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@@yeppamajkemi medium in version 3 will fit you fine. I went from XL to L (as the new models don’t come in XL) sorry if that’s not clear in the video

@@SabianDB02 EXS looks ok but they too are expensive ($400 USD plus shipping) and they have zero degree flare at the drops if that’s to your liking. I like some small amount of flare at the drops

@@Once-a-fatman-nownormal aero isn’t my priority, I meant I chose stronger aero bars over round lighter bars. The “junk” is a bike computer and a Cycliq 12 Sport camera light. Between that is a small front flasher. I train mainly at night so do you propose I go computer less and no lights?

@@b.smitty5273 sorry have not! I know the ARc wheels are heavy though… thanks for kind words! I’m a straight shooting guy without much filters though haha

@nightridercycling Seems like very few people have haha, I'm having a hard time finding proper reviews. They're about 150g more than the Lun R67's, but I ride a lot of flat kms and I'm no featherweight either. So ride feel/stability, braking performance and overall reliability matter more to me than weight

@ in terms of aerodynamics in a straight line the Lun Hyper R45 are excellent, almost as good as last generation Zipp 404 NSW which are 58mm so I’m sure R67 will be mega aero. However the issue is about these carbon spokes, I’m unsure about the reliability? I’ve ridden them 1300km now without a single issue but longer term reliability is uncertain? I don’t expect a problem but I’m not looking forward to breaking the first spoke on these wheels?

@@raymoo123 yes that’s one of the new features of the 3.0 over the older versions, it can carry sunnies at the front, upside down

@@EddyCat1234 I have no idea if the SL4 can even fit 28mm tyres? I think the frame has a max width of 26mm? If that’s the case then I don’t think it will fit. My R5 has a max width of 28mm and even then it’s only just clears without much room to spare. It’s not so much about the 28mm tyre, the wheels themselves are 21mm internal width which overall makes the tyres wider than if you install 28mm tyres on 17mm width wheels

@@EddyCat1234 yes the sram red calipers have ample room to clear 28mm tyres as I run this on my S5

@@fred7921 I disagree, MET Manta totally different design. These have been around for about 5yrs so they aren’t new. Anyway I think there is a limited amount of variations of aero helmets. After awhile all designs have been exhausted?

@@snipercoder9778 definitely round. I have trouble with oval shaped helmets

@@germanhugger41 yes I am aware of the Torch 3.0 but yeah because they don’t come in white they are off my list 😆

@@reditcostam843 yes the Techlace, empire and Imperial are all fine for wider feet, unless you have extremely wide feet? Mine are size 43 and 10.5cm wide just to give you an idea and they are fine. I have heard that the newer Giro Cadet is narrow toe box

@@nightridercycling well, mine are 11.5cm wide 45 size so Im not sure and I need to check. Thx

I have tried Swisstop in the past but I’ve found them not as good as the Campagnolo Carbon pads for Shimano

@@padraigmoran5710 Yes I have heard good things about Bont brand! These remind me a lot about Bont in terms of toe box shape and carbon tub

@@Eirikkinserdal yes, last of the rim brake R5 limited edition frameset colourway

easy to route through the avians? i see you have etap. i was wondering if it could fit mechanical?

@ easy for electronic (only one cable) but there should be enough room for 2, it will be a tight squeeze but I’m pretty sure mechanical shifting for any integrated handlebar will be a tight squeeze at best?

@@fede1275 thanks for comment, that’s a relief to hear! I feel the braking will be pretty good in the wet but I haven’t been caught out in rain so far (summer in Australia so maybe thunderstorms!)

Yes I saw that video! Thanks, I squeezed mine all around on both and they seem good 🤞

It was a different model wheel and yes there can on occasion be manufacturing issues with any brand and in that case Winspace replaced the wheels. What we don’t know is if it was a manufacturing issue or damage caused by the guy not installing the tyres correctly and using a lot of force with tyre levers.

Thanks for comment, I think Bont is next on my list, they look like they have a softer upper than the Nimbl do; not that it’s a problem thus far, but maybe it could become so on ultra endurance distances?

