José María Luna
José María Luna
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In Defense of Queer Misery
Happy Pride! Wait no, I mean, Sad Pride!
We met our $900 goal! Oh my God, thank you all so much! This is crazy! With that amount, not only did we pay for the Fantasolab Screenwriting Lab, but we also have additional funds to start covering research and concept art commissions.
However, if you're still interested in sending in a tip for the video, I won't say no and would appreciate it immensely, but that's up to you! paypal.me/josemld or venmo.com/u/JoseMLuna
Other Video Essays:
Roger Rabbit and the Fall of Los Angeles Public Transit: th-cam.com/video/TVNR24ZaLHk/w-d-xo.html
Decolonizing Adventure: A Cinematic Road to El Dorado: th-cam.com/video/uD4gWOpSvyQ/w-d-xo.html
Encanto: One Hundred Minutes of Solitude: th-cam.com/video/bEWVb2tY9SY/w-d-xo.html
Walt Disney's Politics: Farthest Star to the Right?: th-cam.com/video/qcJHJhqx3J0/w-d-xo.html
The Ancestral Storytelling of Over the Garden Wall: th-cam.com/video/N9vbGjkpv_s/w-d-xo.html
How Movies Design Los Angeles: th-cam.com/video/uag8wzEJc1Y/w-d-xo.html
Wes Anderson: Style and Substance and Being Alive: th-cam.com/video/G0tcBHKMEnw/w-d-xo.html
Oppenheimer: Why Tell Stories of Great Bad Men: th-cam.com/video/qw6PXO3jWZM/w-d-xo.html
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SOURCES
BOOKS
-Kramer, Larry. “F*****s” (1978)
-Isherwood, Christopher. “A Single Man” (1964)
-Schulman, Sarah. “Let the Record Show: A Political History of ACT UP New York, 1987-1993” (2021)
FILM
-101 Dalmatians (1996), dir. Stephen Herek
-All About My Mother (1999), dir. Pedro Almodóvar
-All of Us Strangers (2023), dir. Andrew Haigh
-Anhell69 (2023), dir. Theo Montoya
-Beauty and the Beast (1991), dir. Gary Trousdale & Kirk Wise
-Bohemian Rhapsody (2018), dir. Bryan Singer
-Boy Erased (2018), dir. Joel Edgerton
-Call Me By Your Name (2017), dir. Luca Guadagnino
-Can You Ever Forgive Me (2018), dir. Marielle Heller
-Carol (2015), dir. Todd Haynes
-Dallas Buyers Club (2013), dir. Jean-Marc Vallée
-The Favourite (2018), dir. Yorgos Lanthimos
-Fire Island (2022), dir. Andrew Ahn
-Frozen (2013), dir. Jennifer Lee & Chris Buck
-Happiest Season (2020), dir. Clea DuVall
-Hedwig and the Angry Inch (2001), dir. John Cameron Mitchell
-Howard (2020), dir. Don Hahn
-I Killed My Mother (2009), dir. Xavier Dolan
-The Little Mermaid (1989), dir. John Musker & Ron Clements
-The Living End (1992), dir. Gregg Araki
-Love, Simon (2018), dir. Greg Berlanti
-Moonlight (2016), dir. Barry Jenkins
-The Normal Heart (2014), dir. Ryan Murphy
-Other People (2016), dir. Chris Kelley
-Pain and Glory (2019), dir. Pedro Almodóvar
-Philadelphia (1993), dir. Jonathan Demme
-Straight Up (2020), dir. James Sweeney
-The Whale (2022), dir. Darren Aronofski
SHOWS
-Angels in America
--"Millennium Approaches: Bad News" (2003) dir. Mike Nichols
--"Millennium Approaches: In Vitro" (2003) dir. Mike Nichols
--"Millennium Approaches: The Messenger" (2003) dir. Mike Nichols
-The Comeback, "The Comeback" (2003) dir. Michael Patrick King
-Love, Victor, "Welcome to Creekwood" (2020) dir. Amy York Rubin
-Open to It, "Open to Threesomes" (2022) dir. Greg Wolf
-The Other Two
--"Chase Gets the Gays" (2019) dir. Anu Valia
--"Chase Gets a Nosebleed" (2019) dir. Anu Valia
--"Chase Turns Fourteen" (2021) dir. Andrew DeYoung
--"Pat Connects with Her Fans" (2021) Chris Kelly
--"Pat Hosts Just Another Regular Show" (2021) dir. Chris Kelly
--"Pat Gets an Offer to Host “Tic Tac Toe”" (2021) dir. Mike Karnell
-Transparent
--"Pilot" (2014) dir. Joey Soloway
--"Symbolic Exemplar" (2014) dir. Joey Soloway
--"Kina Hora" (2015) dir. Joey Soloway
--"Man on the Land" (2014) dir. Joey Soloway
STAGE
-Angels in America, Tony Kushner
-Company, George Furth & Stephen Sondheim
-Fun Home, Lisa Kron & Jeanine Tesori
-The Normal Heart, Larry Kramer
PUBLICATIONS
-Turner, Kyle, "“I Could Understand a Person, If That Person Was a…” How Company Queers the Marriage Plot" The Brooklyn Rail. brooklynrail.org/2020/10/theater/I-Could-Understand-a-Person-If-That-Person-Was-a-How-Company-Queers-the-Marriage-Plot
-Weekes, Princess, "The Favourite & LGBTQ Representation in Period Dramas" The Mary Sue. www.themarysue.com/the-favourite-lgbtq-representation-period-dramas/
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  • @astrofritz48
    @astrofritz48 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Queer misery is also important because it reminds us and straight people in progressive areas that most queer people don’t experience a societal send of neutrality or positivity around their identity. I grew up in a place where being queer was fairly acceptable, and had friends identifying as queer as early as the sixth grade. There was still a portion (probably 30-35%) pf the population who openly disliked queer people and quite a bit of more passive aggressive bigotry, but the general sense was that it was ok, and that being queer was normal. This has led to a lot of my straight friends saying or doing things that indicated they did not understand that homophobia and transphobia are still massive issues in other regions of the world, outside of our isolated Pacific Northwest communities. Regularly I open TikTok and see queer people from other parts of the US, Latin America, MENA, East Asia, Africa, and Eastern Europe, and they are often very sad because they feel alone and are missing out on the chance to experience queer love prior to becoming an adult. I feel terrible for the people trapped in situations like this, and the last thing I would want to do is forget them in favor of some fantasy of complete acceptance and support for queer identity on a screen. I want queer joy, but I think queer sorrow is equally important to showcase.

