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It shows his character and how much of empathetic soul Lyle is. I'm so frustrated that media either portrays him soulless or aggressive when he is not
A LOT was put on Lyle. Poor guy.
Lyle needs to fight back 😮
Well, considering that he can't remember a lot about the day wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he wasn't planning to unalive his parents? Maybe fear, sleep deprivation, and paranoia, about their parents attacking, them led to the events on Aug 20, 1989. Not money.
Pam is a Ghoul and a Demon, cut from the same cloth as the judge, Oziel, and Jose
I think Erik was always the more aggressive personality, he just had a codependent relationship with Lyle, where he had learned helplessness. In a way it was good they weren't housed together, cuz Lyle would've prolly been shanked and died trying to protect Erik from bullies, and in the end, Erik would have ended up alone anyway. Sometimes, the worse things are the best things.
You know funny you said that I thought the same thing lol
Tbh, i feel like It wasn’t the relationship with Lyle, is was because of the abuse that he had suffered from with his parents that made him feel helpless, or maybe he did feel that way with Lyle but mainly he didn’t feel helpless if that makes sense?
@ptrpan61 a short compilation of the Menendez moms abuse.
Lol look at him smile y'all so gorgeous 😍🥰
She hates 😢both of her kids that's shame they don't know what is was like to have a mother hold him and kiss him and to say honey mommy loves you she did NONE OF THAT
The prosecution really thought they had their "gotcha moment" with the anti-social nonsense 😂
With a childhood like his, her needling questions were not going to break him. He had been prepped for this his whole life, if she was a better listener she would have heard him talk about the pop quizzes at dinner every night.
Not knowing is often used to avoid saying what they dont want to say. But it could also be that they cannot truly remember every thought in every minute on a day three years ago. Certain things stick in the mind more then others in a stressful fearful situation. Without knowing the questions he is asked, its not possible to judge which it is
I love you Lyle and Erik Menendez 🥺🙏❤️
he was also terrible sick during the cross examination with that evil Pamela
She’s only mad that she lost, so much so she said she talked about shooting the brothers and Leslie with the other prosecutor. Just a sick and bitter woman who’d rather defend child predators over abuse victims.
Poor baby Lyle! He was so stressed and tired, yet he was respectul and kind! ❤️🩹 Pamela was so annoying! I can't even stand her voice.
They are practically the same age and he called her ma'am 😂
I think he a,so did the butt exam 🤣🤣
Ah, Jose was definitely selling the photos. Erik shooting Jose is an interesting theory, but also I kind of doubt that Lyle just changed his shoes.
That comment about Lyle not being able to vet friends b/c he was never able to make friends is the truth! He was never going to be able to choose decent people, he was a sitting duck, poor baby 😢
Esa mujer es insoportable Se abuso sicologicamente de estos jóvenes Asco 🤮
Oh Lyle ! 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔 I'm praying for your release 🙏
Jill was such a good lawyer for Lyle ❤
whenever Erik wants to talk about lyle he ut a little smile on his face. I think its cute
They both spoke to the brothers like they were little kids. Her condescending voice and raised eyebrows. Lyle & Erik NEVER lost their tempers even when provoked by them.
Their situation was very complicated💔
How could anyone not like Lyle. He is such a sweetie. I love his laugh and smile.
Where is this info from? Book? Prison call?
@@mackat7865 Norma's book.