@ hello.. yes the material is very smooth on the bont while maintaining a very stiff sole.. it was the first thing i felt when i used it.. i pedal around 5-8 hours in every ride so having a good pair of shoes is very critical for me.. what i love the most on the bont is the toe shape which is in my opinion perfect coz its square-ish not pointed.. also love the positioning of the cleats because i prefer it to be moved more centered.. yeah it is a good shoes, not for everyone but im very much good with it🙂

Then wait until you get on some more flexible and comfy carbon bars my friend! I rode 25,000kms on Black Inc bars and these are noticeable more stiff. Not so much that it’s not uncomfortable, just noticeably more stiff especially on the drops when sprinting. I think it’s a performance advantage to have stiffer bars. But for endurance not so good? All depends on what you’re after and the type of riding you do? See my other video. On the Avian Falcon II bars which I find to be half way between Black Inc and the Farsports Bars. Overall comfort I find is greatly influenced by tyre pressures anyway in my experience

@@nightridercycling Agreed on the tire pressure point, but I don't have any comfort issues with these bars. What does it cause with you? numb fingers? Sore hands? back? Only thing that eventually hurts on my current setup is my butt, but can't see how the bars can influence that! :)

None of those things! Sorry if it came across in the video as it being stiff to the point of discomfort, that’s not what I meant. I was simply saying they were noticeably stiffer laterally when sprinting than the Black Inc bars that’s all. I have them permanently setup on my S5 aero bike and they are fine. Perhaps it a negative on Black Inc bars being too flexy? 😁 I put the Black Inc bars on my “touring” R2 bike and when I rode that this week it was noticeably cushier, which may not be a good thing if you’re looking for pure performance

Not sure what you mean? The handlebars are carbon

@ the cycling computer mount that came with the handle bar is made of carbon.

It looks like carbon but I don’t think it is! Plastic coated in carbon? I bought a cheap Aliexpress one that is actually carbon and it’s much lighter and not as flexible

Thank you for taking the time to write! Yes I forgot about EXS, but if I recall the earlier versions had no flare, but a quick google shows they seem to have fixed that. The issue is that it’s still $700 AUD whereas the Avian Falcon II is $400. I actually prefer the look of the Falcon bars, just a simple straight bar which suits simple straight lines of the Cervelo R5. But I would totally put an EXS on an aero bike!

@@nightridercycling My EXS is on my Scott Foil. Lol My Falcon is on my Tavelo. lol Enjoy

I don’t think so, very rare to see aluminium rims deeper than 30mm. I’ve seen some super old aluminium rims with carbon fairings to make them deeper but you’re talking 2010 or earlier.

Thanks for replying, much appreciated 👍🏼

​@@nightridercyclingDon't HED still manufacture such wheels?

@@sbccbc7471 no idea sorry

HED Jet are your best bet. I know yoeleo can custom make a deeper set with aluminum brake track

Approximately 2 weeks total from ordering to receiving it

Yes, I believe (but can’t remember) that you can request for oversize steerer models

Yes, Campagnolo carbon pads for Shimano blocks. I’ve used many brake pads in the past and have found these to be the best performance in dry and wet

@nightrider7474 I have tried a few carbon rims and campys have the best stopping power that i have tested. Good to know the hypers are great too.

Glad to know I’m not the only one who rates the campy pads! I haven’t used the Winspace in the pouring rain yet, but they are excellent in the dry so going by that they should be decent in the wet? I’ll report back first time I get caught in the rain (once a year at my rate!)

