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Acts 11:16-18 And I (Peter) remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said, "John baptized with water, but you will baptize with the Holy Spirit." If then God gave them the same gift that he gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to hinder God?' When they (the Apostles and Elders) heard this, they were silenced. And they praised God, saying, 'Then God has given even to the Gentiles the repentance that leads to life. Acts 15:10-11 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” Romans 14:13-14 Let us therefore no longer pass judgment on one another, but resolve instead never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother or sister. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who considers it unclean.

@RevOchart42 I'm no better than the next man I struggle with my lust on a daily basis I now I'm not right with God when I give in to the desires of my flesh but I have to not allow myself to believe that living in my sin is OK or Promote it as being ok the word of God is not something to be taken lightly or even worse altered so we can continue to be sinful

Thank you for your feedback. I am sorry that you have such a view of an unloving God. To answer the bread breaking and hymn singing quote, the liturgy that I used came from a worship service, so made more sense there. Religious practice is not what makes me a Christian, these elements are a 'visible sign of an invisible grace' (as Calvin would put it). What makes me a Christian (literally 'little Christ') is hope and trust in Jesus, the Christ. I proclaim to you what was passed on to me as of first importance, God so loved the world that God gave the only son, so that whoever would believe in him would not parish, but have eternal life. God did not send him into the world to condemn the world, but that through him the world might be saved. As I look at the loving life and words of Jesus, I choose to follow him to spend time with "sinners and tax collectors" rather than the "true Christians" who are convinced of their own righteousness. We all deserve justice, but we get grace instead. Thanks be to God.

@@RevOchart42 what about the "no exceptions" thing? There are clearly are exceptions.

@@RevOchart42 You're absolutely right, God is Loving and Just, those are his two natures, and neither of them ever get broken. That is the very reason Jesus has to die. God's wrath was placed upon Jesus to fulfill his Judgement, and it wasn't placed on us as a part of his Mercy. With that said, The God of the old testament is the same as the new testament. God and Jesus agree with each other (being that they're the same) God did condemn homosexuality, but made laws against it, through Moses (the great law giver) Jesus didn't hang out with publicans and sinners and leppers because they were best buds, but to change them to be better. the reason he sat with them is to heal them in their sinful ways. like Jesus said himself... Matthew 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. Jesus is not conforming to their ways or even just hanging out, but healing as a doctor would. This, we could agree is a great loving thing He did. now, to connect YHWH to Jesus... Jesus first said in Matthew 5:17 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Jesus had also said in Matthew 10:34-39 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. does not this statement from Jesus contradict God's ultimate love as you know it. you're right he loves everyone and all his creations (but satan), but he won't stand by every word we say, and just agree with us, He knows that we're fallen creatures who chose to rebel against him. We sin continually, our hearts are what we listen to when we shouldn't, our hearts are deceitful. like Jeremiah (the prophet of God) tells us in Jeremiah 17:9-10 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. A true friend tells you when you're wrong (this IS NOT in the bible). Jesus is the friend like no other. proverbs 18:24 24 A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother. Just because it's pleasant to hear does mean it's right. Jesus said in Luke 6:26 26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. God had said in Leviticus 18:22-23 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with woman kind: it is an abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. God loved these people so much that he did not want his people (Israel) to fall into this kind of confusion, this is true love. This is him protecting his people from their own sinful nature and desires. God protects women from rape. God gave even the fair laws for when one man kills another he must be killed. He even had mercy during this time, he that killed somebody on accident could run away into a safe City, but he wasn't protected from a rightful death still (by a family member who had their sibling, father, or mother murdered). God has always been Fair, Just and Loving all at the same time. Like David says in the psalms (over and over and over again) Psalm 19:7-14 7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. 8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. 10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. 12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. 14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer. God bless your deceitful heart brother.

lastly, Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. You and I are responsible for looking closely to God's word and learn God's ultimate will, be prepared to be uncomfortable and be convicted, He is the only one perfect so we know that we've failed somewhere in our life. We know it's not being honest with yourself to do wrong, Someone tells you it's wrong then you just treat the action as right now. Just as a warning in Amos 8:11-12 11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. There are plenty of versions of the Bible and many churches, but there will be a lack of God's words heard. how could this be? Other than some, if not most will be false teachings. we're getting closer and closer to these days.

