not "woah there is beauty in the craft of even plain objects we often take for granted" and appreciation for the workers That being said, I think overemphasis on the handiwork can also lead to ableism which gate-keeps people's participation in "art" in a different way. Both intellectual and hand labor is important to the creative process, ya know?

I think curatorial work can definitely be art. Just look at Fred Wilson's work. But I agree that we've lost the plot somewhere and that art about making art, especially in the modernist movement, can be needlessly intellectual and demand some sort of trained skill from the viewer. The art world is a bit of an echochamber when it comes to this stuff

Hi there, I mentioned you in my 2nd to last video at two minutes 40. Someone in the comment section said that you make TH-cam videos and if I would have known of course I would have said this. I follow you on TikTok and absolutely love your style. I’m currently about to watch your videos. lol he he 💞💘💘💘

not first :(

Found art was the death of skill and the start of scams in art school.

girlll i'm sorry im off topic but you should model. you have such a unique and beautiful aura