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Dagbjørn Syrstad
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2012
Best pellets for my FX Impact MKII .177 (4,5mm) w/power plenum
Testing 5 different brands with different weight and shape to figure out which are the best for my FX Impact MK II .177 w/power plenum (factory setting). There was a slight breeze coming from the left that day, but the results would probably give an indication of what to use and not to use. If anybody have any suggestions on pellets to try or have different results than me, please leave a comment. Other than that i hope you find this experiment helpful, and if you do, please hit a thumbs up.
Thank you for watching!
This is the results and ranking I got after testing:
1 FX Airguns 0,547g 8,44gr Group size:12mm
2 GAMO TS-10 Long distance 0,68g 10,49gr Group size:15mm
3 JSB PREDATOR POLYMAG SHORTS 0,520g 8,02gr Group size:15,8mm
4 H&N Baracuda Hunter 0,68g 10,49gr Group size:16,2mm
4 JSB HEAVY DIABOLO 0,670g 10,34gr Group size:16,2mm
5 JSB DIABOLO 0,547g 8,44gr Group size:17,3mm
6 H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme 0,62g 9,57gr Group size:18mm
7 H&N Sniper Magnum 0,97g 15,00gr Group size:20mm
8 H&N Baracuda Power Copper plated 0,69g 10,65gr Group size:21,5mm
9 GAMO Expander Expansion 0,49g 7,56gr Group size:27mm
10 JSB EXPRESS DIABOLO 0,510g 7,87gr Group size:27,4mm
11 JSB PREDATOR POLYMAG 0,518g 8,00gr Group size:28,6mm
12 GAMO Pro Magnum penetration 0,49g 7,56gr Group size:29mm
13 H&N Sniper Medium 0,55g 8,49gr Group size:29,4mm
14 H&N Crow Magnum 0,57g 8,80gr Group size:32,7mm
15 JSB BEAST DIABOLO 1,050g 16,20gr Group size:33mm
16 GAMO Pro Match Competition 0,49g 7,56gr Group size:34,7mm
16 H&N Crow Magnum 0,60g 9,26gr Group size:34,7mm
17 JSB RS DIABOLO 0,475g 7,33gr Group size:36,3mm
18 GAMO Red Fire Energy 0,51g 7,87gr Group size:46mm (At first glance it looks like a fine group with 1 bad pellet. So I tried several rounds and there was always one or two strays.)
19 GAMO Pro Magnum penetration 0,51g 7,87gr Group size:57,3mm
20 Oztay Diabolo Dome 0,547g 8,44gr Group size:78,3mm
21 H&N Rabbit Magnum II 1,02g 15,74gr Group size: All over the place. I believe the Rabbit are safe!
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Thank you for watching!
This is the results and ranking I got after testing:
1 FX Airguns 0,547g 8,44gr Group size:12mm
2 GAMO TS-10 Long distance 0,68g 10,49gr Group size:15mm
3 JSB PREDATOR POLYMAG SHORTS 0,520g 8,02gr Group size:15,8mm
4 H&N Baracuda Hunter 0,68g 10,49gr Group size:16,2mm
4 JSB HEAVY DIABOLO 0,670g 10,34gr Group size:16,2mm
5 JSB DIABOLO 0,547g 8,44gr Group size:17,3mm
6 H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme 0,62g 9,57gr Group size:18mm
7 H&N Sniper Magnum 0,97g 15,00gr Group size:20mm
8 H&N Baracuda Power Copper plated 0,69g 10,65gr Group size:21,5mm
9 GAMO Expander Expansion 0,49g 7,56gr Group size:27mm
10 JSB EXPRESS DIABOLO 0,510g 7,87gr Group size:27,4mm
11 JSB PREDATOR POLYMAG 0,518g 8,00gr Group size:28,6mm
12 GAMO Pro Magnum penetration 0,49g 7,56gr Group size:29mm
13 H&N Sniper Medium 0,55g 8,49gr Group size:29,4mm
14 H&N Crow Magnum 0,57g 8,80gr Group size:32,7mm
15 JSB BEAST DIABOLO 1,050g 16,20gr Group size:33mm
16 GAMO Pro Match Competition 0,49g 7,56gr Group size:34,7mm
16 H&N Crow Magnum 0,60g 9,26gr Group size:34,7mm
17 JSB RS DIABOLO 0,475g 7,33gr Group size:36,3mm
18 GAMO Red Fire Energy 0,51g 7,87gr Group size:46mm (At first glance it looks like a fine group with 1 bad pellet. So I tried several rounds and there was always one or two strays.)