And God bless you as well. You seem to have all of the answers, and are incredibly confident that your interpretation is the only right one. I might call your attention to the book of Acts, and the constant shift of even the Apostles who thought that they understood the boundaries of God's love, and yet were surprised by the grace of God. Saul was one of those who was convinced of his own rightness, until he encountered the risen Christ. Later he would say "Let us therefore no longer pass judgment on one another, but resolve instead never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother or sister. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who considers it unclean" (Romans 14:13-14). Peter, after encountering Cornelius, said to the elders and apostles in Jerusalem, "as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as it had upon us at the beginning. And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ If then God gave them the same gift that he gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could hinder God?” When they heard this, they were silenced. And they praised God, saying, “Then God has given even to the gentiles the repentance that leads to life.” (Acts 11:15-18). Later Peter says to the Jerusalem Council, regarding whether adherence to the Law was required for salvation, “My brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that I should be the one through whom the gentiles would hear the message of the good news and become believers. And God, who knows the human heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us, and in cleansing their hearts by faith he has made no distinction between them and us. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.” I believe that there is abundant evidence of the Spirit at work among the queer community, despite the efforts to invalidate that work (and them).

I take our scriptures to seriously to take them literally. I also choose to give priority to the thousands of verses that call us to righteousness (right relationships), than the six (poorly translated) ones that are used to condemn queer folx. Thanks for the input though.

Actually, that is the Progress Pride Flag used for the queer+ community, many of whom identify as Christian despite people pushing them away from the faith. Hope that helps to clear things up.

@@RevOchart42 "queer+" individuals need Christ just as much as any of us, and no one should be pushing them away. But it would be a hateful thing to embrace their sin and tell them it's okay to continue in it.

I fully agree that we all need Christ, but I respectfully disagree with your understanding of homosexuality as sin. Thanks for sharing.

@@RevOchart42Scripture makes it unmistakably clear that homosexual acts are sinful in the eyes of God. Read Romans 1: 26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, or any passage in the bible that discuss this topic.

Thank you for the feedback. However, you seem to be confusing the sin of Sodom, which Ezekiel 16:49-50 clearly states is their lack of concern for the poor, and Jesus claims as inhospitality (Matthew 10:14-15; 11:23-24), with a very recent interpretation of it being homosexuality (this, of course, completely ignoring the difference between gang-rape for the purpose of dominance and shame in the ancient world, and an equal and loving relationship between two people today). I assume that you mean to connect me to those who "Renounce the faith by listening to deceitful spirits" (which, you will find, comes from 1 Timothy 4:1). Please explain how using a verse that states that "everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected" to reject my teaching because I don't reject certain people is a valid interpretation. You may also check on which one of us would be for the forbidding of marriage. If I am the kind of teacher described in 2 Peter, then you can rest assured that I am bringing a swift destruction upon myself. However, you might also heed the words of Gamaliel in Acts 5:33-39 that "if this undertaking is of human origin, it will fail; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them- in that case you may even be found fighting against God." Actually, while you are at it, you might want to reread all of Acts, and notice how time and again, God's grace and Spirit is poured out on people that the apostles and rest of the 'church' did not think deserved it. The same St. Peter you quote also said, "I truly understand that God shows no partiality" (Acts 10:34).

