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Haha can’t really argue that one, it’s more about the fact that he had a promising start to his career, and then everything went off a cliff in a matter of 2 years. But you’re right he was never that good to begin with.

😂 I don’t think Mac Jones can ever return to the New England area.

Didn’t fall too far lol, but he did have a solid rookie year, which made some people believe he could be the long term starter. The main point of the vid was to show how quickly things fell apart for him in NE.

Facts. Everyone focuses on his poor play, but the majority of the players on that offense were trash, not to mention Matt P & Joe Judge in 2022. But the thing I disliked the most about him was his attitude and tantrums he had. Not a player guys want to rally around or look to as a leader. Plus he was a pretty dirty player.

Yeah, he could not handle pressure well and too often tried to force things on offense. That plus the WRs he had was a recipe for disaster. Some of those 2023 INTs were some of the worst I’ve seen in recent memory.

Very true. That’s the main takeaway from my video. Although Mac wasn’t very good to begin with. I don’t think many QBs could have had success with that team. If he’d gone to SF, his career could have been completely different, even if he never was going to be elite.

Agreed. I thought of his as a caretaker QB. If you have a staff that could coach up his replacement, you have a guy who keeps the team respectable. Unfortunately, they didn’t have the help around him to even be that

No arguments here. In the vid, I definitely layout all the reasons Belichick and the team failed him. That being said, Mac still shares the blame for his bad decision making and poor attitude.

😂 definitely had some dirty plays. The one against the Panthers was bad. The whole team (Mac included) has been a mess the last few years.

Yeah, Mac came in at the tail end of the career’s of most of the offensive players from that last SB squad. Would have had a better chance to succeed had he got to play with Edelman, White, etc.

Mac 12 lol

No. It was McDaniels leaving for Vegas

@ I think Macs play fell off allready by the end of first McD year. But yeah, him leaving did not help

I think Kirk Cousins would be the ceiling and best case scenario for Jones IF everything around him was perfect. He’d need to be in the right system with good coaching and talent all around him. Similar to Brock Purdy in SF, even tho the Niners declined this year. But that’s the type of situation he’d need to succeed.

They definitely knew Mac didn’t have the arm strength to air it out that game. But to be fair, with the weather conditions in that game and the fact that NE’s WRs could never create separation, I don’t really blame them for not throwing it. And in the end, they won the game.

I don’t think Jones was an amazing college QB. Yes, he had much more talent at Alabama but he still put up good numbers, while winning a national championship and finishing as a heisman finalist. I only mention that in the video to paint the picture of why he was considered to be a 1st round QB prospect. Not saying that he should have been. Once in the NFL, I knew he would never be elite or even great. When you factor in the lack of talent and coaching hires along with his physical limitations, there was zero chance he was going to succeed.

Yeah, things really fell apart in the back end of that season.

Completely agree. Both sides have to share the blame. The Pats didn’t do enough to support him for all the reasons you mentioned. And Jones was never going to be that guy plus his turnovers and bad attitude just made a bad situation even worse. I think NE is finally on the right track now with Vrabel and Maye. Now they just need to build out the roster around him.

I thought he looked promising in the very beginning, but even then, I knew he was never going to be one of the top QBs in the league.

Appreciate the feedback 👍

All parties involved failed. Jones had too many turnovers and mistakes. For the coaching staff and organization, they didn’t put enough talent around him, plus the questionable coaching hires in 2022.

Definitely not putting all the blame on the Pats. Jones was terrible his last two years. But I think it’s fair to criticize Belichick for the lack of talent on the roster and the poor coaching hires in 2022.

Not saying he was the long term answer. But his brief stint with NE definitely wasn’t successful.

Belichick definitely doesn’t have a good track record when it comes to QBs outside of Brady, and Brady’s development was more a credit to Charlie Weiss, Bill O’Brien, and McDaniels.

@@c-love-vids And as i said it all started with Lloyd Carr. Carr was known for installing confidence and discipline in his players. Brady was 6th or 7th on the depth chart and Red Shirted one year but it was Carr who kept pushing him to improve. Brady went from low in the depth chart to beating out Drew Hanson for the starting job in his final 2 seasons and going on to win upset Bowl games over Arkansas and Alabama and ended up with an incredible 20-4 college record. And that was all due to coach Carr. Funny how all 3 of those guy's you mentioned were basically mediocre coaches before Brady and after Brady. Charlie Weis didn't do nothing to help Bledsoe out and was essentially a running back and receiver coach before he came to New England as the offensive coordinator and he was a disaster with The Fighting Irish. We all know McDaniels stunk as a head coach without Brady As for Bill O'Brian he was just a receiver coach when he joined the Pats in 2007 with the Pats. If one was to suggest it was O'Brian that helped develop Brady into a 50 TD passing QB and Randy Moss into catching 23 TD's that season it would be a stretch. The fact of the matter is it was Carr who had Brady throwing footballs in an indoor gym into tires spread out all over the gym at 3 am in the morning on Thursday and Fridays while all the other frat kids were just wrapping up partying on campus.

