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Anduin is a Dreadlord

"Your father dabbled in powers beyond reckoning...where is HE now?" - Taran Zhu, to Garrosh Hellscream in quite possibly the most savage burn in WoW's entire history of dialogue.

you should try taking a dip in the waters of argent dawn EU (its got the same reputation as moonguard but WORSE) lol

I've watched the video and read some of the comments. I 💯% agree with the idea and with what commentators said. But i don't think the video has done a good job explaining it. I certainly didn't get the right conclusion. Anyway! Carry on!

I remember how I returned to WoW bc of the Demon Hunters. (I jumped off after Pandaria) Then I also remember how I jumped off again bc the lack of proper support for DH´s and Lore. (No I dont play WoW to grind out my sweaty ass in Raids or other sh*t I just wanna quest and enjoy some story.)

its kinda hard to explain. i started getting back into wow like half an year ago with wotkl Classic (today is the end of June 2024). i then continued playing into Cata Classic and even tho it was still fun (not as much as wotkl, but still fun) i just wanted to give retail an try (Current expansion is Dragonflight, if anyone sees this in the future). and to my suprise i had an blast... for around 5 days. i´d say the positives are the transmogs and how transmogging works, you really can look like you wanna look. like playing an shirtless berserker without actually not wearing anything on your chest wich would obviously make you really weak from the missing statts, another huge improvement are all the newer animations, different attacks really look different and awsome instead of having the same 2 or 3 hitting animations and i love the way all the professions work. Also, even tho you get absolutely handheld while questing, the classes have a lot more buttons to press and mechanics to look for, so i wouldnt even say it got dumped down, quite the opposite, wich is a plus. But in some kind of way after like 5 days of playing i somehow felt some hard to explain emptiness... even tho i joined a guild and hang around with a few cool people on their discord. this game did not feel like world of warcraft. it was all there but it fellt like playing an singleplayer game with mmo quests and thats just simply not what i am looking for. i am now back into Cata Classic and even tho it looks and feels old. (cause it is lmao) i am having so much fun right now. this is the wow i wanna play, i wouldnt even mind if classic goes to pandaria, cause i am one of the few people that actually liked that addon when it released back in the day but i guess i am gonna stop if they decide to roll dreanor around. cause that is when it truly went downhill for me, even tho legion was really good, story wise.

Nothing will ever be perfect though

It was all down hill after Elwynn forest / Westfall, with a brief reprive in Wrath.

You're a great writer bro. I so often find myself watching your videos just to see the wording you use or the way you make your case. Very well written blizzard could learn a lot from you.

Its great what a mighty Pirate like Guybrush speaks for World of Warcraft :3

i want remix but burning crusade mop remix was just blizz trying to breath life into a shit xpack

I still hate it … did you ever grind rep just to grind some more rep .. and than go to an Island just to kill frogs … yeah no

Oh man this is fun, In vanilla I was in steamwheedle rp server. Then I was off and on again playing but I eventualy came back and played with my friends who wanted to do an RP server (mostly because it means less people yelling about whatever stupid real life thing is going on) The reserch we did is if you wanted to play Alliance the biggest place was Moongaurd and if we wanted hord it was wyrmrest accord. We chose alliance and moonguard and I've been playing moonguard sense. If moonguard has such a bad reputation. Can someone tell me if there is any other RP server out there for alliance?

Now go out and send this to Blizzard HQ.

Political is such an important things to this world and also any other world . Idk why it getting weaker and weaker . u cant escape political , cause we all live with it .

I feel like a lot of these problems were already solved a long time ago in FFXIV, yet WoW never tried to learn from it until recently. First is they need to stop with these world ending events happening one after another, they need their stories to take moments to breathe were conflict builds over time until it culminates in a big event like how WotLK and MoP did back in the day. FFXIV for example is never afraid of this, as the story just got out of a world ending event only to follow with an expansion about the main characters going on a "vacation" to a new continent and find the city of gold. WoW needs to go back to doing simpler adventures were the biggest concern might be something like a gang of pirates, and then over time that might get to be something bigger. Second is the focus on character driven stories is not a bad approach, but they never exploit it the way it should. There is nothing wrong with following around these characters, but the problem lies in that they feel more like pawns in a chess board rather than companions or friends that you get to know more of. The contrast to FFXIV is the Scions of the Seventh Dawn and the Leaders of the Eorzean alliance, where even if they are all important you get to know them more and more as the story progresses, by fixing this problem you get to make people more interested in the politics of the game as well. Third is the way the story gets presented, i'm not asking for cutscenes, but something needs to be made so the players know how to follow the story of the game in a more interesting way. How to see the key elements in the story the devs want to tell, without the need for youtube videos.