@@nightridercycling campagnolo wheels also have the best rim brake performance, i like them better than aluminum

I too have a pair of Fulcrum Racing Zero Carbon C17 (a bit older generation) but the braking is also very good on those. No idea if they have improved on them since but I can tell you the Schmolke are even better braking, Winspace about the same

Thanks ✌

Yeah the only reason why I haven’t bought the Torch 3.0 is because they don’t come in white!! 😜

Thanks for heads up! Lol I’ll be more careful in the wet if I ever get caught out

Haha I’ve had the opposite experience. I had latest generation 11spd Dura Ace di2 on my SL6 Tarmac with direct mount brakes and they were really really hard to actuate (needing more force to actuate). The SRAM Red with EE Brakes are feather light, 1 finger braking…

Hey mate, textured surface is 2014 tech! I owned and ran two most common textured braking surface wheelsets - Enve Gen 2 and Zipp Showstopper and both are terrible (esp in the wet!) compared to the newer tech Schmolke TLO and these new Winspace Hyper 2023’s. I have no idea what they put into the brake surface except that it’s a matte carbon finish that is untextured. Remember that the big western brands have stopped developing carbon rim brake since they are pushing discs since around 2019 so they have not progressed the tech since then. These smaller independent brands on the other hand have continued to develop rim brake. Another key example of lack of development: the lightest rim brake wheels that the big brands made Enve 3.4 SES with 2.0 brake track and Zipp 303 NSW for example weigh ~1350g and these new wheels are much deeper, much wider, tubeless compatible and are 1185g or in the case of Winspace same weight! That’s cause those other wheels are 10yr old tech. You can’t buy the big brand rim brake wheels new anymore anyway

@nightrider7474 I totally agree with lack of modern development. But, I do believe that those older high end wheels are superior. I have 40k miles on a Camoy rim brake wheelset. I have heard stories of the Winspace bubbling under braking due to, too much heat. I have never liked any carbon rim brakes in the wet and I heard those Gen 2 Enves were the best in the wet. So, interesting to hear your take... I wonder how the Winspace perform in the wet. Grooves or textured surface in theory sound much better in the wet than a smooth track.

The Enve and Zipp are ordinary in the dry let alone the wet. The Schmolke TLO are the new gold standard, I’ve ridden them in all conditions and they stop really really well even in downpour. Thanks for heads up on Winspace and heat. The Schmolke advertises super high temp resin as part of their features where as Winspace are silent on that. I’ll keep an eye out for it during long Aussie summer

I have the zipp 404 NSW carbon wheels and they’re just fine. My brake tracks are just fine. I run the Swiss top black prince brake pads and they stopped really good. Trek 2013 Madone p1 w/ Dura Ace 9000 . of course I would like to get a wider tire. It seems like your bike set up as a rim brake Cervelo , can accommodate a size 28C Tire. I don’t know if my frame would be able to handle that even if I upgraded the wheel set to what you have here. My zip wheels are just fast and roll so well I don’t really want to give them up just for a couple millimeters or so larger internal with with the new wheel set.

@ “Just fine” is just fine but I’m saying the newer wheels are “wow good” in comparison. I agree with you though the zipp’s are just fine, I’ve ridden them 30,000kms, but swapping bikes to the new wheels sets shows a huge and noticeable difference in braking power and modulation.

They come with new carbon pads in the box! Your 105 should be fine. I do however highly recommend Campagnolo Carbon pads for Shimano (they also make Campagnolo Carbon pads for Campagnolo, make sure to buy the right ones for Shimano!) as I’ve found these pads to be the best overall for stopping power even in the wet Also beware most older rim brake frames cannot accomodate wider tyres and wheels! If your bike can’t take at least 25mm tyres you may have problems fitting these wheels. The area of greatest concern is wheel and tyre clearance of the rear wheel down near the bottom bracket in between the chain stays. My Cervelo R5 can easily fit 28mm tyres and possibly even 30mm as there is heaps of clearance down there, most rim brake frames from 2017 or earlier have extremely tight clearances down there even on 25mm tyres with 17mm or less internal width wheelsets

@ currently maxed out at 28 on my 2007 specialized that I keep on tweaking :) Thx for the pointers!

No problems! I was going to say only two rim brake bikes I know of that can do 28mm, the other one being a Tarmac!

Which you reckon would be a better performing wheelset between the hypers vs the WTO rimbrake. If cost of the wheels were not taken into account.. Would like to hear your thoughts?

⁠The WTO 45 only have 19mm internal width, that would be the only downside to them. After 2 weeks of solid riding (400km or so) I’m sold on wider internal width! Handles so much better and running lower psi is the future!

