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If you remove the seasons where they shorten the 3 point line by a whole foot and half. MJ shot like 27% from 3. MJ is a better mid range and FT shooter and that’s it.

Told the guy who wanted to debate so bad to join my discord he didn’t end of the day throwing random insults in the comment sections is their bread and butter. When it comes to to actually substantiate claims they make they hide

I feel like they were trying to make it more comedic if anything it was chill but wish they focused more on arguments

@@Dnz-zg5km I had a personal opinion that LeBron’s 2018 season was my all-time favorite peak. I bring it up one time in a 20 minute video about Jokić and that made you so angry. You had the comments about it?

@fabistheman1 yea... in my personal opinion, your personal opinion is wrong about that 2018 season. And what you do? Calling me angry because I comment to some random YT-reaction? I don't know man, you seem more angry than me I think 🤷🏼‍♂️

@ I will say when it comes to basketball opinions I don’t have to disparage or make up cute little nicknames for players I don’t like to disagree with an opinion, but if that’s you I get it and if that’s your opinion, that’s fine but you stated it like it was a matter of fact, but we can agree to disagree:)

@@fabistheman1 if it's about basketball opinions and making YT-content over it, it's pretty delusional what you just said, but ok. And sorry I called your obvious hero LeChoke, maybe LeBum, LeFlop, LeGM, Le🐏 or just LeDad, after dragging his poor, even more untalented son into "the best basketball league" on the planet. Maybe these names fit the man better, who had more than easy competition in the east of 2018. Demar DeTrade-Soon Raptors, Philly with a starting Fultz-Simmons-Embiid drama which killed the trusted process, the so called Playoff-P (or was it Pandemic-P? Podcast-P?), Also the still disfunctional Celtics and up and coming Giannis with his young Bucks weren't really mentionable. But it's all good, I can see how some guy, who never was ballin' and who just cares about stats and analytics doesn't feel comfortable with real basketball talk. Good luck with your channel

@ I appreciate the effort you put into showing me how you’re not actually angry, but hey, you’re clearly passionate at the least. It’s impressive how you managed to rattle off so many recycled insults and cherry-picked narratives without pausing for a moment to self-reflect. I get it, though hating must be exhausting work. If breaking down LeBron’s career with buzzwords like ‘LeChoke’ and ‘LeFlop’ makes you feel like a basketball savant, who am I to take that from you? As for the ‘never ballin’’ jab, you’re right my playing days peaked in pickup games, but I didn’t realize you had to have an NBA contract to recognize greatness on the court. Anyway, thanks for the unsolicited analysis. I’ll let you get back to whatever deep basketball insights you’re cooking up for your next masterpiece. Good luck with that.

@@DejanNovakov why are you so mad? I said he is an amazing player and if he wins or goes to a couple more finals, he will definitely finish around the top five. How can you hear me say that and feel like it’s disrespectful?

@@fabistheman1 Not mad at all. I told you - start watching Nuggets games and you will start to understand what the game of basketball is about / should be. You might then understand why he is sitting on the bench the whole 4th quarter with stats 23\17\15 instead of chasing 20\20\20 (achieved twice) or 25\20\20 (never)

@@DejanNovakov dude I said Jokić is one of the best players in the league right now. If he wins more chips has the potential to be top five but even if he doesn’t definitely will end up top 20 and you’re telling me I don’t know basketball because of that? Just because I don’t have him number one all time doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s great.

@@fabistheman1 As I said - The people who were watching Kareem are saying he is the best, then comes Magic, Bird, Jordan, and people who were watching him are saying they/he is the best,,,... and then Lebron. I am old so I watched them all. The difference with Jokic is that people are not watching him (small market), He doesn't care for the media and the popularity. People would rather watch the pathetic game of the Boston Celtics than the poetry of the Denver Nuggets. As I said (between the lines when I mentioned team Serbia) you can put whoever around Jokic and he will elevate their game the best way possible. Russ was playing with Lebron - you tell me about that and Russ playing with Jokic. What is the difference? I will tell you - it is the ego. We can go back to the past and to all the players that Jokic made much better. I really can't remember players that Lebron made better. He needed to play with All-Star player/s to achieve something. Jokic is already top 5 ever. He is not a better center than Kareem or Hakeem/Shaq... but neither Jordan or Lebron. He is not a better power forward than Lebron or Tim or Mailman but neither Kareem/Jordan. he is not a better playmaker than Magic/Stockton... but neither Jordan\Lebron\Kareem... Jokic is way better than others in positions that are not their natural position. His efficiency is better than any other player mentioned. Will finish with coach Malone's words from tonight's game against Brooklin when it was mentioned that Russ and Jokic again have a triple-double in the same game. This is a History Channel people.

