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No bud, this is actually the first map introduces to coop. And if I'm not mistaken the last update to coop was 4 years ago, unfortunately.

@kage-rts a, ok thx

What is an abathur?

@@kage-rts "Abathur is a unique zerg creature, created from numerous zerg species. He is the zerg evolution master, serving as the Swarm's DNA library, and resides in the evolution pit." ;)

Librarian?

@@kage-rts Yes

Yes, she's slow, which is why she prefers longer maps. On short maps she's gonna hurt. Timestop and black hole is her saving grace. With p3 atleast you can focus on other army while you spam shadow guards and once timestop is on just call them down. At release of coop she was very strong, i don't think anyone got nerf harder than she did, and compared to other commanders her other options are really weak, and require high skill to play. Oracles die in amove and as you said in general her anti air is weak. She's the reason we have rocks on gas gysers.

And here i though i explored everything on the map. But im guessing i wont play him anymore, or at least in this campaign since he got outcast. As for the mission, it was certainly very chill compared to the other missions where a lot of pressure.

@@kage-rts Worry not - next mission pressures you from start to finish heh

Great... Just when i starting to get the hang of it... Honestly i don't like elf class.. their really tricky to play

@@kage-rts you will unlock 2 extra units in the next mission, where one of them is my favorite in the game.

new units is always nice :D i'll try to guess which one is, and i have a feeling it will be an air unit :D

Word are hard :P

Hmmm... So early into the game... There is no fire without friendly hehe

What units? XD

@@kage-rts exactly

The obvious isn't always obvious for me. Now that you toldxme about it, makes perfect sense lol

Their insufferable. Makese not want to play with her anymore

@@kage-rts worry not - Stormrage brothers more than make up for their female heroes.

Should i be worried? Hehe

What can i say? Oops? XD

Hopefully it will be a big make or break, because i need all the help i can get.

@@kage-rts it will be a huge help for final mission, especially once you unlock Malfurion's lvl6 skill.

Well i can't wait to see what it does

Bonus patrol is watching hehe

Yeah, line up is very important as well. Depending even on what commander you went with. Usually zerg lineup tends to be the worst because of the amount of units they send. Lurkers tend to be the ones that get buffed.

The build for this is really dynamic. But the most standard is as follows. drone till 14 supply 2xgas 13 drone 14 overlord, 6 drones in gas, spawning pool, 2xdrone 16 baneling nest 15 queen 16 ling speed, overlord from here depending what enemy comp, and what map. if easy rocks, make 2 eggs worth or lings, if not focus on tech instead. 20 baneling speed, overlord inject -> lair 24 expo hatch, overlord, drones and finally when you have enough gas scourge nest. just getting all ling, bane and scoure upgrades asap, then add 2 evos and make more drone, +1 and aberration upgrade first. honestly, depending on what i'm playing against i will either forget or delay scourge nest, but make sure you have fully saturated expo as well, because with injects and ling spaming, you won't have enough minerals most of the time. if you can't really inject, then add a couple of macro hatcheries. the thing is, as i said previously, this build can deviate a lot depending on what the enemy composition is and what mutators we have. for example here, i needed to get more lings out, because of this i make overlord at 13, then drone, then gas and spawning pool. this is so that i don't supply block myself early on. depending again, what mutators are at play, i can either make more for this specific build i think you can better understand when i did the my bots speedrun watch?v=g7N-4WMqtIw

Yeah, aberrations are key in keeping your banes and lings alive when you you get hit by a really bad AOE attack. But then again, it's not like you don't have more lings and banes where they came from :)

Well it is hard, if you don't know what you should be doing. :D After not playing WC for a couple of weeks, and then resuming from "memory" was actually way better, then me actually dropping in blindly in this mission. This whole nightelf mission just gives me terran vibes lol. And specifically the super nova mission.

@@kage-rts I guess the base concept of moving the base forward checks out, though there is nowhere near the same amount of time pressure here. The worst that happens by stalling here are just more Gargoyle attacks.

For some reason my last attempt didnt have that many attack waves. Maybe because i kept moving away

@@kage-rts yeah it seems that the closer you are to the undead base, the more likely for them to attack. So the second gold mine is probably the worst position.

Is this gonna be something that I'll totally forget about, because I don't know the reference, lol? From the hint you gave me, I'm guessing Malfurion will be really good.

@@kage-rts oh yes he will be.