19 GAMO Pro Magnum penetration 0,51g 7,87gr Group size:57,3mm
20 Oztay Diabolo Dome 0,547g 8,44gr Group size:78,3mm
21 H&N Rabbit Magnum II 1,02g 15,74gr Group size: All over the place. I believe the Rabbit are safe!
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Do I need other Magazines for hunting pellets?
Hi @lukashartmann1734😊 All the pellets i used in this test fitted perfectly in the magazine👍 But what kind of pellets do you mean by "Hunting Pellets"?
Set to sub 12 for the UK might of been better ??...good job putting the video together.😊
ok... how to grease a sealed bearing without removing it from the part?
Just use a pick and take the shield off
sonra bir daha takama....
The test would have been much more accurate if you had tested the pellets between 750-900 fps, because at this speed (1000 fps) the slugs are usually shot at a distance of 50-100 meters. Good luck on your next test.🙃
you can just take the clip off that's holding the shield lol
Ulan gerzek klipsi olmayan rulmanlardan haberin yok mu?
Some of the comments segest, just take the seal out with small screwdriver Wash out and refill maks 50% to prevent oveheatin Observe the damage on the removed seals Usually very limmited Just bend the shape back Bearings that has run dry or seazed are scrap Better to do maintenance in time
The powder of steel will stay inside, damage bearing.
I think i get all the shavings out since the drillbit is magnetized 😉
HECK NO! Metal shavings? Hole in the seal?
I think i get all the shavings out since the drillbit is magnetized 😉
First thing s first you shoot diabolos with way too much speed!! Sec. Gamo diabolos are garbage and they can ruin your liner
@SHOOTER3258 Since this video was posted, I have learned a lot about what you mention regarding power, speed etc. But you mention that Gamo pellets can ruin the liner, where have you found this info?
Hey i want to buy this gun for shooting thiefs coming to our farm !should i go for this ?
Hi, I would take a look at this channel to get more info regarding "thief's" on farms ;-) www.youtube.com/@AirArmsHuntingSA
Everyone shoots 177 "pellets" too fast. You can clearly see the slower speeds are best on the lighter pellets. 1.At 800 to 900 fps, there is enough retained speed at 30 meters to fully deform the pellet if it hits a steel plate, so it will not do any better kill performance at a higher speed. 2.Tune the gun to the pellet, to have a shorter pulse of higher pressure air.. This is to A, seat the skirt better, B, give faster acceleration down the barrel, C create a lower air pressure in the barrel when the pellet has reached the end of the barrel so as not to de-stabilise the pellet on exit by giving it a kick in the arse with a gust of high pressure air..... 3. If your target shooting, then you want accuracy rather than killing power. Paper and plinking targets will all get hit with enough force to punch a neat hole at 800 fps. 4. If your targets are moving, i.e. Rats or pigeons in pest control, you range will be a variable.. So you need a pellet that is really stabilised as it leaves the barrel, not one that has been de-stabilised as it has left the barrel by a pulse of air that was still moving faster than the pellet. If the pellet is still stabilising at 10 meters, then at that range you have no accuracy... 5. By having a shorter but higher pressure pulse of air, there is less work for the silencer to do if you are using one. But even without one the rifle will quieter.. 6. By using a pressure pulse absorbing moderator, rather than a chicane type moderator, you can have increased accuracy ( over not using anything) and a really quiet rifle. 7. A smaller pulse of higher pressure is going to use less air, so you have a better shot count. Surely this is want you ought to be looking for... Accuracy over a larger spread of distances. A quieter shot. Sufficient power to do the job without destroying the target or what ever is behind it.. But too many have the Jeremy Clarkson mentality.... MORE POWER.!!!!!! If you think that way then buy a bigger gun, or use a handgrenade to clear out that barn full of rats... Lots of damage and noise... Just look at all the idiot videos of people shooting PELLETS at 950 plus fps, and the rubbish results they get.... The slow motion videos actually show the pellets de-stabilised in flight.. OK if your trying to demolish a brick wall with tiny bits of lead... But for everything else start shooting well below the speed of sound (that de-stabilises the pellet) and tune the rifle to give a shorter but higher pressure pulse rather than a longer squirt of more air. It's that simple... Cpmwasp.