@blankeon6613 putting him with SGA or Luka would just be unfair but fun af to watch 😂💯

He is not going to Dallas. There are only few spots in the NBA he would be comfortable t, if Denver were insane enough to trade him. OKC is the only one of those 4 teams even close to contending.

@@fabistheman1 his game does not suit Luka in my opinion. Yes, they would be fightig for the chip, but you can't have Joker watch Luka dribbling out the clock

@@draganmijatovic5216You clearly didn’t watch my video. I never said I hated Jokic. In fact, I even said Jokic is the best player right now and could be top 10 all-time when it’s all said and done if he wins more. So, I don’t understand why you made this comment, as I was very clear about how I feel about Jokic none of it was hate.

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@@AVAXII He got a nice joke right? 😂😂😂

@@derelljackson6056 First off, every great player had competitors who thrived during their era, including Jordan and Kobe. On Jordan’s watch, Hakeem Olajuwon won two rings. Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, and John Stockton all had MVP seasons. Even Penny Hardaway and Shaq eliminated the Bulls in 1995. Let’s not act like MJ completely shut down the league he left the door open plenty of times. Now let’s look at Kobe. Tim Duncan and the Spurs dynasty? They ‘ate’ plenty, winning five titles. Dirk? Took one. KG, Pierce, and Allen? Snagged one too. Kobe’s greatness didn’t prevent those guys from shining, just like it didn’t stop him from missing the playoffs twice in his prime. LeBron’s era is no different, except his competition was arguably tougher. He faced the 73-9 Warriors with four All-Stars and two MVPs, the Spurs dynasty, and Dirk’s Mavericks in their Cinderella run. Yet, he still beat the Spurs, came back from 3-1 to dethrone the Warriors, and won championships with three different franchises. Saying ‘too many greats ate on his watch’ ignores context. It’s not about how many rings his opponents won it’s about the level of competition and how LeBron still managed to excel, breaking records and dominating across two decades. If anything, the fact that LeBron had to face tougher opponents than Jordan or Kobe and still accomplished so much makes his career even more impressive. If you want to hate that’s fine, but stop cherry picking facts to fit your world view.

@fabistheman1 I enjoyed your reaction to the debate video. Those guys were hilarious. My comments about the first few years of MJ is in response to the guy saying all the times MJ and... his team lost in the 80s. That's true but as you said there was no "context". You literally explained my point for me there were great HOF players in that era too. The accolades and individual performances even in all those losses are even more reason to elevate a player over someone we consider equal. Nobody wins every game we know that. I'm not giving credit to losing in the playoffs, also not giving credit for losing on the biggest stage of the Finals. Once the winning started MJ and...the bulls didn't look back. Everyone seems to skip over the fact that it was a 3 peat over the best teams in the league during that time other than the Bulls. And the public loves to talk about the first retirement like it's nothing. The man's father was murdered, i think that gives anyone a pass to step away. And Olajiwon won those 2 Chips during that time proves there were other great players in that era.Tons of household names and players with historic moments that everyone knows so dont downplay the 90s who you think lebron was watching as a child those guys.We don't even need to mention the second 3 peat that's over kill. Even old MJ put up All-Star level games with the Wizards averaging 21.2ppg 5.9reb 4.4ast 80%FT multiple 30,40 and a 51pt game. All that to say is even if you gonna lose go down swinging, not missing FTs and walking around on defense, or flopping for the camera or blaming teammates, if they that bad don't pass them the ball like MJ did back on the day.

@@derelljackson6056 Thank you for the thoughtful comment, and I appreciate you taking the time to engage with the discussion. It’s clear you have a deep respect for MJ’s legacy, and honestly, who doesn’t? He was an absolute icon and accomplished things that set the gold standard for greatness in the NBA. I also respect your acknowledgment of the context of his early years yes, the 80s were stacked with Hall of Fame talent, and his individual accolades during those years are undeniably impressive. I agree with you that no one wins every game, and the way MJ and the Bulls dominated once they started winning is legendary. The 3-peats are historic not just because of the wins, but because of how they came against top-tier competition. And you're absolutely right to bring up his first retirement it’s a human moment that showed he wasn’t just a basketball player but someone dealing with unimaginable personal tragedy. That context matters, and I’m glad you highlighted it. Regarding your points about LeBron, I think the comparison often gets oversimplified. While MJ had his moments of ‘going down swinging,’ LeBron has his own style that reflects the modern game. He’s more of a facilitator, and sometimes that gets unfairly interpreted as ‘passing the buck.’ His willingness to trust his teammates-whether it’s dishing to Ray Allen for that iconic Finals shot or Kyrie for a game-winning three-is part of what makes him such a unique and effective leader. And as much as people focus on moments where LeBron flopped or looked frustrated, there are countless examples of him carrying teams on his back, like Game 1 of the 2018 Finals when he dropped 51 points and nearly beat a stacked Warriors team. Ultimately, the debate is less about tearing one guy down and more about appreciating the greatness both brought to the game in their own ways. MJ and LeBron played in different eras with different challenges, and both redefined what it means to dominate basketball. It’s a testament to both their legacies that we’re still having these conversations, and that’s something all basketball fans can celebrate. Lastly, I really appreciate you approaching this debate without resorting to insults or attacks-it’s refreshing and shows genuine passion for the game. I also want to apologize if my first comment came off heated; I’m not used to having a genuine discussion on this topic. Usually, it’s filled with gish galloping and pivoting, so it’s nice to have an actual conversation where, even if we disagree, we can still respect each other’s perspectives.

