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Adam Simonds
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2012
My channel is an exploration into the mind of mental illness, comedy genius, and other Galactic Patrol priorities.
Kay Redfield Jamison: Understanding Suicide
Kay Redfield Jamison gives a stirring lecture about suicide.
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Doctors committing suicide...that is deeply saddening, we all need to take better care of our doctors...
I know the when and how of mine. Just need to stay focused and move on.
I've always said depression is like playing a game of chess against yourself and the stakes are your life
A permant solution to a temporary problem, I have been suffering with cronic depression since I was 16 and I am 70 now. Ive attempted 3 times because the internal pain becomes so bad. I appreciate your view but its not so cut and dried, those who don't have the issue can't understand and its not that you want to hurt those you love but to release them from the worry they have for you but most of all to release the pain endured within ones self
"A permanent solution to a temporary problem," does not apply to many suicides. It's a pithy saying that sounds true but it's not. Many folks who end their lives are experiencing serious problems that are not temporary.
Very informative. Thanks.
This is more about gun control.. you suck
What a lovely lecture, what a lovely person to share so openly and honestly. Loved it.
Is suicide really a mental illness? I mean, society has us chasing empty commodities. I mean, the outer society worships narcissists, loves narcissists and sociopaths and hates empathetic people. I sensitive people are called weak. I said sensitivepeople feel like we have no place in the system. I wake every day I put on my work boots and I go do what I gotta do to survive, but survival is all this is. There’s no fun anymore. We’re just surviving merely to survive to work to drive the system that’s driving us into the ground. What’s the purpose of that car? So, life feels often, worthless pointless just living to work for what
And how romantic it all seems when you actually have money. When you’re sleeping in existence it’s not so romantic
Sorry talk to text is t kind
Kate's such a babe.
I so admire those who followed through. Nothin cowardly about it. People who say the suicidal are cowards, clearly haven't had the barrel in their mouths...
As someone who suffers from constant pain, I can appreciate your thought. I do worry, however, that you may do something rash.
So right you are, that taboo HAS to be lifted...thank you so much for posting this...
SUICIDE As I looked at a man (porn actor), I discovered he is about to commit SUICIDE! Why? Why? As I looked at a man(banker), I discovered he wants to commit SUICIDE! Why? Why? As I looked at a Pastor(false), I discovered he wants to commit SUICIDE! Why? Why? Looking at the first man(porn actor), I discovered he was diagnosed of HIV! Looking at the second man(banker), I discovered he was diagnosed of HIV. And looking at the third man, I discovered he was a THIEF! Looking at why a man would want to commit suicide on earth, a being(Holy) walked up to me and told me to wait while the mystery is EXPOSED for man to know why. THE MYSTERY A man had a wife(lucifer) and he is also in the mood to make LOVE(holiest- then) to his wife(lucifer) but with TIME(mystery), the wife became so arrogant and decided to TEST another man(himself). Now, a man of knowledge may not easily understand the above statement but a man of WISDOM may try. Now this is what it means for a man(lucifer) to TEST(BETRAY) himself through his greed( to sit where his master(Jehovah) sits and other angles(both of light and of darkness - although of ligh then, would worship him(lucifer). Now when this evil was found in him, he was chased away from the Presence of God(Jehovah) and was thrown into the EARTH(near physical). Looking at lucifer, he would have wanted the whole angels to rebel before God so that he will be PARDONED but he was utterly disappointed when he discovered it was just one-third of the angels(darkness) were as foolish as him. So, he went out or rather was banished from the PRESENCE of God and he became a man that LACKED anything called JOY. Now lucifer cannot COMMIT SUICIDE because he is spirit(evil) and he cannot die because his time has not come to be thrown into the LAKE. Hence, he(lucifer) has decided another means to die and that is through man(FOOLS). Yes, the greatest genius on earth will not be able to understand what is written above unless by the help of the HOLY GHOST. Yes, how can the evil one(lucifer) die through man(sinners)? This is what it means, whenever a man is very, very FRUSTRATED, he will be SEDUCED by the devil through the QUEEN of DEMONS(Abadidon) to commit SUICIDE. Now man on earth that dies through SUICIDE, no matter the reason and no matter how good that person may be on earth cannot see God. If a man wants to pray and he prays over a dead body that committed SUICIDE, the person might incur the wrath of God but sometimes, religious men have to do that before the person is finally buried. Now, if a man dies through an ACT(Evil) of suicide, he will be seen as a PIG(FILTHY) in the LAND of the dead. How can a man that was supposed to be BREATHING the breadth of life be seen suffocating himself in order to REMOVE the breathe of LIFE(GOD). Now a person cannot be said to have committed suicide if he is HANGED by another. How can a man(sinner) who is SEDUCED by devil to hang himself be said not to have committed suicide? Is it possible? Yes! Why? Now if a man looks at his family and decides to go and rob because of the family's financial state(extremely poor), and because of that(robbery), he was caught and HANGED by the authority, that person has TRULY COMMITTED SUICIDE. How? Yes, the person has decided to LOAN(Mystery of mystery) his life(robbery) at the expense of his LIFE(God). The person has decided to COMMIT SUICIDE (allowing the devil to deceive him to rob) at the expense of doing the right thing(wait patiently on God) . it is finished! It is finished! Books by the writer is available on Amazon, create space, kindle direct publishing, ( Search - books by Anthony Orji).