Yep, no arguments here about Lloyd Carr. But for Bill O’Brien, I was talking about 2011 when he was the OC/QB coach when Brady won his 2nd MVP. Not saying he is to credit for Brady’s success. Just pointing out some of the other coaches who were a part of the Pats dynasty when Brady was running the league.

@@c-love-vids Do you know what the real true story on the Malcolm Butler play ever was? I found some obscure comment by someone somewhere else where it was safeties coach Brian Flores who saw that play coming. Apparently Flores ran some old USC college tape on Pete Carroll and Carroll liked to use that exact play several times when the Trojans were down at the 2 yard line. If that is indeed true that make Brian Flores a bloody genius. It's crazy little things like that that made the Pats great ..

All I know about that play was that apparently they had been running it in practice that week, but weren’t having success. Then in the biggest moment, it wins them another ring. The attention to detail and preparation really set the Pats apart from every other team during their run. Crazy to see how quickly things can change.

I think NFL teams were worried he’d want full control over the team like he had in New England. At least he’ll have that in college.

Hiring Matt Patricia was the beginning of the end for Belichick in NE.

Very true

No arguments here

Haha Mac Jones gave Pats fans PTSD lol

@@c-love-vids yeah

Yeah, people want to put all the blame on Mac, but he was put in a terrible situation after McDaniels left. From the coaching hires to the lack of talent. However, I don’t think Mac is that good. All I can see for him is being a bridge or solid back up QB.

@c-love-vids again I'd love him in new England on just for a backup role, he knows McDaniels but I doubt he'd wanna come back.

Yeah idk if he’d ever want to come back to New England 😬

Mac is terrible haha he showed he's not even a good backup this year. When jags had chances to win, who pissed those chances away by turning the ball over? It was mac. The fact you wouldn't trade a 6th round backup of you could get a higher draft pick bc he played well against 3rd stingers is hilarious.

ya know, people forget that when bledsoe was QB there was a lot of belly aching about how he needed a better o-line and better receivers. and when brady came in he was able to toggle the offenses protections and get rid of the ball faster and pick his spots. rather than bledsoe who'd wait for the thing to collapse on-top of himself. we were shipping a lot of people out when bledsoe was here. but when brady won it it was clear what the problem was. and i know drew's workout habit wasn't up to snuff. he wasn't really applying his full potential, he was too used to being the "guy" and that's what i saw with mac. he wasn't hungry enough. he came in with an attitude. and too many new englanders backed him simply cause he was Irish. Someone was giving him bad advice. i also think being an only child didn't do him any favors. because he behaved like he came from privileged that's rarely the stuff that makes a leader of men. and they smelled it on him. he showed his self when he was crying (do you see brady crying in front of his men?)and he listened to the media too much trying to act like josh allen. throwing the ball across his body. Do what got you here. Brady was always mocked for dink and dunk but he was persistent he knew could hit em deep when they least expected it. mac on the other end made his opponents sick with a passion knowing he;d eventually crack.. he'll be forever known as the QB that git bill fired. no matter what you think of bill he's got rings before brady and with brady. mac will have the distinction of being the QB that got a legend fired etched on his tombstone.

Yeah that was probably the worst offensive coordinator hire I can think of 🤦‍♂️

Yep, at this point the best thing he could wish for is being a bridge QB or a backup on a team where he has a chance to compete. He was never going to be the franchise QB, but the Patriots definitely ruined his development after McDaniels left.

@ What's interesting is that Brian Thomas Jr had his best games of the season with Mac throwing to him. He may be far from great, but he can still elevate receivers while being a solid game manager.

He played well enough in Jacksonville to prove he can be a solid backup/bridge QB, who could compete for a starting role on a team that’s looking for a QB. Personally, I wouldn’t want him to be my long term QB tho.

@@c-love-vids Him moving on was for the best, but I'll still be a fan of him.

@@c-love-vids "moved ball well enough for jacksonville," ??? the idea is to not thow INT's (8TD's 8INTs)and manage games if you're a backup. he might be out of league. that was his last chance. Way to take advantage of your homecoming kid.