@@derelljackson6056 The usual ‘Jordan was already great before Phil and Pippen’ narrative let’s break it down with some facts and common sense, since you seem to be lacking both. Sure, Jordan was ROTY, a 4x All-Star, MVP, and DPOY before Phil and Pippen hit their primes. That’s impressive but guess what? All that individual success didn’t stop him from getting bounced out of the playoffs three straight years. The Celtics and Pistons were handing him early exits like party favors. Jordan only started winning titles once Phil implemented the triangle offense and Pippen emerged as an elite two-way player. You can be the best scorer in the world, but without a coach and teammates who elevate the team, you’re just putting up empty numbers. And let’s not act like the 80s were somehow this unbeatable gauntlet for MJ. Sure, it was a deep era, but are you forgetting LeBron faced the 73-9 Warriors with FOUR All-Stars? Or the Spurs dynasty? Or Dirk’s Mavericks in their Cinderella run? And despite all that, LeBron still managed to drag teams like the 2007 Cavs and the 2018 Cavs (aka the ‘who-are-these-guys squad’) to the Finals. Put 80s Jordan on those rosters and let me know how far he gets. As for your GOAT list Kareem is amazing, but his finals record is 6-4, and he needed Magic to get most of those. Kobe? A legend, but less efficient, missed the playoffs twice in his prime, and needed Shaq to carry him to three rings. Magic and Bird? Incredible players, but their peaks don’t match LeBron’s two-decade dominance. And if we’re being real, your whole ‘LeBron honorable mention’ line just screams hater energy. It’s like you know he belongs in the GOAT conversation but can’t bring yourself to admit it because it messes with your narrative. Here’s the bottom line: Jordan was great, but his dominance didn’t start until he got the perfect situation an elite coach and a Hall of Fame teammate. LeBron? He’s done it all, from dragging nobodies to the Finals to dominating with multiple franchises. So yeah, maybe take a second to actually understand basketball history instead of reciting tired talking points. Until then, enjoy your trip back to the 90s, because it’s clear that’s where your basketball knowledge stopped evolving.

Ah, the classic ‘Jordan played against plumbers’ narrative in reverse. Let’s break this down for you real quick: LeBron has more career points, rebounds, assists, and a higher playoff win share than Jordan. He’s 6’9” and plays all five positions while Jordan retired twice to go play baseball and golf. And this idea that LeBron didn’t face competition? You mean those Warriors with the best regular-season record ever, or the Spurs dynasty? MJ’s toughest Finals opponents were the Clyde Drexler Blazers and the Barkley Suns. Oh, and about those ‘chips being handed to him’ Jordan had a guy named Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson (you’ve heard of them, right?) plus a host of All-Defensive teammates to carry the load. LeBron, on the other hand, was dragging Boobie Gibson and Mo Williams to Finals appearances. But sure, keep telling us about how ‘awards’ trump overall skill, longevity, and versatility. Classic Klutch Sports narrative, right?

​@@fabistheman1Playing longer does not make you better. Jordan is 10 time scoring champion which he led the league in scoring in 10 seasons. He's also the only guard who had 200 steals and 100 blocks. He is rank in top 5 for steals per game and blocks per game in shooting guard and Lebron is not even in the top.10 for per game basis. Kareem was not the best scorer ever even when he was number 1 in scoring because of his low averages in both regular season and playoffs. For rebounding, Jordan average more offensive rebounds than LeBron. Versatility does not mean anything since LeBron was trashed by Terry and Barea in 2011 Finals and dominated by big man such as Nowitzki and Duncan. Jordan achieved the highest peak by playing 82 games 9 times in his career and Lebron only once. He also is not in top 10 in defensive win shares for his position. Not playing 82 games and not playing defense will surely increase your longevity.

