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Thank you for this delightfull trip down memory lane. FF9 was very important to me growing up. It even was the story I ended up bonding over with my first girlfriend. Looking forward to part 2. :)

Hardest fight is Sea Lion & Black Waltz 1

Fantastic video

Starting with the coke commercial is blowing my mind 😂

I swear, criterion scares me more than ultimate. Whoever is cooking up those mechanic ideas is insane

I play with the elite series 2 controller and set the 4 back buttons to the dpad buttons. I set the actual dpad to do the L3, R3, L1, and R1 functions. It feels really great being able to hit the normal dpad buttons for actions as the back buttons, because I don’t have to take my thumb off the left analog stick during movement.

Greta video. Just started playing. Was a heavy wow player from vanilla till legion. So it’s kinda funny to get into this. But damn I’m struggling with controller tbh. Is there a way to not make it so u change sets with rb ? I often do that by mistake because I have my two back paddles working as rb and lb to tab target easier.

Is it faster? Yes. Does it matter? No? In the grand scheme of things an extra 2-3 minutes in a dungeon does not matter. Not everyone is going at full efficiency 100% of the time. As a Tank sometimes I just don't want the stress of a tough Wall2Wall, especially with randoms, and as a Healer it can be nice when a Tank only pulls like 1/3rd or Half of a full w2w and I don't have to pay attention to their health much. At the end of the day it's a collective toy we're playing with, and arguing and getting salty that not everyone is playing with the toy as efficiently as you is silly.

The only one that does bug me is Battle on the Big Bridge; for some reason the tanks drag all the adds to the final room when stopping on the second set of adds to kill them all is significantly faster.

I thought the Drama was about the Tank refusing to use AoE, thus failing on Enmity, not just pull solo packs. Either way, interesting to see some testing here, though of course a bigger sample size would be great. It is way less of a time loss than I expected

Might be interesting to make this a full test. Multiple groups all working with different compositions and all recording their clear times. Heck, with the drive to get those uncapped tomes for Relics right now, you could probably recruit a good spread of people. I don't think that it'd end up disagreeing with your result, though. Single pulls is longer, but not by a margin that's worth complaining about. And the reason why Trust runs are even longer than the Single Pull example is because other than the Tank, they only use single target moves. They're *designed* to go slower than players because they didn't want "running with the NPCs" to be "optimal".

No need to be apologetic about the length of this video in any way, you put hours into this and delivered 4 minutes of relevant contextualisation and 2 minutes of informative result analysis. That's a worthy outcome!

Would limit breaking the mob packs as a range dps make a difference? I started doing that after I saw someone else do it.

"bit of drama recently" ppl have been debating big pulls for years

I mean it also depends of party comp like, big pulls will melt way faster with good casters as their aoe rotation is way stronger, like 2 good BLMs bis and that know what they're doing will wipe big pulls in ~20s or less making the time difference between the w2w and single pulls much bigger. Another thing is when I do the latest dungeon with my group of much better than average friends we clear bosses faster so we skip downtime mechs which just amplifies the feeling of slowness when getting the dungeon through let's say mentor rolo, where people also die on mechs and so on, spending 27mins in there compared to 11:50 is of course biaised but very really numbers

How about the mentor special: single pulls, single target, gcds only

1:20 that guy is disassociating so very hard, he probably thinks he's in the matrix or something

Instead of using the stopwatch on your phone, you could've just used the ingame clear times. Those start at entering the instance and end the moment the boss is killed afaik.

Honestly long story short. Respect each other. Yet tanks you choose this play style. Respect your class more. Gear up properly, use materia, learn your class. At lvl 90 you should not be pulling slowly. You have had more than enough time to learn your class and your playstyle.