Maximum rim brake widths for most brake callipers is 28mm outside width. The Winspace Lun Hypers are 27.6mm outer width. Although on my R5 there is heaps of space left, could probably go around 30mm max width. A 23-24mm inner width would be too wide for most rim brake bikes?

Probably…until we get rim brakes back and few mills here and there to increase these minuscule amounts we’re lookin for.

Hey Robb thanks for taking the time to write, yes I’ll be doing a long term review for these for sure, also some further details about installation and cable routing too which I really like about these bars! Here come the Chinese! Look out western brands!

Thanks for taking the time to write, avoid the DMT’s they are very narrow!

@@nightridercycling how wide are your feet?

@@DanTuber10 cm IIRC

Yeah I found it super difficult to try out the Nimbl shoes, had to just blindly order them and hope for the best. I think the DMT Pogi’s have a different heal cup that is padded so pretty sure it is better than the KR0’s which have near nil support. Thanks for heads up on Giro next year! Looks like l’ll be getting a new pair next year!

None of them have a huge range of adjustment, however only the DMT and Nimbl have sliding clear bolt holes. The giro shoes only have static holes. At a guess I’d say the nimbl goes further back. Dmt not suitable for wide feet anyway

I am currently just using the stock insole. I do usually need high arch insoles but for the first 2 weeks I’ve just run normal insoles and so far so good. I might swap over to giro insoles (I have many of those as each giro shoe comes with spare insoles) and see how that goes

Appreciate the shoe rundown nonetheless.

Thanks for taking the time to write. Yes Shimano have wide sizes but beware that on their top end models (RC903) they are wide in volume only, the sole part of the toe box is more or less identical in both wide and normal width shoes. This means the “width” is only extra material on their uppers in that area. Otherwise they are actually a super narrow shoe, I find them extremely uncomfortable, but my feet are strange! Cheers

@ That is a good point and exactly mirrors what my bike fitter told me. She said that “last” is the exact same as the standard size.

Both sets I have are TLO not SL. 1185g the set

@@nightridercycling Thank you for your reply! Do you happen to know the difference in terms of brake track between the TLOs and the SLs? Other than weight there seem to be the same. The web site don´t say much. I´ve reached out to Shmolke, but haven´t heard back from them.

Sorry I don’t k know about the SL’s. I would have to assume that if it is the same manufacturing process using carbon weave rather than traditional layup it would have the same brake track, except the TLO’s would have a higher modulus carbon and hence lighter? That’s just a guess though. I wouldn’t think Schmolke would make them worst!?

Also I let my disc brake equiped riding buddy try my rim brake R5 with TLO’s the other day and he remarked that the brakes were really really good! 🤦🏻‍♂️😆

Oh, wow. Thanks for the info. It helps.

Almost 30,000kms on them now, broke a spoke on the front wheel recently too. Other than that I have nearly zero brake track wear (I keep my bike pretty clean, seldom ride in the rain). Back wheels needed a tiny bit of truing. The DTSwiss 180EXP hubs are rock solid, zero issues. Overall excellent! I could see myself easily doing another 30,000km on these no issues. My one and only gripe is that they could be a little wider internal width to be totally modern and future proof. If you’re in the market for new rim brake wheels check out Winspace Hyper Lun R45 (no I’m not sponsored!) I think they may give these a run for their money even if they aren’t as light?

I got since 10000 to 15000 km no different since first day

@@Lillee1969 Thanks for the reply. I can get them with Carbon TI Hubs to replace Enve SES 4.5 with Chris King R45s, I found them okay but too expensive now to replace the bearings on them. I think I've done 10,000 miles on them now.

@@channelmce I have a second pair with Extralite hubs too, the DTSwiss 180 EXP hubs are excellent for high mileage and only 20-30g heavier

And a set of challange strada 27 tyres and in very comfortable all day long

I’ve done over 20,000km on them now and not a single issue. Brake surface like new. I’m running GP5000 clincher 28mm with tpu tubes, excellent

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