@@RevOchart42 Lack of hospitality? Modern interpretation? What is the abomination spoken of in Ezekiel 16:50? Let’s look at the story in Genesis 19. In Genesis 19, two angels, disguised as men, come to Sodom. Lot meets them and convinces them to stay at his house instead of the town center. Then all the men surrounded Lot’s house and demanded the strangers (angels) be sent out so that they may “know” the strangers (angels). Lot says: “I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. 8 Behold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please. Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof.” (Gen. 19:7-8) 1. Why is it wicked for these men to “know” the strangers (angels)? 2. What does Lot mean when he says hid daughters have not “known” any man? 3. What does Lot mean when he tells the men of Sodom that they can do as they please with his daughters as he begs them to leave the strangers (angels) alone? Let’s start with question 2 first. When the Bible talks of any woman not “knowing” a man, it means that woman is a virgin. She has not had sexual relations. This makes the context of question 3 even worse. Lot is offering his virgin daughters to the men of Sodom. Not only that, he tells the men they can do as they please with his innocent daughters. He is sexually offering his virgin daughters to the men of Sodom to do as the men please. This clearly answers question 1. The men of Sodom wish to “know”, that is, have sex with the strangers, angels disguised as men. Lot says this is wicked, that is, these men of Sodom to have sex with the angels they think are men. The men of Sodom rejected Lot’s offer to take his daughters sexually and try to break down Lot’s door to seize the angels they think are men. This also clearly demonstrates that the verse isn’t about “gang rape”. If that was the case, the men of Sodom would have been happy to accept Lot’s offer of his virgin daughters. What do we call men who refuse to have sexual relations with women, yet insist instead on having sexual relations with other men? Homosexuals. It is the homosexual desires of the men of Sodom that is wicked. This is the “abomination” spoken of in Ezekiel 16:50. To be clear, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the abomination spoken of in Ezekiel 16:50, is the homosexual lifestyle choice. This is how it has been understood by Jews for thousands of years, and Christians for the last 2000 years. You are wildly misconstruing what Christ speaks about in Matt. 10:14-15 and 11:23-24. Christ is using Sodom as a comparison to demonstrate how sinful things are, not defining the sins of Sodom. (That is, the homosexual lifestyle choice, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, is morally considered to be one of the most morally repugnant sins to readers, even when all sin is equally repugnant before God.) This is why, in both cases, He states that it would be better to be “more bearable” (10:14-15) or “more tolerable” (11:23-24) to be judged as Sodom and Gomorrah (10:14-15) or Sodom (11:23-24), that to reject God’s Word and Message (10:14-15) or for cities to continue to live in unrepentant sin (11:23-24). You also take 1 Timothy 4:4 out of context. No one denies everything God creates is good and should be rejected. Of course this is referencing marriage and certain foods of verse 2! That is, those who say believers must reject marriage and certain foods (verse 2) are rejecting these good creations from God (verse 4). How does God’s Word define marriage? It is a union between a husband (man) and wife (woman). (See Matt. 19, 1 Cor. 7, Deut. 22, Eph. 5:23, Rom. 7:2, amongst many others.) And did God create sex? Yes. But God created sex for use inside marriage between a man and woman. (1 Cor. 7:1-5) Context is important. It is you who are offering a new an novel reading of God’s Word by rejecting the clear understanding held got thousands of years by Jews and Christians that the homosexual lifestyle choice is a sin before God’s eyes. And to live it unrepentantly is to live apart form God and his salvation. You tell me to heed the words of Gamaliel. This is true, we must. God gave us His Word to guide us and let us know the Truth. God’s Word clearly states the homosexual lifestyle choice is a sin, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the abomination of Ezekiel 16:50. Jews and Christians have held this interpretation for thousands of years. As such, you are ignoring God’s Word on the homosexual lifestyle choice and Gamaliel’s warning. As such “…you [are] only find[ing] [yourself] fighting against God.” (Acts 5:39)

The Ezekiel text is very clear that the issue was greed, but sure lets look at Genesis. If indeed the sin of Sodom and Gomorra was the threat of sexual indiscretion against the angels sent to them, why would God's assessment of Sodom come before the attempted assault (Genesis 18:21)? Yes, your interpretation is a well accepted one, but it is not one that has been posited by Jewish interpreters (as Ezekiel supports). Ultimately for a Jewish interpretation, the lack of hospitality and injustice is the ultimate issue. The attempted rape of the angels is a problem because it is the ultimate act of inhospitality. The men were uninterested in sex with the daughters because their ultimate goal was to dominate and shame these outsiders. As with all sexual assault, the sex itself is not the goal, it is the act of dominance. To be clear, to say that the sin in Genesis and especially in Ezekiel is "the homosexual lifestyle choice" is to wildly overstate the case, and (in the case of Ezekiel) to violently force your interpretation onto it. The Bible defines marriage as between a man and a woman (see above); also a man and two woman (Genesis 4:19); A man and a wife and her enslaved woman (Gen 16); a man and his daughters (Gen 19); a man and his cousin (Gen 24); a man and his three wives (Gen 26:34-35, 28:6-9); a man his wife, her sister, her enslaved person, her sister's enslaved person (Gen 29-30); a man and his daughter-in-law (Gen 38); and that's just Genesis. We can have different interpretations of what the Bible leads us to be and do. Each of us is doing the best we can to be faithful servants of our God as we are lead by the Holy Spirit. In the end we will not get everything right. My reading of scripture leads me to a different understanding of homosexuality than you. In the end, God alone will judge. I thank you for the love you think that you have for me, and will assume that you are only trying to work for my best interest out of care. If this is not the type of content that you are looking for you can not watch it.