@ Let’s dismantle this argument brick by brick: 1. Longevity Doesn’t Matter? Playing longer absolutely matters when it means staying elite for two decades. LeBron isn’t just hanging around he’s top 20 in scoring in year 21 as well as top 5 in assist which speaks to his adaptability, consistency, and durability. You can’t punish a player for maintaining greatness. 2. Jordan’s Steals and Blocks: Impressive, no doubt. But context matters Jordan’s era had a faster pace, leading to more possessions and more opportunities for steals and blocks. Meanwhile, LeBron plays in a more positionless game, where his focus isn’t just on guard stats but on defending every position. That versatility doesn’t fit neatly into traditional stat categories. 3. Rebounding Argument: Jordan averaged more offensive rebounds because he played closer to the basket in the triangle offense. LeBron plays a more perimeter-focused game, yet he still grabs more total rebounds per game than Jordan. Funny how that gets ignored. 4. Versatility Doesn’t Matter? It absolutely does when LeBron is the only player in NBA history who can genuinely dominate at all five positions. Scoring, facilitating, rebounding, defending LeBron impacts the game in more ways than MJ ever did. 5. 2011 Finals: Ah, the cherry-picked stain on an otherwise illustrious career. Sure, LeBron underperformed, but let’s not forget he came back to dominate the Finals, leading multiple historic comebacks, including against a 73-9 Warriors team. Jordan? He never even faced a Finals opponent as tough as those Warriors. 6. Durability and 82 Games: Jordan played 82 games nine times great! But he also retired twice in the middle of his prime, leaving the Bulls and the league high and dry. LeBron, meanwhile, has been a model of consistency and durability, showing up year after year and playing more total games than Jordan ever did. 7. Defensive Win Shares: You’re right, LeBron isn’t in the top 10 for his position but he’s top 5 all-time in total win shares. That’s the broader context you conveniently left out. Defense? LeBron guarded everyone from Derrick Rose to Tim Duncan in their primes. The difference is this: Jordan’s dominance was shorter but iconic, while LeBron’s greatness spans every era, every style of play, and every role imaginable. Both are legends, but let’s not act like nitpicking random stats erases the totality of LeBron’s impressive career.

@@fabistheman1 @fabistheman1 How did LeBron impacted scoring and rebounding when he only led the league in scoring 1 time and assist 1 time. He was not a rebounding leader. LeBron field goal percentage in midrange is 37% and gets worse in playoffs. He had to assume the point guard position because he has to hold the ball to rack up assists. Moving without the basketball is one of the essential skills as a player and this is one of his weakness. He did not do this because he was a bad shooter which is very evident especially this season. Jordan never faced a team as warriors because they were the Warriors of that time. He built the Chicago Bulls by pushing his teammates to perform. He was not nice but they were great. When he retired the 1st time, he was already being considered the GOAT. He had nothing to prove after the 1st 3 peat. Phil Jackson was a nobody prior to joining the Bulls. He was a retired NBA player who has experience in Latin America. Jordan made Phil Jackson the way he is now. Players make coach win. LeBron had Blatt in Cavs (a renowned coach in Euroleague) and got fired. He had Ilagauskas and Mo Williams who were all stars in Cavs. Jordan had nothing. When Pippen arrived he average less than 10 pts and barely do anything. Early in his career, Jordan faced Boston right? They won the championship on those years. With few all stars and 6th man of the year in Bill.Walton, they were swept but Jordan dropped 63 against them. He did not underperformed against Boston with Larry Bird being the greatest small forward in my opinion, Kevin McHale and Parish. Lebron underperformed in 2007 Finals vs Spurs and thats the team with also 3 all stars (Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan) and the greatest power forward ever. He also underperformed vs Celtics when he was the MVP of that year. With regards to longevity, Jason Terry and Bird have almost the same accumulated scores, but it does not mean that Terry was as good as Larry. Lebron did not dominated the 2000s. Kobe and Duncan did. LeBron dominated the 2012 to 2016 and thats about it. I was a fan of LeBron until 2010 and then saw that his game did not improve at all. His midrange is still below average, his free throws are worse, his post moves barely developed and his lack of effort on defense was clearly seen especially with the last stint in Cavs and Lakers.