  • @en_fairytopia
    @en_fairytopia 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pleeeease keep talking about Moulin Rouge 🙌💗💗

  • @bpblitz
    @bpblitz 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'd love to see an update or follow up to this with any more interpretations. Final fantasy xiv released an expansion in July that deals with afventurers talked to find the lost "city of gold"

  • @BeingBoringx2
    @BeingBoringx2 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm pushing 60 and I just love the 'in a perfect world' stories of Heartstopper, Love Victor, etc. in the same way that I love Disneyland and watching loving, happy gay vloggers travel (mostly to Disneyland) or live idyllic lives in some remote country. Although my favorite queer film will always be the original The Boys In The Band, well, the first 3/4 of it. (I don't need to see myself in Michael's breakdown every time.) Even though I work in a faux-liberal city with liberal people, mostly college-age, so much is a facade and I will never fit in. It's just more comforting to dream and live in these visions of a utopian society than the nightmare of reality. I'm not sure how much of this has to do with the video but it's the thoughts and feelings that it brought up in me.

  • @knockcare
    @knockcare 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    oh I love this work so much. I teared up a couple of times. Such a great work, just great thinkpiece. thank you for this

  • @aisiren9728
    @aisiren9728 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Idk if you read theses comment Jose. I've been seeing this vid in my recommended for weeks and only avoided it because I get tired of other queers talking about how tragic our lives are. I am admittedly very drunk tonight but also sobbing through every second. Giving voice to our tragedy is the only way to connect, and connection is the only way to heal. Thank you for posting this <3 I know I'm not the only sad faggot in the building tonight but I hope we all get what we deserve and that is peace.