I very much disagree with you on BFA point. That whole cutscene was great. There is time for political intrigued dialogue and there is time for personal story telling BfA approached wasn't bad. Take legion cinematic. The entire monologue was about culmination of Varian characters and how he grow as a person. There is no grander ideas or political messages but people loved it anyway. Saurfang story is like that and honestly one of the few good thing about BFA.

idk that cinimatic is FN awesome though the shadow pan one is gasrosh being garrosh who at this time already had his whole team basicly hate him from day one.

I’m like disagree with you on sylvanas because sylvanas being evil was an inevitable conclusion. While I disagree with execution of BfA and shadowland, I really don’t agree with you that is character assassination. In cataclysm she tortured her own death knight and saying arthas was too weak. Before shadowlands many of us was sounding alarm sylvanas was always going insane but every time we bring it up we get drown down by people who loved her.

MoP is my favorite expansion, and I LOVE every single short story that expands every single faction of the continent

Nobody likes MoP, you must be living in an echo chamber. Or you're chinese

I'm gonna be brutally honest here: the devs are not all to be blamed for the shift in WoW. Leveling used to be kind of a free-form, non-linear journey that was open to little adventures and exploring for adventuring's sake, but then many of us grew up and got busier lives, and many just wanted to get leveling moved the fuck away as soon as possible, so we could get shepherded to endgame and raiding as soon as possible. Install add-ons and use guides to not have to read or do "unnecessary" quests or areas, and just go for whatever makes the numbers the biggest. It's a long-term surefire way to kill joy, but it's hard to see in the moment when you're just chasing the next high.

One of the biggest complaints that we hear nowadays about the story in WoW is that players want to go back to simple down-to-earth conflicts and less world saving. The kind of storytelling that Blizzard started telling in recent expansions, that involves character building and personal stories, would ironically work better in the smaller plots of early expansions than in the recent ones. To clarify, Blizzard went from telling a world-driven game plot with a character-driven player story, to a character- driven game plot with a world-driven player story. If that makes sense.

Sylvanas is, like, the hottest.. like, zombie I've ever seen. Or undead. I think she's undead. Wtf is a banshee? ... anyway, she's pretty hot for an Irish, elven, like, ghost chick.

tl;dr: I only bring up FFXIV in that last post because it's pretty clear what Dragonflight was inspired by and was trying to build off of as a direct competitor. Except it never really fostered the casuals that did stick around for more complex and nuanced stories. So what you get in the end is just Marvel movies but in MMO format.

FFXIV sort of did this better where characters that monologued at you and were at your level had actual character arcs that spanned the entire expansion. With WoW it always felt like they were doing half-measures where characters like Thrall or Alexstrasza have to be dumbed down because the vast majority of WoW players don't care about the story. So you have this self-defeating cycle of slop that only gets worse the more you add onto it because there's only so many times the world can end and the power of friendship, unity, honor, or whatever must be used to stop it. Meanwhile, characters in FFXIV are constantly evolving, constantly growing with the player, and there's always a compelling tragic hero archetype to rally around on. It's because very early on FFXIV was remade for a community that expects good storytelling comparable to a mainline Final Fantasy game. For as many gripes as people have about the unskippable main story quest content, it does a far better job at grounding the player in the setting. You could argue that in-time every expansion after MoP worked to undermine the exact cutscenes you described because the Horde & Alliance go to war or maintain peace not because of in-game politics, but because the writers needed them to at that point to contextualize the next expansion. It's entirely meaningless in the grander scope of things by now.

Is that version of their NE geritage armour shown in 1:09 even obtainable in the game?

I miss the world feeling alive :( they should really make world a thing again feels like its just a lobby for your raid m+ or pvp instances

i loved this, glad youtube said to watch it =)

Yeah, you're wrong. Shadowlands had the best story.

The missing "World" and "Warcraft"

I saw Digni the scat worgen in this video 😅

This is why I prefer Classic WoW. I don't *want* world events to revolve around my toon -- I don't want them to be buddy-buddy with the faction leaders, or to see into their personal lives. I don't mind hearing things here and there in quests and cutscenes, but ultimately, my toon is a grunt, off in the world on their *own* adventure, which *occasionally* crosses paths with the Big Events. I never wanted to be "Speaker of the Horde" like in BFA, because with that kind of storytelling, it's emersion-breaking in an MMO when you know that every other player character is also "the Hero". It cheapens the title, the interactions, and the story. Meanwhile, nobody else is the Orc Hunter with the backstory *I* came up with for her. The way books are written is a completely different kind of storytelling than an interactive game, especially one with multiple, customizable player characters. I feel like Blizzard has lost that realization.