2 Dynasties on LeFraud's watch. Now they use it as argument for having better competition because he lose to them hahah.

@@FeiTaN70 I will say Westbrook is not terrible for sure. I just feel like Jamal Murray has taken a step down this year. And they’re not looking as dominant as they used to also for Jokic that’s true his place that allows him to play longer, but he still is a lengthy chunky guy so maybe his body will not take as much as a toll as other tall man, but he’s definitely going to take a toll considering his body type as far as his attitude during interviews and how he talks about the game, it doesn’t seem like he is the type of person that wants to even play past the age of 36 but even if he did, I don’t see him at his size even with his place style playing past that age I say we get very good numbers from Jokić for about three more years and then a slope 4 to 5 years from now I see him retiring around the age of 35 maybe I’m wrong but if I am right, and they only got three more years of prime Jokić they seriously need to build a decent team around him but regardless, I see what you’re saying and I’m not sure if we’re going to have a big man like this again the man’s efficiency is off the charts and it definitely is fun to watch him play I just hope that Denver is competitive because right now it doesn’t seem that way

A lot of us don’t have him in the top five and some have him lower than 10

Lebron sucks. He lost to Dallas once and spurs twice and warriors 3 times. He got swept in the finals twice. He has the 2 worst finals losses ever. Lol bruh lebron is legitimately the most overrated player ever in any sport.

I don't it's a lie and based on bullshit atleast in this video

Look at the breakdown of the help they had this guy doesn't know basketball

@@josephjudah77 what did he say wrong

@@josephjudah77want to timestamp and clarify where I messed up? Or just want to say “you’re dumb and wrong “ without providing any examples into how.

@xKingKB7x everything dude lol Lebron played with more help than anybody in history and it's not close. The beginning of this video is dead by the fact that Dirk went up against Wade Bosh and LeBron yet he won. Lebron gets a pass from his fans because pretty much if you beat Lebron than to them think stupidly think that makes that team unstoppable. They mention the Spurs but Kobe beat all those same teams

What LeBron not even top five maybe not even top ten. He never passed kareem, magic, Kobe, or Duncan, he is not better than Russell, wilt or even curry

We also know what lebrons on, wink that good balco stuff

⁠@@Thorcat001LeBron in a Russell era would obliterate folks.

Lebron not even top 5. Today's nba is the legacy lebron is leaving behind.

@@Thorcat001 the ‘LeBron isn’t even top 10’ take truly the flat Earth theory of basketball debates. Let me guess, you still think Wilt’s 100-point game wasn’t just him playing against 5 guys under 6’5”? LeBron is the all-time leading scorer, fourth in assists, top 10 in steals, and has more longevity than your entire list combined. Magic? Great passer, but never guarded all five positions like LeBron. Kobe? A killer, but less efficient and never carried rosters as weak as LeBron’s to the Finals. Curry? Love him, but defense isn’t his thing. So to act like LeBron isn’t head and shoulders the best is delusional. And ‘wink Balco’? the good ol’ ‘LeBron’s on Balco’ conspiracy always a favorite of the ‘no real argument’ crowd. Let’s set this straight: LeBron’s never failed a drug test in 20 seasons, despite playing in an era with rigorous testing protocols by the NBA and WADA. You really think the league would let their biggest star slide while under constant media scrutiny? Also, if LeBron’s secret sauce is supposed to explain his success, what explains his insane basketball IQ, court vision, and ability to play at an elite level while outlasting your entire list of favorites? Unless steroids give you the ability to memorize opponents’ plays and drop dimes like Magic while still leading the league in scoring, this theory isn’t just weak it’s laughable. Maybe just admit the guy’s a generational talent and move on before you pull a muscle from stretching this hard.

@@therealnerds100 part 2 is way better. Dude even admitted he came unprepared lol

@@xKingKB7x ight bet :) you ask you shall receive I’ll have it posted up tomorrow

@ yessir it’s 2 parts but I can’t wait. Looking forward to it

@ first part will premiere later today

@@fortune1337 really appreciate that , I’m small time but I’ll keep putting out content and see what can happen :) 💯❤️

Terrible video. Dude was clearly bias in favor of MJ

@@xKingKB7x yea I know lol. I debunked that entire video on my channel. I just want to see him react to it.

@@sportstalkonly1442 😂oh ok

@@otisjenkinsjr.3556 yes I said that … what Jeff said is the same thing I said WNBA players are extremely talented. Of course they would beat the average guy that’s not even a conversation, but we’re talking the average NBA player and even the average D1 player more likely than not the WNBA player would lose, even if they were a generational talent no one’s using an NBA guy as a “shield.” I’m responding to the comments Jeff made verbatim and I already stated that the average guy would probably get their ass kicked by a WNBA player so I’m unsure what your comment is criticizing exactly😂

He indeed spit some very lukewarm flames 😂😂

@fabistheman1 slowly roasting the rap game

not if i do first