  • @beanie2571
    @beanie2571 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you are so criminally underrated, i love this video sm

  • @alexanderthomas6474
    @alexanderthomas6474 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Loved this video, so well made and engaging TYSM! 💙

  • @rn1222
    @rn1222 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You would love Your Name Engraved Herein

  • @laramalanquini3124
    @laramalanquini3124 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    damn this video is really good

  • @holycrocs3670
    @holycrocs3670 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    can't wait to watch all of these

  • @gegemec
    @gegemec 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gay men with AIDS were often abandoned by the gay world. This happened particularly as gay men became exhausted by the epidemic. Let's not romanticise what happened. I was there, I had AIDS and when my health status became obvious, I was abandoned by one and many. The people who tended to stand by me were straight friends who were not exhausted and a few lesbian friends from a support group I had been a member of prior to my own health crisis. This was my story but was clearly the story of many. Don't be seduced by images of thousands on the streets of Melbourne, my home town, holding candles on !st December, or by what might occur in films like "Holding The Man". Homophobia does not stop with straight people, gay men and women are human too.

  • @EthanLemon-w2p
    @EthanLemon-w2p 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I do believe gay and queer experience is extremely different and the gap between them widens. It is because gay men for instance just like to have have sex with other men, whereas queer people question all the fundaments of human biology. This conditions the whole perception of the world, which has lots to do with feeling of misery. Gay men are mostly driven by best sexual fulfilment in partner, whereas queer people are not very sexual. Queer people focus on abstract concepts and ideas more, reaching the depths of abstraction gay people normally do not venture into. Because gayness is biological and queerness is cultural. I am gay and I am by no means queer, I would not have problem with being queer if I was, I am a man and I am very aware and connected to my body.

  • @JoshBroadhurst
    @JoshBroadhurst 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i absolutely love the background set decision. laying down in bed instead of sitting at a desk. it's so simple but so good. algorithmic nuance...

  • @linamunar8795
    @linamunar8795 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jajaja te pasaste con el montaje de viaje hasta Guatavita me encantó ❤

  • @vietotu3937
    @vietotu3937 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    thanks for the bed story

  • @aleacuna2794
    @aleacuna2794 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    gotta be honest, i'm just going to start asking white americans "oh, like John Kaczynski?" just to piss them off. what are they gonna do? try to steal the regions natural resources? AGAIN?????????

  • @Dykttatuobdidu
    @Dykttatuobdidu 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I want to live in this comment section

  • @TheNathansblog
    @TheNathansblog 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well tragedies have always existed in story telling

  • @faithfoolnessiguess
    @faithfoolnessiguess 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Joyland (2022) is the movie about queer misery. Never related to anything this much. Must watch!

  • @jeanbaptiste3408
    @jeanbaptiste3408 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Saw a movie called Between love and goodbye when I was a closeted teen, barely had access to any gay friendly content back in the 00' in fact ; well, talking about misery, this movie was excrutiating

  • @Gzeebo
    @Gzeebo 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As I hovered above him, he spoke eloquently about sadness and boredom and humanity, and it was compelling, but the one thing that bothered was how his hair looked.

  • @Someone55_
    @Someone55_ 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    can somone make a letterbox list with all the movies mention in this videoo??

  • @justmeajah
    @justmeajah 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And sadly, slum clearance mindset is still happening 😢

  • @justmeajah
    @justmeajah 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    WOW I FINISHED THIS ONE HOUR ESSAY. WOW. YET I WANT MORE. WOW. WOW. WOW. Lots of insights, questions, and thoughts you brought here. Kudos!

  • @SashaBazine-dt6kn
    @SashaBazine-dt6kn 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    stop saying queer when you mean gay. All the books in your thumbnail center around cis gay men

    • @earthjester
      @earthjester 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Huh? Did you watch the video? It covers more then just media centered around cis gay men? The thumbnail is meant to grab people's attention of course the author would use popular movie posters to help market the video? This is such a weird thing to nit pick.