Omg I am following this case more than 5 years and of course it feels like there is more and more, but these statements twisted my mind. I was always thinking about José's words "why can't you be like your brother", after first violence at age 11. At that time Lyle was 13-14, I always wondered what did that mean. Of course I was sure abuse continued longer than Lyle said but not so long. But know it make sense, Lyle agreed and didn't consider that relationship with Jose as AS. José's words make sense too, Lyle was doing same thing better and Jose didn't like when Erik cried (can not imagine). But even if Lyle agreed, how long did it continue, what does lyle's words mean about calabasa house's shower. There are more questions than answers 💔
@@Mery07770 kitty preferred Erik and didn't hate him. That's what she meant with "Why can't you be like your brother"
@hellomynameis3031 no Jose told Erik after he &#+£+# in his mouth at the age 11
Yes Joses words were haunting and when i first heard them from Erik i had to pause the video. I was sick to my stomach cuz he was comparing the brothers and their compliance to his abuse. Lyles abuse from his father lasted a lot longer and I wouldnt say he agreed to the abuse but didnt fight back or cried like Erik which is sad because Lyles compliance was just survival. Lyles comments about the Calabasas bathtube were horrifying and there was no follow up to it. And it makes me think Jose was filming whatever was going on in the bathroom/showers.
People ...Who is Pam ......???
@@MaryRoss-lk4kc the prosecutor
NO SOPORTO A ESA MUJER PAM !!! NEFASTA ... MALA MUJER, MAL SER HUMANO
How embarrassing for her lol
In the tape with Oziel: "I, I feel that- I have a lot of anger toward my relatives, my uncles, my aunts, my uncle Carlos and Aunt Terry, who knew about what was happening to my mother and did nothing. I just think that they were cowards, that what Erik and I did took courage beyond belief, beyond, beyond strength." "And you know, I, I feel angry toward my relatives. Why didn't you do something when you knew what was going on and I didn't, and you know, when I found out, you know, I did something about it." Makes me wonder what he thought the family knew. I don't think he's talking about the mother's unhappiness. That was not something that he took care of as soon as he found out, I don't think. Didn't he know about the su!c!de ideations and affairs for years?
"There's nothing anyone else can do, and she- and she very much doesn't want anyone else to know. Doesn't want me to go to her uncle Brian or- if I look back I wish I would have done, and just said- I mean I feel like if I would have said to Uncle Brian, this is the situation, he would have done something." Heartbreaking that this is the one family member he wished he'd gone to.
I think it was established that when Lyle talked about his mother on the Oziel tapes, who he really meant was his brother, wasn't it? I'm not sure about this... I'm not even halfway through the trial yet, so I haven't been able to fact check it.
@thebluemoonlady I heard that was Dr. Burgess's theory, and at times, it makes sense. I have so many questions I would have asked, and I wish Oziel had been more observant, but I think he had a very specific end goal with this and wasn't concerned about the truth.
@@thereellifewithjenniferwoods Yeah, I have loads of questions without answers too. I wouldn't count on anything coming from Oziel though. He is totally unreliable and unprofessional. I would say criminal...
@thebluemoonlady Wouldn't be surprised if he knew a lot more than he admitted. But who knows... Some interesting spots in the Dec 11 transcript are when Erik says he had no choice to kill them because it was ruining his life without saying what it is; the part where Lyle says his mother told him he was fabricating stuff about the father; the part where Lyle said he used to cry when his dad told him he loved him because of the "usual thing"; Erik says he must have loved his father or else why was something happening; Lyle says he thought the murder would never happen and that it was done quickly (doesn't sound planned to me); and the two days he gave Erik to sleep on it were probably the two nights after they bought the guns, indicating to me that they weren't bought as a result of a plan and that the thoughts of actually using them were a normal response to just having bought the guns in self-defense. In fact, Erik says in the second trial that Lyle asked him on that Fri if he could use the guns in defense and to think on it, so that lines up with what is said on the tape. These are thoughts I had that Oziel could have clarified. I wonder what Erik meant by not being able to wait a week even though Lyle wanted to. Oziel quoted him on that and Vicary redacted a similar note of his own on that. I wish someone could clarify that.
everything they said here has crossed my mind, Kitty and Lyle was a relationship and what's more I think that Jose and Kitty sexually abused Lyle at the same time, I also think that Erik is manipulative and was the one who convinced Lyle and Erik shot Jose, but it's all speculation and personal ideas.