Thank you very much for an in-depth explanation of the physics behind pellets, pellet speed and impact force. Since this video was posted, I have learned a lot about what you mention. Especially after watching a lot of Mr. Dubber (www.youtube.com/@AirArmsHuntingSA/about) Hopefully, in the future, I will make a new video that takes account of the discharge speed of the different types of pellets. Just want to mention that in Norway it is not legal under any circumstances to shoot animals with caliber .177
You don't have to drill a hole in the shield and risk getting the last bit of cuttings inside the bearing. The shield also has a hole in now, which kind of defeats the purpose of a shield. You can clean the bearing simply by submerging and rotating. Grease easily pass through the gap between the shield and the race so any simple setup with drilled wood or whatever that allows you to pump grease through the bearing will work. There's already a video th-cam.com/video/i0EXxlIetdA/w-d-xo.html of a guy who's done that. He uses his little drilled wooden block to blow compressed air through the bearing after submerging in solvent, then once it's clean, pumps grease through. He first used a vacuum to suck grease through LOL, but finished with a grease gun.
Thank you very much for your input and link, smart way to do it :) For my use, the bearing i have done this with are placed in a sealed compartment, if you know what i mean. The drilled hole is in the back of the bearing holder, which is sealed as i mentioned. I think i get all the shavings out since the drillbit is magnetized, but i could not be a 100% sure of that off course. But after over 1 year of use in my drill and vacuum-cleaner it is still working flawlessly ;-)
How about grinding(filing) out with tiny carbide bit until it has thinned up enough so a tiny hole can be pierced with a pointy awl...problem with filings getting into bearing solved...
Good job nice work
Thank you very much :-D
Great video,..congrats 🎉
Thank You very much! Love your channel😃
@@grumpy_old_man 👍🍻🫂
Go slow, keep heat build up to a minimum, put a gob of high temp bearing grease on the drill, it will capture the chips jus fine. Clearly this is a temp fix of a non-critical failure point (no loss of money or injury).
What is the point? Now you have a greased but worthless bearing. Could have saved the time and effort and just tossed it in the scrap metal bin. Some people are too dangerous to be allowed near power tools, but they are funny sometimes.
Still working flawlessly in my electric drill and Kirby😉 But you probably have other experience?
The pont is on some ocassions, maybe not this one.. when you cannot EXTRACT THE BEARING because the manufacturer decide to work against you, then you have NOTHING TO LOOSE to EXTEND the life on a bearing!
You just killed that bearing
Still working flawlessly in my electric drill and Kirby😉
Fucking idiot uses drill and gets micro fragments of metal in the bearing
You have probably never heard of gravity and magnetic drill bits 😉 I wonder who is the "fucking idiot"😂
Rigged up my equipment in a big greenhouse and tested the Rabbit Magnum myself.. approx 60m. I took one shot and didnt look at that package no more, think it hit like 1,5m away in 60m and damn nearly broke the heating system.. Haha.
Haha, yes the Rabbit Magnum are useless for the FX series i belive. I tested it with my Crown also with the same horrible result. I wonder if there is any airguns that have a adequate result with these pellets???
@@grumpy_old_man I dont think they have the properties to stabilize in any gun actually. Saw it reviewed some other place, and the person proclaimed that this pellet/slug is made to demonstrate how even an airgun can shoot through 3 cm of wood.. Haha.
could use a tack welder (used to make battery packs) to seal the hole with a little piece of metal
Great!°
Thank you 👍
What a nice man I would be concerned with happened to the metal shavings from the drilled hole being stuck in the chamber with the bearings. Where did they go please?
I have not yet experienced that metal shavings have entered the ball bearing. So how it affects the ball bearing I do not know. But as long as you drill holes from the underside, gravity will do its thing and the metal shavings will fall down. But you can also put a small magnet on the drillbit and the metal shavings will stick to the drillbit. I hope this was helpfull.
how many joules does the FX impact mk2 .177?
www.krale.shop/us/airgun-calculator
I am afraid that the Grease will drain due to heat from the same hole.
I thought so too at first, but after 1 year of using our Kirby vacuum cleaner (which is used a couple of times a week) there was virtually no leakage of Grease. So I recommend you try it and judge for yourself after using it for a while. But of course it also depends on the quality of the grease you use.