Monstrous characters I could play. Tauren are why I became Horde and still am 18 years later.

I truly liked your video but I disagree with the premise of MOP being better than BFA.

nar we only had mop coz hroll want to kill garage hell screen

Glad to see there's still some folks out the who understands the big impact worldbuilding has in the overall health of a game like WoW. To be fair you're right but something you didn't address but also adds to the problem you mention is the heavy self insert of the devs' fanfics within the story. Dragonflight is plagued with this kind of stories, mostly with a very heavy ideological message born of the problems the US currently has and calls "cultural war", another very important point is how all this affects the relationship players not natives to the US have with the game.

I mean, you're missing the WAR part too, the faction war has been gone for too long, holding hands is why a lot of us quit to begin with.

I really dislike mop because it just doesn't feel like it belongs to Azeroth

In my PoV it feels like you as a player get more detached from the game and lore the more it goes on. I have always loved the lore in wc3/wow but I have never read the books. And up to bfa it have been somewhat solid, in shadowlands / dragonflight I have felt like wtf is even going on and why is the game "shit". I'm not talking about game mechanics but just how it is. In dragonflight you see all these massive dragons that do really cool stuff. But they can't talk / befriend a couple of groups on their own.. Like wtf blizz, you need this random ass adventurer to do that for them? Or just how you go from a nobody to "champion, hero, adventurer or whatever they call you", then all of a sudden you are called a student? Like what??? I had a friend make a character in dragonflight with no prior knowledge of the pasts expansions, he loved the game but he were so confused to all the amazing titles they were shouting at him. Its one thing to have that for characters that have been thru it all since vanilla, but it can be npcs that you've never seen shouting champion towards you. From a gamedevelopers perspective I understand that it is to make things easier to just give us a "insert whatever title here" and call it good. But it all gets so bland and pointless after a while. I just want the upcomming expansions to "slow down", go back to its roots and make you the player more integrated again, or atleast dont make the main characters so lifeless.

Unspoken part of this video is Lor'Themar having American Psycho experience with holding Quel'Thalas in a shape roughly resembling functional state and at the same time Liadrin doing a lot of stuff in many expansions so we can be reminded Belfs exist outside of playerbase but are in the lore too.

What I also like in this video is you being able to recognize that even if story in BfA didn't work as full expansion story or in wider scheme of things, it had brilliant moment, such as Kul'Tiras arc and Jaina's role in it. Not all characrers got ruined or turned into bland villains, like they did to Sylvanas(which is sad, cause she used to be great character).

Currently experiencing MoP in the Remix Event. Such a good story - it is heartwarming, the characters are fun and we see so many diverse communities of Pandaria. And what is the best, we hang a lot with ordinary folk of the realm, seeing how they live, but still the stories are really well crafted. And the entire realm of Pandaria is just stunning. And when the stakes are higher, you feel it - it's not that bland, all the time world-ending sh1te. And the smaller quest chains are so narratively good too! Learning about Pandaria, seeing this cute little banter between characters we meet - it's so organic. I forget about the whole bronze thing and end-game mechanics, I just play it for the vibes and story. xd

Yeah you're right about everything, but still, MoP is about panda's

you guys deserve so much more views and subscribers!!!! im hooked! Great video!!!

The peak of the game's story was when the Lich King died. It's gone downhill since cata.

Warcraft is not really a world, Due to Technical limitations at the time. Its separate instances linked together by portals & loading screens. The world you speak of is a few instances Currently called 'Cataclysm'. They make a new expansion, which is a set of new Instances (large and small) and link that to the old expansions using Cataclysm expansion as the HUB. In my opinion the Cataclysm Instances Like Kalindor and Eastern Kingdoms should be updated per expansion to Reflect passing time and new threats instead of Slapping on new ones

I am still sad that the fish and monkey didn't become playable races....

I always compared the Horde to the Klingons in Star Trek. Territorial race, brave but yet everything they do is with honor. Same with the Federation in Star Trek. It took a long time for them to be friends, But they eventually got there. I think the problem is now we need a new foe. Something new we can sink our teeth into. Lately it's been "Same shit, Different EXP." The Monk class looked to start that way as it could had been a new foe (PVP wise.) But it became just another race to play and it was up to you to decide if you was Horde or Alliance.

Garrosh still's one of my favourite "villains" to this day