I don’t know about great. At best, I think he could have been similar to a Kirk Cousins in the right system and some weapons around him. Patriots definitely screwed up his development tho.

Nah that's a common misconception. He has always been blessed with a top 10 offense and receiver core in college which allowed him to put up great numbers and then his rookie year he had McDaniels, a top 15 defense that was top 5 in takeaways, a top 10 o-line, and a decent WR core. If you saw him play he struggles massively under pressure and struggles to throw a deep ball. After his rookie year he was exposed, good qbs perform consistently well on bad teams and put up elite stats on good/elite teams.

I agree. That’s why I said at best he could be similar to Kirk Cousins, if everything was perfect around him. Probably more like Andy Dalton. I don’t think he is as good as Cousins tho. Obviously in college when he was playing with 1st round receivers he looked good, but I never thought he’d be a franchise QB, especially with the talent he had in New England.

Lmaooo nah he's complete ass

Great is crazy 🤣🤣😊

Haha all good. Watching the Mac Jones game tape when I was making this video was a tough watch.

Bruh same I stopped .

Lol I can’t really blame you. Outside of his rookie season, it was hard finding any good Mac Jones tape for this video.

@ Even his rookie year was dressed up by quick hitches and short dump offs.

You don’t really know ball then. Watch the video and pay attention to why he failed. He was never a QB that was going to carry a team and be a top5 QB, but had enough talent that he could be a good qb… BTJ got more of half his stats this season with Mac at QB and he showed again that there’s something there. At worst he’s a really good backup. At best, he’s a starting QB that can win with a good team around him.

Yep, that was my bad

Yeah, they weren’t going to go anywhere with Mac. At least his bad play in 2023 helped them land Drake Maye lol.

You're comment tells me you don't know jack about football and even less about QB

@ and you don’t know anything about football if you think a guy with 0 talent and a noddle arm who’s not even good enough to get a starting job is a good QB lmao

New England is irrelevant without it's daddy, tom brady. Bill is the most overrated coach in nfl history. He's not even a .500 winning coach when he doesn't have brady under center. Bill was a system coach and the system was tb12 😂

@@randlemarsh as a patriots fan I don’t see any lies in this comment tbh

Yeah, that is honestly one of the worst ways I’ve ever seen a team lose a game. That play definitely wasn’t on Mac. That was on Rhamondre and Meyers for throwing that horrible pass.

@c-love-vids The biggest culprit behind that loss is the Belichicks': -Two TDs on the same drive called back because of a pointless timeout and a stupid Smith false start -Peppers doesn't pay attention during a punt and gives up a block which leads to a Raiders TD right before half -Defense plays PREVENT on what would have been the game-sealing play and continues to play prevent until the choked away the game-tying TD

The coaches are definitely to blame for the loss. Definitely not arguing against that. They should have never been in that position. But I was just talking about that one play in specific. Knowing how bad the offense was, they should have just played for OT. Rhamondre pitching the ball wasn’t a good idea. No need to risk a turnover in that spot. And Meyers deciding to throw that pass was just flat out stupid.

@@c-love-vids All good, was just enjoying the conversation, respect. ✊

Hell yeah bro! I love the discussions around the vids. 👍

Got a ring watching from the sideline then his career fell apart immediately after.

😂 bro was trying to win the game on every play

For a minute early on in his career it looked like he might be good, but that changed quickly.

No, but he wasn't impressive in the game he started. Andy Reid is the king of second chances.

You’re right. That’s my bad.

It really was surprising how many teams took a chance on him despite all the issues he had with other teams.

Yeah, that definitely didn’t seem to be who Wentz was.

You’re missing the point. Carson showed signs of being a great QB in the league. Should’ve been MVP in 2017 if he didn’t get hurt. But his true colors eventually came out and it destroyed his career. He’s selfish, not willing to change or adapt, and most of his teammates called him a bad leader. So this guy went from possibly being a top 10 QB in the league for the next decade all the way to being a backup QB who nobody remembers. That is the fall

@@TheAnswerToIs-uk5fq I found an object lesson in this video and hope to avoid similar pitfalls in my life. Wentz may have ruined his career but there is still much life remaining to use his failures to grow into the person he was meant to be.

@ hard to argue with that logic.

@MrXGames Compared to most people, yes, he’s doing just fine. However, I think even Wentz would have to admit this is not how he expected his career to turn out.

Wentz never seemed to learn that nothing is given in the NFL and felt a sense of entitlement. If you don’t produce you’re gone. It especially doesn’t help when your teammates and coaches don’t like you.