Yeah, I tried that in a run where its sped up and no comment. Because i was like. Dude i must focus no commenting. And i was sort of close.. but not really. My initial plan was to cloack and not aggro them, shot something clock. Rinse and repeat. But just running through it was the best option indeed.

Lol. You're not you when you're hungry

I have no idea how, but we did manage to beat it :D

You're disappointed that you didn't know the trick, right? :D

I 😂 I actually love this! Straight to the point!

Squaring lol. Barely managed to do a 40% haha

@@kage-rts at the end it says 50%/50%...

Ok then i don't remember the correct game. Gg for. me I guess? :D

I was, wasn't I? Hehe It's hard when your a master at amoving and you have a ptsd from this stupid mutstion like i have :D

@@kage-rts I noticed you weren't doing that in the early game when you said you were short on gas. Zagara is definitely one of the worst commanders for this mutation because of the splitter banes (they feed a lot and don't do much damage)

I would tend to disagree here. in this replay i was doing a really bad job, but i don't remember if i talked about this here that i should be using lings to kill hybrids. I definitely mentioned this on stream at one point, but i was just really tunnel visioning. Do as I say, not what I do, I guess :) As for the banelings, ideally i would have killed every unit except hybrids and if only ground hybrid remains just use lings to kill. But i tend to panic a lot, and on this particular mutation when i initially played it i had a really rough time. now the question is, is she for everyone? No. She definitely won't be a fit for everyone. If you engage poorly, you just keep on feeding. The reason i only used banelings is to try and not feed as much as i could, and as you said splitters, are not ideal. Even I wouldn't put her in top5, but zagara is the only commander i actually managed to win relatively with ease, back in the days and now as well. First try as they say. Now if I where to take into consideration average players, they would need a lot more hatcheries, since they don't use queen inject at all, and even so by late game, she tends to run out of juice, and has to rely on ally for support. She can become a really bad feeder if you initiate a bad engagement. With all this in mind I would still not place her dead last, simply because she can recover really fast. If you have the apm and not using p1, you can do bile launchers to soften up the enemy, potentialy leaving only the hybrids that as we have discussed should be dealing with the hybrids. We can't just simply ignore her insane burst damage. Both banes and scourge. Though scourge are even worse at feeding.

@@kage-rts in the early game, you created hybrids every time you tried to attack. you only got out of the jam because your ally was tychus, who is really strong. i dont think that's a sign of a good commander. the splitter banes kept feeding. and you can use bile launchers even if you're p1.

I mean that's honestly why i play coop. To have an ally in case i mess up. You may know, solo ain't my thing. Average player won't be soloing, same as me. It's impressive what you do, but i'm not really able to pull of your strats. About bile launchers, on p1 i usuallt tend to be really aggressive and as a result mineral starved more so then gas starved, because i spam lings and don't have resources for bile launchers

Lol. Many more to come. Right?

Can you guess how i was when i edited it? Lol

Where false advertisement? I said i tried t9 normalize as best as i could lol. Also you're super human, vertigo doesnt affect you. We meer mortals arent good with it :D

@@kage-rts "This mutation is a pain in the butt" - wasn't in mine..

Well you're just more resiliant :D

Holy crap, i forgot to change them. Thank you mate. I was in a hurry and didn't check my copy pasting skills :)

Hopefully, something good XD. With a lot of enjoyable moments. And mostly me getting wrecked in coop ;)

Did i destroy swann? Lol

​@@kage-rts Yes

There is no specific reason :D ESO bad... ESO too op.

@@kage-rts None of the masteries really buffs ESOs though..

But you don't need eso early on. I think i only got eso here because i wanted the top bar to work as well.

@@kage-rts my point is - you can use masteries and just NOT get ESOs lol. ESOs are way more OP than any or all masteries he has.

Oh yeah i see what you mean. But the point of this wasnt really eso, but more like making every unit and upgrade, or at least trying

Just getting like 6 of them could win you a lot of coop games :D

I should have probably reloaded a save there... But it can't be that bad though, can it?

I've noticed that the8r cheap, you can easily replace them. But man you need to micro them properly if you want to actually win with them

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LOL. Unfortunately, I tried out a pee-prestige... The outrage :D

Not yet... Lol

​@@kage-rtsyes yet.