It that's the case then grease would drain from the gap between the shield and the race. Shielded bearings are not sealed bearings. Many bearing greases are rated for high temperature running and that's why they get called high temperature bearing grease (HTB). They don't simply "melt" and run out.
i would say, get the gun looked at. or, your trigger finger. sorry but it should be way better at 25 mtrs..
Hi stuart surkit, well i have not claimed that i am a marksman and I belive the gun is ok. But do you have better results with your FX impact and with what sort of pellets? I would appreciate to know your results?
Thanks for comparing your stock of pellets. No roses without thorns, you should have made the comparison at a fixed speed of around 275 m / s (900 FPS) instead and let the weight of the pellets determine how fast it flies. It will then also take longer to produce the video. 👌
@TheLandbo It is quite time consuming and i have not had the time to play around with different power settings, but it is planned ;-)
Try jsb monster redesigns around 900fps.
Thank you for your input stillair1 👍 Is this experience with the same rifle and caliber? And how was the grouping?
@@grumpy_old_man Hi this was with a custom rapidMK2 fitted with an FX stx barrel, half inch group at 55yds. 30fps faster and the groups opened up. Still experimenting.
@@stillair1 Impressive😳 I will absolutely follow up your suggestion on the JSB Monster Redesign! Thanks again for your input, i really appreciate it👍
@@grumpy_old_man Check out Aim Small channel too. 16gr beasts showed some promise, but I can't drive them fast enough at the mo as I don't have the power adjustment of the m3.
Do you mean the JSB BEAST DIABOLO 16,20gr?
Umm..I drilled but when thru the whole thing...wut to do?
Hi tigerbalm, I am really sorry to hear that. Did it go straight through and out on the other side? If so, I believe your bearing is beyond repair. You have used to much force when drilling. Be very delicate and you will feel when the drill penetrates the shield and stop the drill at once when you feel it. I hope this was helpful?
Yeah...hold the bearing in YOUR HAND while you drill through the cover!!! Sheesh!
Yeah, I should probably have worn a helmet and safety shoes :-)
@@grumpy_old_man did you engage your safety squints while drilling sir? I hope so.
..have you ever use a hand drill? Is not for faint heart.. it can even twist your hand; badly; Hilti one... Let our author show us more risky business.
Excellent job. If you fall, you fall on all the cut branches wich will soften the impact. I have done the same when i was young . Much higher tree. Cut from top down with handsaw. Only using straps for safety.
hello Dagbjorn. I did this today as you instructed. Works perfect. You are a genius. Thanks.
Thank you very much Markus, that was very nice to hear! I am glad you found this trick helpful :-)
@@grumpy_old_man It was impossible to remove the bearing. Old parts. Now i can use this wheel longer.
If drilling a hole into a bearing instead of simply popping the seal off is what you call genius, I would not want to visit your village.
Why don't you just blow air around the gap between the inner race and the tin seal like I do?they pop right out. Even if it distorts it a bit,the tin can be straightened with your thumb. P.S; never fill full because at high speeds it will not only swell and fly out,but you don't want heat transfer. I rebuilt all the tuthill fillrite pumps,12v.and 110v.for an oil co. for 22 years. Had good results.
Thank you very much for your input John Wade. I have tried a couple of times to pop the metal shield but found it hard to get it to stick and stay in place, therefore the drill operation ;-) Regarding the "overfilling" of grease, i will keep that in mind! I have "regreased" a couple of drills, a grinder, a multi saw and our trusty old Kirby vacuum cleaner. So far i have had no issues and the equipment is running smoothly :-)
It was best review for mk2! But in my experience 1.77 cal is much better at 820-900 fps
Thank you "Eagle Eyes"! I have not come around to test the different pellets with different power settings, but it is planned ;-)
How would you know that you didn't hit one of those ballbearings with the drill bit
By being extremely careful ;-) The shield is reasonably soft and easy to penetrate but the balls are extremely hard and will slip away when you penetrate with the drill. But you should barely penetrate the shield. I have not yet managed to make a scratch on the balls by doing this, unless the ball bearing is completely fixed without the possibility of rotating.
t was a very good test. Thank you. If you do a 50 meter test, it will be more useful information.
I will probably be back with more tests ;-)