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Great discussion. What we need to understand here is the concept of continuous, exponential, and accelerating improvement. The AI therapists will improve noticeably every few months... and NEVER stop improving. It never stops getting better. There is no ceiling or limit to intelligence nor the ability to mimic human emotion. If we understand all this, we can see where this is going. 👈👈👈 All human knowledge work will at first be supported by AI, and ultimately, replaced by AI.

Dr. Craig Childress has outlined 3 diagnostic criteria that should be met if alienation is present.

Mine havent spent xmas with me for 18 years. Ive never abused them, they happily take my love and money then leave me on my own every xmas and even refer to their fathers relatives as “their family” but im not referred to as “ their family”

My cynical theory is that "coaching" is a way for people who don't want to get a license to do therapy. This is in no way to disparage coaching! Getting a license gives credibility and access to insurance, but it also can be expense and time consuming and it has limitations. I've read a few books about coaching and it all really sounds like CBT to me? Like it's just stuff from my CBT books but with different labels. My theory is that this distinction comes from perception of therapy as basically psychoanalysis (or stuff similar to it).

I think that the "bad" pop psychology comes in two forms: good stuff that has been exaggerated/dumbed-down too much, and nonsense that has been dressed up to look like it's actual psychological science. I also think that one of the big dangers of pop psychology is how seductive it can be to researchers...I mean, you can toil in obscurity and poverty doing legit research, or you can dress up some talking points, tell people what they want to hear, and leverage your credentials to build yourself into a brand.

My guesses would be that 1) a lot of men aren't interested in talking or stereotype therapy as something that it isn't and 2) it takes a long time and a lot of money to become a therapist, which then doesn't pay as much as other careers with that amount of education.

Calling out the isreali government is not antisemitism. Jewish Americans are Americans

Great episode Curt and Katie

Great episode Curt and Katie

My last therapist was a F****ing idiot.

Sorry, but I think its deplorable that you are laughing about lying to your clients - you know, those people who come to you for help and of necessity must be raw and vulnerable and honest in the process of opening themselves to you, the therapist who is supposed to be honest with the client. I would absolutely NEVER use either of you for therapy, since you are essentially laughing at the difficulties of the clients. That makes you bad people.

It’s been pushed to 2027 now I called this morning and was informed by the nurse I spoke with

sometimes the difference is in the goal, where it's leading. The task of getting at the truth can look like having an agenda, for instance. It still helps to pick things apart with honesty though.

Therapy has a public trust issue. The modern culture/politics of industry associations and training sites essentially alienate a significant portion of the population. This emphasis becomes a dilution of the individual, an imposition of external ideologies, and a distraction from deeper issues. Therapy becomes a mere tool for social engineering.

Interesting a show about men and men's issues and the woman instantly wants to make it about women's issues in marginalized men's concerns once again. This is why men want nothing to do with therapy and therapists. It is basically a female domain run by women for the benefit of women to screw men over.

Love Mr Kelly but the word salad of the interviewer is distracting and diluting the message

What is the FB page she mention? I’m trying to find her book. This was such a great talk.

Men tend to be rational. Your field is increasingly not. It's not a good match.

Amazing video good job 🖒

It is a biological reality not social reality

Pictures can prove a positive relationship with the child.

Gross 🤢

yes it is- im burnt out and looking to walk away

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Shoulda called this one "when is it acceptable to discriminate against men", and the answer seems to be, "when you are a woman"

I have always found cbt to seem very condescending and ultimately naive. I do not want to imagine a new set of beliefs that might he more convenient, and then try to convince myself that I believe them instead of what I actually believe. And I spent years doing the "behavioural approach", making myself do things even though i didnt want to, and spoiler, it never made me feel better. I do not have such a poor understanding of myself that I cannot predict how certain behaviours will make me feel. It didn't help decades ago (parent saying "you'll enjoy yourself once you're there!") and it doesn't help now.

I got certified to become a I got certified to become a peer support specialist through RI international in San Diego california. I love the way they did it! They started first with a class to learn how to help ourselves they gave us tools for us to work with in our own recovery and then we did another class on how to help others. And I love the way that they did that. I now move to New York and I'm taking the peer support classes to become certified in new york. But I don't mind because what I didn't learn like there to become certified in new york. But I don't mind because what I didn't learn like there to become certified in new york. But I don't mind because I can carry what I did learn in California and learn new things here in New York because I'm sure there's going to be things that I didn't learn in california. So actually I would like to be certified in all states so that I can keep learning from people different ways to do it because the most important thing to me is being an effective peer advocate for others.

Therapists have to be careful not to locate the problem solely in the individual. Friendships are no longer prioritised in our culture, and it's hard to make friends.

It treats them like defective women. Not hard to awnser.

Men need a complete hearing with plenty of safe space to say what is truly on their minds supper fine details need well packed answers that work. Such as There is no agency for me as a individual.

I hate CBT.