@@RevOchart42 Ezekiel 16:49 is about gluttony. But I did not ask about verse 49. I asked about verse 50 and what was meant by “abomination”. It was a reference about gluttony. It was a reference to Leviticus 18:22, reading: “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an ABOMINATION.” (Emphasis added), and Leviticus 20:13, reading: “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION;…” (Emphasis added) This is confirmed by the Genesis 19 narrative about Sodom and Gomorrah, and the common understanding of this chapter for several millennia by both Jews and Christians. This is why Ezekiel needed only say “abomination” in reference to Sodom for the learned and intelligent reader to understand verse 50 was about the homosexual lifestyle choice. “[W]hy would God’s assessment of Sodom come before the attempted assault (Genesis 18:21)?” This is simple. God already knows the sin and depravity of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Gen. 18:17) But, God has chosen Abraham (see Gen. 18:19, 2 Ch 20:7, Jas 2:23). God had made a covenant with Abraham. (Gen. 18:10 and 18:18-20) God appeared to Abraham (Gen. 18:1), and Abraham seen “three men”. (Gen 18:2). God also spoke to Abraham in person (Gen 18:10). Who is God made flesh? Christ. God’s Son and two angels appeared to Abraham. Abraham shows them respect and hospitality. God gave his chosen one the opportunity to speak for, or intercede, for any who may be righteous in Sodom. (Gen. 18:16-33) Whole his angels walked to Sodom (Gen. 18:22), Abraham begged Christ to save any the righteous men who could be found in Sodom. (Gen. 18-23-33). It is easy to pluck a verse to make a point. But it is wise to read it (Gen. 18:21) in context (Gen 18). If one does such, then they won’t ask questions when the are already answered in reading the text in context. Yes, lack of hospitality is frowned on by Jews. Yet, you are taking Ezekiel out of context as I demonstrated above. It is the “abomination” of the homosexual lifestyle choice Ezekiel is talking of in verse 50. (See above) Again, you attempt to reframe Genesis out of context. It was not an “attempted rape” in Genesis 19. God had already stated his intent for Sodom in Genesis 18:17! Attempting to ignore the timeline does not save your argument. While trying to frame this as the men of Sodom’s goal “was to dominate and shame outsiders” does check the taking points of secular physiologists, it completely collapses when looking at God’s Word. Firstly, in Genesis 18:17, God has already stayed his intent before the angels arrived. Secondly, God already revealed he knows the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah are “grievous” (Gen. 18:20) Knowing this, your explanation is an ex post facto theoretical accretion to the text, that completely ignores what God’s Word clearly states. It is interesting that you quote the Law of the Old Testament to ignore the post fulfillment of the Law by Christ’s Paschal Sacrifice on the Cross, where mankind is no longer under the Law. Christ and His Apostles clearly stated how marriage is to be viewed living under the Gospel. You should also declare that we should refrain from certain cloth to wear, and certain food to eat under your logic. However, we already previously agreed in Tim 4:4 that “everything created by God is good” including foods and cloth because we no longer live under the Law. Yes, we are all trying to do the best we can. Yes, we will all fail and sin. God knows this. This is why He sent His Son as the perfect sacrifice to die for our sins. This is why we are washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb through baptism. We know our sins were paid for by Christ’s suffering and death on the Cross. We know as long as we are repentant of our sins, we will be forgiven. Yes, we hope we are guided by the Holy Spirit. But when we resist God’s plainly written Word about sin, we are rejecting the Holy Spirit’s guidance for Satans. In the case of this discussion, God’s Word clearly states the homosexual lifestyle choice are sinful. Those who continue to choice this lifestyle unrepentantly, are living outside God’s Grace. This is the clear understanding of God’s Word by both Jews and Christians for millennium. Those, like you, who attempt to weave a worldly lifestyle into Christ’s Church in opposition to God’s Word, are only helping to bring eternal damnation to those living an unrepentant homosexual lifestyle choice. Furthermore, “…you [are] only find[ing] [yourself] fighting against God.” (Acts 5:39) Finally, you ARE one of the “false prophets” or “false teachers” Christians were warned about in 2 Peter 2. For the souls of those who listen to your false teaching and your own soul, please, for the Love of God, repent and confess your sin of falsely teaching. If even a simple believer as me can easily disprove your false message, than you can be sure anyone of learned knowledge could more easily point towards your sinful message. And if your pride or lifestyle must require you will stand against the plain and clear understanding of God’s Word, the please admit to everyone viewing your channel that you are presenting a new and novel understanding of God’s Word that is a heresy in the view of Jews and Christians for several millennia. Finally, believers of your new and novel heretical understanding of God’s Word will most likely result in your eternal damnation as a false teacher (2 Pet 2), but also those who believe your heresy and choose to live an unrepentant homosexual lifestyle. (Rom. 1:26-27, 1 Cor. 6:9, 1 Tim. 1:8-11) May God bless you, and may His Holy Spirit bring you to repent of your heresy.

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