  • @louissimonls63
    @louissimonls63 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So happy to have just discovered your channel. Thank you so much for this video, loved both the concept and content, so soothing and captivating. Beautiful work. 😊✨

  • @mrsticky005
    @mrsticky005 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In defense of The Temple of Doom The BEST Indiana Jones movie: The 'gross" food that the indigenous are eating are presented in two extremes. The extremely poor in the Indian village and the extremely wealthy in the palace where the Temple of Doom is hidden. The food is only "gross' from a matter of an outsiders perspective such as that of Willie Scott but the more seasoned adventurer Indiana Jones tolerates because as he points out the village is poor and even then they share what little they have. On the other hand the feast at the palace is with the Indian royalty and British eating rather extravagant and weird foods. While the poor are eating "gross" food in order to even survive the rich are eating "gross" food for the sheer spectacle of it. There is a bit of irony there. The movie shows the two extremes as a means of compare and contrast. I am not here to say the movie is above criticism because it's not nor can I speak to what offends other people but it's a favorite movie of mine because it is fun but also because it explores themes of friendship, courage, and compassion as well the doom in which greed inevitably leads to. I also suspect that the British in the movie were secretly involved with the Thugee cult and the child slave labor.

  • @justmeajah
    @justmeajah 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I thank algorithm for this wonderful video essay!

  • @eduardobalbuena3887
    @eduardobalbuena3887 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Out of curiosity, how comfortable was it to do this video from your bed?

    • @JoseMariaLuna
      @JoseMariaLuna 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Excellent question! First, I’m not actually on my full bed, I moved my mattress onto my coffee table because I live in a duplex and I could put the camera upstairs (no rig, so I can’t do it on my bed). Second, I had to hide a pillow under the one you do see so that I would be slightly raised and the angle on my face wouldn’t be weird. So it wasn’t actually comfortable at all.

  • @WhatWouldLubitschDo
    @WhatWouldLubitschDo 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not only an incredible essay, but a few of the the films and shows you recommended/mentioned are ones I’ve missed up until now an am excited to check out. My thoughts on the essay haven’t finished settling yet, but figured I’d comment for the algorithm even if I don’t have much to add to the conversation 😂

  • @baddog...---...
    @baddog...---... 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love this video so much! thank you for making it, it really put into words how i feel about the alienation i have in the queer community

  • @clarebeforebreakfast5044
    @clarebeforebreakfast5044 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    26:18 ayyyy my brother was in my hometown’s adaption of Fun Home when he was 11. I’m glad he had that representation at that age. He’s still only 14 now, so we don’t know yet if he needed it, but I’m glad he had it.

  • @ekremsar5398
    @ekremsar5398 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Even though there is more acceptance in some countries we, people from not so accepting countries, still live in misery not being able to see our struggles in the media. Yes, joy is beautiful and needed but I generally fail to see a part in me in that while I struggle to express myself or even just be for myself, the joy that I feel is only for others. Queer misery is part of the queer heritage, coming from the past that will never be forgotten, or an experience of the past that some of us still go through. Queerness is beautiful with its misery, confusion, anger, and joy that creates queer history, art, and community. Eventually, I think that's how we are who we are.

  • @lilyk3734
    @lilyk3734 หลายเดือนก่อน

    curls look good no matter what. don't worry about it

  • @erik_carter_art
    @erik_carter_art หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is such a fantastic video. I'm obsessed with books that tell tragic gay stories. I don't know why. Maybe I should see a therapist. But some of my favorite books in this vein are: Giovanni's Room by James Baldwin, Call Me By Your Name by Andre Aciman, Dancer From The Dance by Andrew Holleran, What Belongs to You by Garth Greenwell, On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous by Ocean Vuong, Dream Boy by Jim Grimsley, The Words That Remain by Stenio Gardel, A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara.