Bad Video here are the Reasons. If you use ur Buff on the first Group it alwas comes up early/mid Boss fight. If you did Pull Wall to Wall and used everything Properly u start the Boss fight With alot of Resources (Resources Big Numbers) If Played Properly u will end a Dungeon with Wall to Wall packs under 14 min i Even did the newer Dungeons in 12 with random People. What i dont get is Why People wanna Waste there time in a Dungeon with Single pulls that Content is Boring enough on its own <3. 1 More thing if i Play with Friends we Play WAR and 3 DPS u be done in 10 min ^^

Ultimately if your tank/healer isn't comfortable with big pulls, the time that gets spent rezzing or wiping in random places is going to make wall-to-wall way less efficient anyway, there's no reason to force the issue imo.

great video. very funni editing

like the video, one thing i have to add though is that if people are really doing single target on mobs in dungeons, chances are they aren't using the "correct" or optimal rotation on top of that. from personal experience, what it means is no dot, no song bard, no iaijutsu samurai, whm that never use holy, assize, etc. And so that *on top* of not doing big pulls is what *really* makes it drag on even longer than you might expect with testing. Especially considering how two categories in the video were raid buffs on cd, and raid buffs before boss. But realistically, for actual problem players, they might not even use raid buffs because they don't know what half their buttons do. So the real time differential is likely larger still.

It's worth noting that big pack pulling was also encouraged by the TP system, as spamming AoE dumped your TP extremely fast. Doubt it was intentional design, but I thought it was nice. Core game mechanics that would encourage players to play better are such a scarcity these days.

if you get toxic and argue about it, it might not save you the time, but it can save future parties the tank terrorizes that time

i'd love to see a video that goes all the way and shows things from the best you can do with savage raiders and synced gear all the way down to people at minimum ilevel to get in who don't know how to play their job but that would be way too much effort

My stance as a support main (tank and healer) whom played all 8 to 90. .. If a tank or healer is not comfortable with wall 2 wall, then they just are not comfortable. Everybody plays at different levels. People who berate sprouts not yet comfortable with their move set really just need to take a breath of fresh air and realize that they are only trying their best. To those who activate no tank stances or healers whom over heal / dont attack monsters, those people do deserve just a light hearted pat on the back and told how they could play their classes a bit differently not overwork their healers, or to just speed along things. As for DPS who do spend all their time writing an autobiography on how the tank is being slow, yes you are indeed making the dungeon take incredibly longer. Again, not everybody is on your you exponential standards of being a nerd at a video game. This video was very well written out. thank you and good job to those that look out for people getting belittled by such toxic players. Its fortunate the toxic player base is a small minority, but I came across my fair share of them, and just want you to know, newer adventurers whom are reading this. Keep trying your best and have fun.

This video is disgusting, I hate how short it is, when does your next video come out?

I think it's good to also mention that single pack pulls also likely feel extra slow due to the fact if a tank is doing smaller packs, chances are they aren't that familiar with the game and how to play. It's going to make the run that much slower the more players who are clueless about their job works is in your group which will only further increase the amount of extra time it takes to clear the dungeon. Likewise how a really cracked team of amazing players will likely end up saving even more time wall to wall pulling on top of using raid buffs on adds.

This missed the point of the original video, it was not pulling single packs that was the issue, they were complaining because the tank was only using single *target* moves which was causing the dps to pull aggro when they used AoE moves and get killed because the tank was also not using provoke. So it would not be AoE single groups vs AoE wall to wall pull for the comparison it would be Single target with no call or heads up who the tank was targeting without using target of target vs AoE wall to wall.

the single target vs AOE thing is exemplified by trusts vs PF. Mind, Trusts are programmed to basically use super attacks when a fight goes on too long and they will start doing 1000+ potency actions repeatedly to put an upper limit on fight times. If you go in as a DPS and AOE, the instance is usually 10-15% faster.

Thinking about it, a lot of the time is probably on the actual boss rooms, themselves, right? 14-17 minutes probably doesn't seem like that huge of a difference until you realize a lot of that is time that physically has to happen either way because you can only optimize fighting a boss so much. I know the results are the results, but if you looked at how long it took to kill JUST the mobs with and without big pulls, I'm sure the results would feel a lot more extreme, right? Just a thought.

Really, it just comes down to what the Tank is comfortable with. I'm not going to blame someone if they don't want to pull too hard because they're new to a dungeon or still fresh at the game, and any death is going to be slower than not dying. But at the same time, the big pulls are ideal and they just show the skill of the Tank (and healer) whenever you pull them off to speedrun a dungeon. Not everyone is going to be an expert that knows how to manage Tank Cooldowns, though. And that's okay, but the hard way was always going to be the fastest and most effective way. Just be sure to talk to your team if you're a newer Healer and you don't think you can handle these crazy speedrun strats. It's a cooperative game, after all, at the end of the day.