I'm pretty sure if I would replay this, I would try a cheesy way. What im theorising, if i can just get thrall to steal grom, and he dies. I could just revive him, since grom is already in the orb. Would be nice with some zepplins as well, if they where any. I was commited to clear all the map, but if I wouldnt yave done that there is a possibility I wouldnt have take 2h to clear the mission lol

@@kage-rts I'm not sure if Thrall dying with Soulgem'd Grom would work, never tried it.

There is a first time for everything lol

You up keep it with healing, right? Every ultimate i played so far didnt seem that op to me. But this might ultimate might be interesting to try out.

@@kage-rts yes, when you play as Undead you can heal the Infernal with Death Coil of Death Knight and it also benefits from Dread lord's Vampiric Aura (makes melee units leech life on attack).

Yeaahhh... Seems the best ultimate

@@kage-rts Yeaahh.. I did mention before that (standard) Dreadlord is the ONLY hero type from the main factions you won't get to use in the campaigns right? You will control one in a later campaign however that one will have modified skillset, including the ultimate skill. So - if you want to chuck down an Infernal you will have to play the skirmish as an Undead..

Yes, I do remember. And I know I'll have to dive into the skirmish part to test it out. Honestly after thr campaigns I might just do that

There is an unclear timer. Rescue high security prisoner. That is the timer for the infernal infinite wave, which you can't kill. I tried to max out, sit at the base and you get obliterated. You have to hurry up on this mission. LE: I recommend destroying the middle right base first, because you can get air units by taking control hangers, and then clearing the other 2 bases and bonus as well.

You can somewhat cheese the map, by getting a maxed out army of scouts, exo and lancers then go on crushing it. th-cam.com/video/tAA19jNZOW8/w-d-xo.html

ok. ill try it with out cheese. for me the wave comes always between 25 to 26 min (this is after observing this for 8 games) where I usually get the 3rd base cleared out in the 23 to 24 time.

omg this is easy. 😄 the main mistake that I did was to fight the large air force to defend the bases. what should have done is with my full army go straight to the 4th base and kick as of the stupid giant enemy. he goes down within seconds if you have an army value of 150 with fully upgraded stuff. well at least that is what happened to me. I will post a video in my channel for all 3 missions in brutal mode. 👍

Lol. Yeah, once you know the gimmicks its easier. GJ

I'm pretty sure, the animation isn't final, but it would have been nice, if there was a banner that says not final rendering. She isn't properly animated in a lot of places.

Obviously. :)

You should definitely try it out. My recomendation. Get in a party with a friend, and try out different things. There are some mutstions that are thedious, but there are ones that are really cool as well.

give it a shot, once you have decent commanders and their prestiges, mutation can be super fun even when you play with randoms. Though it can be annoying when your teammate doesn't know what he's doing (happens a lot with Raynor players)

@@shepherdlavellen3301 i play Karax and Zeratul so i might be able to win a mutation if i go fast enough because i usually go for upgrades first on Karax

@@failing244 for this week, Karax doesn't work well because you need to be mobile and destroy void crystals before enemy spawns overrun your base. Zeratul can teleport around the map and deal with them quickly, especially with P3, but he can't carry the match

@@shepherdlavellen3301 honestly, full defense is more chill. karax + swann can take their time defending and slowly pushing, while not worrying about a lot of the stuffs.

Unfortunately, its the truth. Besides unit responsiveness, the game is a total letdown. I had high hopes for the game, but the truth is rather harsh. I have trouble distinguishing between buildings, units. In coop there is always a mix of different enemy composition, which tend to screw you over sometimes. General gameplay feels lacking as well. Also lets not forget the abundancy of microtransactions.

Indeed it was a fun no build mission. At 9ne point I did see that soloing with hero was possible. Regarding the lizard, is it by any chance the one on low ground? After reload, i killed that lizard before the golem fights, but i'm not sure we're talking about the same lizard

@@kage-rts yes it was I think in the corner of the map on the low ground - it does not attack you when you approach, it just keeps eating trees. What you have to do is find it, let it eat trees (you can go and clear some enemies in that time) and then the path is open to get the item!

I don't remember, but i dont think i let it explode on itself

Hmmm... Thats interesting. So its something like a trial of somesort.

I couldnt just take it that the mission was over and i couldnt get the gate. So i reloaded an autosave and did get the items.

@@kage-rts yeah I noticed later on. In that case I fully agree with that decision - unlike very unrewarding and sometimes risky bonus in SC2 coop, getting all the items you can is so fun and often rewarding here. The fact that items persist between missions makes for great progression.

Honestly it was a great decision, because i forgot another item for caire as well. Lol