I've been in therapy many years. In some ways it has been helpful but in other ways it's useless. I get annoyed that they say thoughts cause feelings and freewill exists. I cannot change how i feel no matter what i think. Basically all that works is going to sleep. Once I'm agitated and my thoughts are racing, breathing, mindfulness, journaling, etc is worthless. Getting away from the situation helps but is useless if I'm at my job. I'm getting annoyed thinking that I can control my thoughts. Some thoughts make things worse, but no amount of positive thinking changes my negative thought process. It's a feeling that is causing the negativity, not the other way around.

An expert witness huh? Not sure if you know this about our court system but expert Witnesses are purchased by both sides and essentially an expert comes up with whatever the hell you need them to say on the stand. He's going to have to do a lot better if he wants any credibility in my eyes. Especially since those expert Witnesses don't necessarily work for free, or for cheap those bastards cost thousands of dollars.

Also just saying this from a male perspective, if I found out that a therapist I was talking to believe there were more than two genders. I would instantly walk out and never speak to them again. Not sure if you know this but it is the multiple genders who continuously demean the very existence of men. Particularly straight white men who are now deemed as the evil of all patriarchy and must be taken down many pegs. And I'm not even white I'm just freaking afraid.

Interesting regarding the conversation around anger, I don't actually think anywhere in my life I'm allowed to be angry short of alone and in my room. Maybe around my friends, but definitely not anywhere around the people I live with. I am allowed to be happy though, that's because me being happy really does not interfere with anything, or disturb anything.

Great episode! I liked your practical examples. However, I think the discussion could have been enhanced by including the principle of veracity or dealing truthfully with individuals found in the ACA code of ethics. When faced with dilemmas of autonomy, beneficence, and nonmaleficence, veracity can serve as a valuable counterbalance. While we should avoid imposing our morality directly on clients, we can still strive to provide accurate information about the potential outcomes of various choices(Psychologically, behaviorally, or otherwise). This respects the client's autonomy but also allows counselors to still deal with reality. I also like to conceptualize these ethics within the golden mean idea. It's possible to bring any of the foundational ethics to their excess and deficiencies. Thanks for your work!

Where is angry accepted? Not work, school, shops or with the family. I think what is meant here is that anger doesn't take away from manliness... not that its been accepted.

Therapy is RUBBISH.... PLUS.. I have had long term relationships with ( Three ) LCSW's.... Never again...they we're NUTS ,..BONKERS , SICK.. all three of them and very weird too. ...go have " Counseling" with ' traditional ' Elders...not some women from a totally different world than yours,...i don't care what the ' dsm ' says garbage....i am sixty three...and a. Former Hairdresser...

The only therapist who would ask, why are you asking for a coach, is an incompetent therapist.

One thing I have noticed is that poly people look down on siwngers, swingers dont' look down on poly. When telling poly people I also swing I always get " I am not a swinger" I need to have a connection with someone. When in reality that is most swingers I have met too.

calling rules boundaries are people that have something against possessive terms and don't follow rules well. They are the same thing. it's just a mental gymnastic one does to trick themselves or their partners.

prove me wrong. Poly people are or were broken by a bad breakup and in the process of healing they now distribute their needs across multiple people and also refuse to be someone else's everything. Some are happy but most are actually depressed and lying to them selves that they are happy. The whole point of finding the right person is that person is your everything. But people suck and it's hard. You have to work at it and grow with each other. I also have not seen one poly couple that didn't marry young and then later stayed together but went poly.

Best thing we can all do for men's mental health is to stop women from invading male-only spaces. It's nice to have a place to go and be yourself free of judgement or expectation to be a "value provider".

Here's a no-brainer children go to counseling and then they have to go back home alone with the alienating parent

Love this conversation! I’m in grad school for marriage and family Therapy and hearing about ways to decolonize mental health care is so exciting! Thank you for sharing this ❤

It’s impossible to do this work without being cynical. Complete waste of time!

Wow, if this is how much a therapist hates their job, do you realize how you are messing up your clients???? Please rather quit

Such an important topic. What incredible advice. *Every* ‘therapist’ needs to listen to this and it should be compulsory listening for students. I’m an RN, now studying a Masters to be s psychotherapist. The most important book I read at uni when studying in Australia to be an RN was ‘ Nursing and the Law’ by Patricia Staunton. It’s about the Australian environment and may be out of print now but I learned how vital it was to think legally st all times in my work and especially when making clinical decisions and when documenting. I always wrote detailed notes even as colleagues wrote ‘no change’.for similar shift scenarios. The thought “how will this look in a legal case in 2 years?” kept me focused for years. I hope to include the same practice principles in my clinical role as a therapist in the future. So I particularly appreciated listening to your guest talking about the same principles. Although we have a different regulatory and legal environment in Australia, the principles discussed in this podcast still resonate. Thanks so much to your guest. What an incredibly important job he does (and has) and what a great service he provides. I believe it would be very challenging work but I hope it’s also rewarding to him. Thanks again for an excellent podcast. I’ll listen to some more!

Great episode, really brushes up against it, barley slips through your grasp

I agree. All CBT therapists I encountered seemed to be extremely arrogant and did not want to talk about errors etc. In the end, with my last therapist, I even tried to read Aaron T. Becks works in hope to convince him that he might make mistakes and what he did to me does not work. He did not even listened to me but dismissed ecerything I said immediately