It's not even about the speed for me at the end of it all. Single pulling is just less fun. And I want to have more fun with big numbers and pressing more buttons giving me the goodygood feels.

Based on the stuff shown in testing, it probably would have been even further apart from single pulls and group pulls, as double melee, meaning no 4% buff, and weaker overall AoE when compared to what the rPhys and casters can output (or even NIN), but most notably of all, not even considering speed, is tank and healer CDs. Single pulling packs means that the time in combat overall goes up, and as a result, the amount of defensive CDs or healing resources diminishes and eventually dries up, forcing more hardcast heals, slowing the rate down even further, or potentially resulting in a death (excluding if WAR is the tank, because they're just unnaturally busted in casual content this expac). The ability for DPS to just go nuts is a bonus benefit of the big pulls

For my SHB relics, to get all jobs, I had to complete level 70 dungeons 15 times for each weapon, there are 19 weapons. That's 285 runs of level 70 dungeons. Now... if ONE tank is 3 minutes slower (Or to be fair, 2:30, since that's a bit closer, and I should round down not up), thats only 2:30 lost... However, the "standard" should always be respect peoples time, I can handle the exception, but it better be the exception, and it should be okay for me to tell them, "ya know, in the future you should consider pulling more." Since the golden rule matters here. To judge the moral value of a proposition, you compare the application of the proposition universally. Thus, lets assume your single pack mob pulling was the universal rule, not a one off, to explain WHY we make the standard wall to wall pulling... In that case, to finish my relics would cost me 285 runs times 2.5 minutes longer, or put another way, their lack of consideration would cost me 11 hours and 52 minutes of my life. Thankfully, MOST people aren't that discourteous... Why? Because we stigmatize them for being discourteous... So... Guess what, I'm going to keep stigmatizing them... Why? Because this is hardly the only dungeon running I have to do and farming dungeons is a large part of a LOT of content in this game, just thinking about weekly tomestone caps... Given the amount of time most end-game players or raiders have logged, I'm sure if this stigma disappeared, you'd start eliminating hundreds of hours of some peoples lives, and entire lifetimes taken in aggregate, the fact that its nickled and dimed 2.5 minutes at a time doesn't make it okay to me.

It's just basic math. If you're fighting a pack of 6 monsters, your 100 potency AoE becomes a 600 potency attack.

This was surprisingly well made, I love the editing and work that went into this! :D Shoutout to the algorithm for bringing me here for no discernable reason!

Iooono i have had 25+ minute single pull runs

Great vid! And I must say that white mage has impeccable taste in glam.

I wonder how they'll handle future variant dungeons going forward. I wonder if anyone else also worries about the necessity of the savage tier if these dungeons just slightly make them irrelevant? Atleast thats what i seem to gather from this i could be misunderstanding something.

Even though I already knew most of the sittings ur vid was very helpful and entertaining thank u 🙏🏻

Man this could have been such a helpful video but you put a bunch of loud music over your very difficult to hear voice during the section that made me stop using controller, targeting. Please sir I'm begging you, for the sake of future viewers, learn what a compressor is and how to use it in your video editing software. One goes on your voice to make your loudest inflections as quiet as your softest ones, then turns your entire normalized signal up louder, and one goes on your music track to duck the volume whenever you're talking. Sincerely, I was so looking forward to this video when I saw it, hoping I could learn a way to more effectively target and get back into controller again, but I just can't understand what you're saying due to the poor audio decisions you made.

Playstation doesn't have an X button, it has a ❌ (cross) button

I’ve wanted to separate that wxhb for years and never knew there was a setting. Can’t Ty enough for this vid.

Target filters are very important if you play multiple roles. When im a dps and my weapon is out; i can only target/tab enemies. for my healer filter, it only targets party members but i can tab to enemies. When my weapon is away it targets anything but player character.

After all of this what a take out of it is... I'm still the superior player by default, just because I use a corsair k100 and corsair scimitar elite. And it's just the end of that.

As a M+KB player, I don't consider myself an elitist, honestly. Quite the opposite, honestly. I have the highest respect for people who play on Controller because that is some sort of arcane wizardry that I will NEVER understand how to do. My brain just isn't wired like that LOL

Bro, pls consider redoing this video if you ever get a new mic. This information is so useful, but I can't hear shit half the time. 🙏

I keep considering controller to be more comfortable for casual play, but I get myself away from the mmo mouse