Who gave her her degree 😂
Everything that’s being said are nothing but lies just to make erick and Lyle look 👀 bad period and yes lots of things was going on between erick and Lyle parents and what else the family knew but erick and Lyle were sexually abused by their dad and abused by there mommy
Dont act like you are some expert you cant even spell Eriks name correctly. None of this is to make them look bad these are just random theories that SUPPORTERS on reddit have. Everyone who posted on this thread wants them out of prison and sees them as victims. They all watched the trial and read the books. Chill.
I don’t agree with all this erick is not a manipulating person at all this sounds like bs
these are just theories from random Reddit users. you dont have to agree with them nobody is saying its the truth.
Wow! Reading all these theories makes my head a little messy! How many more secrets can there be in this story with the brothers than we already know about? How much more evidence?... It never ends with this case
I bet Pam was that annoying teachers pet in school. You know, the one student eager to please the teacher and be the best of the best student. Thinks she's smarter then everyone else. Yet has no clue how annoying she is.☺️
👍😅😆
This is what is called grasping at straws! Because the prosecution was struggling to prove all of their theories! The defense kicked butt and the brothers testimonies could not be denied! Genuine, honest, and to the point! The defense should have won this case back then. If it weren't for 6 bias (males don't get SA by fathers) jurors between both juries!
Precisely. This case should have been a win for the defense from Trial 1.
Omg.. this is too sad..those poor boys..with a mother like that😪😪😪😪free them please🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I think Erik would let Lyle get the blame for the close-up shots because he let Lyle get involved in the killings even though it was Erik's problem not Lyle's.
Sounds strange!😮
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Lyle has always done his best to be honest on the stand. He and Erik did am amazing job of surviving their hellhole and then telling the world about it knowing some people would not understand how they could love their parents and yet be so afraid of them that night causing them to grab those shotguns.
It doesn't occur to her at all that he's just not the monster she's trying so hard to paint him to be. I have NEVER heard a prosecutor cpmplain about people's prepared testimony .
@@Nicoletta13 she was desperate for a win. It wouldn't have matter how much evidence the defense had. Even if a video of the SA (Lyle wishes there was) was available, she'd still find some way to disprove it! She's obsessed with them and the prosecution's narrative still to this day
EVERYONE is coached before their testimony ..🙄
Lyle was definetly more fragile than Erik, experts say he was and that he would need life long therapy for it and especially since he hasnt fully shared what happened to him. His tame version was horrible so i can only imagine what he left out. I do believe the abuse from his father went on longer than he said. Eriks details about his abuse was nauseating so i can see why Lyle held back on giving explicit details from both parents abuses, he was probably mentally protecting himself. Theres was probably way more evidence such as photos and recordings than what was presented. Ive always found it weird that only 2 nude photos were found. I think the grandmother destroyed the evidence since Erik said she took over the house and the parents things besides Kittys personal papers which Lyle said he took in order to protect her. Jose as definitely distributing the pictures of the boys to other freaks like him like the manager from Menudo. Lyle and Erik were both disturbed to know that photos were taken of them and im sure they were sickened to know that it was possibly given to others. The comment about Lyle being scared of the new Calabasas home bathtube and the sex scenes for it always disturbed me because there was no follow up to it. This tells me that horrible things were happening in the showers. I think there is a strong possibility that Erik made the final shot to Jose but since everyone assumed that Lyle did it, no one really cared to know the truth. Erik was more mentally fragile regarding that moment which is understandable. Lyles testimony regarding this is telling because he is sure he did the final shot to his mother but not his father and he just assumes he did it. He was probably taking the fall to protect his brother. I mean its entirely possible that he was so consumed with anger that he could have done the final shot to his father but i have a feeling that he didnt.
Wait what did the judge say at the end? I didnt hear
He’s allowed to prepare Pam 🙄 use your common sense Pam
If she was listening then Lyle says that his dad put him in really high pressure situations all the time. He was quizzed by a far scarier, far more intimidating person than Pam.