    • @erik_carter_art
      @erik_carter_art หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh, I just got to the end of the video where you mention your Science Fiction concept. In addition to tragic gay stories, I'm also obsessed with sci-fi, specifically Mars colonization stories. 😆(seriously!). I would highly recommend, if you haven't read it already, Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy (Red Mars, Green Mars, and Blue Mars). It's often considered his magnum opus and one of the best Mars colonization sci-fi stories. I'd also recommend Luna by Ian McDonald (though I admit, I haven't read it just yet). It explores political dynamics of the ruling family dynasties on our colonized Moon, mainly focusing on the Corta family which hails from Brazil. Granted, neither of these stories are written by Latin American authors, they're both white guys, but still they might trigger some stylistic or plot inspiration. :)

    • @JoseMariaLuna
      @JoseMariaLuna หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh thank you so much for these! We appreciate it a lot!

  • @amazingspiderlad
    @amazingspiderlad หลายเดือนก่อน

    The way I see it at least, the main problem is that the vast majority of media about queer joy is just boring, plain and simple. There seems to be a misconception that queer joy has to be wholesome, fluffy and ultimately sanitised. Maybe it's just the fact that I never got to have the neat and tidy little cis gay experiences that are portrayed in stuff like heartstopper, but I personally will always find way more queer joy in something like the Rocky Horror Show, because even though only two out of its 5-ish explicitly queer characters survive, at least they get to be interesting and have conflict beyond "Oh no, what if people are mean to us for being gay?"

  • @KnijMagz
    @KnijMagz หลายเดือนก่อน

    I watched the whole thing. I definitely agree with your take and love to see diverse storylines about the good, the bad, and the ugly when it comes to LGBTQ+ film. I saved this video.

  • @flipinchicago
    @flipinchicago หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hola parce, me encantó (GET IT?!) este vídeo

  • @hugosavstrom4548
    @hugosavstrom4548 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not me reacting insanley fast to a random gr#ndr notification sound

  • @hugosavstrom4548
    @hugosavstrom4548 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As a teenage gay I had a period when I watched a lot of gay movies and series, which made me depressed. Since then I have not watched any of that shit, because being gay is so much more than tragedy and life's hard enough already without these movies/series exaggerating that. I'd like to see more realistic portrays of life as a gay, with the ups and downs, without being super fit or a socialite

  • @hugosavstrom4548
    @hugosavstrom4548 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Babbyyyy you seem so lovely and very handsome. The intro to this video made me sad. I wish there was a way to show off our personalities more on these shitty dating apps, not just torso photos and cringe travel photos. That's why I prefer to socialise with gays in bars/clubs, because then you see the "complete" person.

  • @dariang4725
    @dariang4725 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Red White and Royal Blue was absolutely awful. I must admit i dont watch gay media, and this movie reminded me why. Nowhere near an accurate representation of gay men in relationships. Its corny, and unrealistic in the same way heart stopper is You could swap out the main characteds as women, and you wouldnt even notice. I dont mind women writing gay media. I can just always tell when they do.

  • @nyctori
    @nyctori หลายเดือนก่อน

    my two favorite musicals are the rocky horror show and falsettos (ft in trousers) ....you know how it is((there are two wolves)))

  • @Bizarro69
    @Bizarro69 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like people just forgot about how queer artists were the Masters of transgressive cinema, Literature, and art. Genres like dark Fiction were some of the few places where you'd see actual queer representation. So there's a rich history in this field, and I understand those who have been trying to lighten things up, but I don't think abandoning that rich history helps.

  • @gonderage
    @gonderage หลายเดือนก่อน

    the greg heffley gay misery fanfic is the one that hit me the hardest

  • @joaogoiano100
    @joaogoiano100 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can you make a video about queer suffering and not talk about Gregg Araki and fellow travelers?

    • @JoseMariaLuna
      @JoseMariaLuna หลายเดือนก่อน

      But I do talk about Gregg Araki? I haven’t had time to watch Fellow Travelers, though

  • @michaelenglish1992
    @michaelenglish1992 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So glad you included Tangerine. I lived in LA for a year and Tangerine is SO LA to me. (the streets and lighting not the hookin')

    • @JoseMariaLuna
      @JoseMariaLuna หลายเดือนก่อน

      The color in the movie is exactly correct for LA

  • @michaelenglish1992
    @michaelenglish1992 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic essay. I wish God's Own Country could have been included.

    • @JoseMariaLuna
      @JoseMariaLuna หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! And I should rewatch it because I haven’t seen it since it came out