Suicide and ideation as well as addictions and mental health disorders are usually survivors of intergenerational trauma. A disconnect from self and then the universe. I survived a lot of abuse and am in programs with others who were abused in childhood. Most have ideation and some do it. You just don't become suicidal. Ppl need to start addressing this and some are. In order to help human beings need to admit they are abusive absent unaffectionate unable to validate their children. This is not rocket science.
At 75 yrs and suffered from severe boughts of dehydration as a result of and ileostomy on Oct 14th it has become my testament put into writing why I believe in suicide or self euthanasia. To those I love and care about their silence is deafening
I'm a doctor and was plagued with suicidal thoughts, was researching suicide prevention and following UK guidelines about tallk treatments but I've been convicted in UK for "malicious communication; implied threat of suicide, for a 1 minute effort to talk to the bank that lost me $500,000 in a totally polite way" I couldn't believe the police and the bank were pressing for my conviction ( both had major financial benefits in my conviction, each gained some $500,000 of finance) and had a near fata cycling accident that left me unconscious for 2 weeks and permanenty disabled with paralysis 3 days before I was due in court. The Justice service postponed my trial until I had regained consciousness, but avoided mentioning this terrible consequence to the jury.......who convicted me after the police had got the "barrister of the year" and about 30 witnesses to testify against me, while I was solitary and had just my singe barrister... Justice ?? I am autistic. Don't believe the distorted rubbish published about me to sell the media publications. They have all used my story for their own gain and distorted the facts
Someone coughed and she laughed...what was so funny about that?
Inserting the timestamp of the cough might help you get the answer you are seeking.
Sweetie, the. laughter had nothing to do with the cough.
A lecture from 2000, and has much really changed? Ask Jordan Peterson.
I must strees the courage to talk so openly about her experience withthout beiing afraid of academic peers discredit. Ive read with delight her book on bipolar and creativity. (theres a good lecture of her on the field on youtube) Shes a milestone in this field. Thank u, doc. Kay.
I ve heard the statement; "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". Well, for those of us with serious mental health issues, that statement is pretty hollow. There s nothing temporary about Bipolar, Schizophrenia, etc.
Agreed, I feel many of people saying empty quotes like that simply do not understand the level of darkness and hopelessness a person with severe suicidal thoughts undergoes. It's not about a person being mentally 'weak'' or 'fragile' either it's just that they simply cannot find a way out of their current suffering and hopelessness.
Yep!
Don’t forget loss of those we cannot live without, nothing temporary about that.
Indefensible gun policy? Actually it is very defensible. I'm not going to forgo my second amendment rights just to make you feel better, Doctor Jamison.
Bruh
Why do we still use the term commit suicide it's not an offense like committing murder !
Apparently the shit is illegal in certain places. So, there is that.
In my opinion she is the bravest brilliant creative psychiatrist and author. I keep an unquiet Mind near me at night when I get fearful if I feel like I'm getting manic I read it till I fall asleep. Could you imagine being her patient? I found a pretty good psychiatrist but when I mentioned her book he's not even interested in reading it😠😠😠😠😠 I don't understand I think that should be a mandatory book and part of the curriculum. I'm so weird I even fantasize sitting in her lectures because she saved my life.
She did save my life with her books, before I could get help..She's a Rock 🌟
I been told that I'm being selfish when someone you love dies. Because l still wanted to spend time with them. Yet when we speak to suicide, we're being selfish. If you are entertaining the idea of suicide. It's because the pain of living so overwhelming. I always respect someone's decision to end their life. Sometimes the pain is too great.
@Fred Farkle I had a good friend who committed suicide. Ever since then, I've paid a lot of attention to the reason why people who have taken their own lives. I actually have chronic pain myself, sometimes the depression that comes with it, can overwhelm you. I guess in light of these events, I pay more attention to anyone who talks about suicide.
You ALWAYS respect their decision? I don’t think you would feel that way if they decided to do it in front of you basically blaming you and making you the villain of their life. This happened to me after spending 5 years with my suicidal boyfriend. Dozens of times I talked him off his motorcycle or a gun out of his hand. He refused to get help and/or medication and left this world owing me a large sum of money. I cannot respect that and am still kicking myself for giving him so much of me. However after all is said and done I am grateful my daughter and I are still alive. I would not have put it past him to take us too.
@@DISASTROPHOLOGY Alyssa, I'm sorry for the experience you had with your boyfriend. When I mentioned that I had respect for anyone who takes their life, I was speaking from my experience with suicide. I knew someone who kept saying he was going to commit suicide, his family, in their frustration, would laugh and tell him to do it. I wasn't close to him, but every time I was thinking he was going to someday. I could see the pain he was going through. And when he finally did shoot himself, I know he thought about it for a while. I always think that maybe I could have helped him. I just think when someone talks about suicide, we should take them seriously. I'm sorry if I made you feel bad, I understand you being upset.
I think it’s totally irresponsible and unethical to bring children into this world. The evils they have to deal with, along with the guilt they’re made to feel if they decide to “check out” when they’re intelligent enough to realise what a shit environment they’ve been forced into is beyond me. Foul world.
Everything turns to shit!
It’s all in your head. Thanks for not having kids.
Sure is a foul world...i didnt ask to be born...only people that didnt ever feel depressed dont get it...just like the commenter in this thread.
I agree with you about bringing kids in this world. When I show my nurse that note, I have called these parents "Selfish". I don't want kids.
@@dianegordon5366 Ah yes the classic scientific phrase 'it's all in your head'
Why do people begin by assuming that life is the best option and that it’s certainly better than life? What if I just don’t want to? I know it’s the highest transcendental, but there is only so much phenomenological potentiality.
Honestly no one can properly explain what is wrong with suicide without bringing in religion or personal perception. Everyone will die in the end, so how it's a big deal?
Michael Lewis I agree. I’ve wondered why it is assumed we should want to live.
@@queenofnevers6990 check Shelly Kagan's lectures on suicide. it ain't that simple.
1-2 percent of the population commit suicide: so it's not rare at all. 1-2 percent of patient with terminal illness commit suicide: not at all common, very rare event Lol
The difference is that the terminally ill might be thought to have every reason to commit suicide, so that a 2% rate does seem very low.
@@erichodge567 meh I don't think that's how she meant it.
When working and engaged, and I know several trades as well as tech, I have always been ok. The lack of purpose and lack of solution dealing with family and to a degree friends, opens the door to that "black dog" and seem unable to escape that hound. It is extremely difficult living under the gloom, 40 years now and my life does not seem viable at all. I ask God for guidance and I either am not listening or silence is my answer, never the less this can't continue. I think that is how it is for so many, at 16 I had thoughts due my family situation, that's been 40 years I have functioned well and survived, and my siblings survived too. Maybe that is it and all of it...
How are you now? Love is the answer,TLC❣️🙏🌅.Truly heals.Dogs love fiercely 🐩🐕
@@pamspencer5733 yes I miss all my pups. Doing the best we can in this scamdemic, hope you are doing well.
55 now and have lost almost any reason to stick around. When a person has skills, fairly intelligent and still physically able and can't find stability it becomes impossible to see a future. Now I'm overqualified for entry level work and deemed to old for most tech positions. Down to it now, forgot I had commented here years ago.
mountaintruth1 deeds call me bro. i’ll give you my number
I m exactly in the same position. Recently, I did find a part time peer support job, (mental illness), in a call centre. Poor pay, but it supplements my Disability income. Also, I feel I am doing something more useful than making a large corporation more money.
This video was so incredibly honest, helpful, insightful & true. As one with Bipolar for almost 30 years, suicide has been an unfortunate reality in my life. I have remained on medication for the past 5 years and it has drastically improved my life. Your knowledge and expertise in this area have been a major part of my success. Thank you.
To expect people to understand depression and suicide is too much. It's not that ppl are bad or mean, it's two things. They want to preserve their own will to live and I cant hold that against them. Second is that it requires an incredible degree of empathy. Much like asking someone how would they feel if they were in a plane crash, they know, mostly by logic, they would be terrified. But their emotional state during an actual plane crash would be insane, far beyond their logical response. Ppl have their limitations. Sadly with mental health issues most people are the equivalent to flat-earthers - that to be emotionally paralyzed and numb is absurd, that the reality is happiness is in ones own hands so by default you are choosing this state, that you are ungrateful, not counting ones blessings etc.
Lots of people understand depression and suicide.
@@florencevandermeer9447 I refer to ppl who havent experienced depression.
And even then... It's also an ethical question. If you're planning to do it and you tell a friend, that friend now faces a MASSIVE moral dilemma; is he going to report you to the police? Or is he going to let you make the decision? I think best not involve people that are too close. If you hint at it and go through with it they will just guilt trip themselves even more. And then, as the friend - just trying to empathize and saying "I understand how you might think that" could be catastrophic, because the other could then conclude that their decision is indeed justified and rational. On the flip side, being judgemental in the slightest could also tip them over the edge. So as a suicidal person I just wouldn't burden someone with that shit.
I mean even with professionals - they can't give you the will to live and if you show signs of active suicidality they are obliged to take your freedom from you and possibly forcibly medicate you; now, is that gonna make anyone feel better? No, and studies show that.
> Sadly with mental health issues most people are the equivalent to flat-earthers Are you saying water doesn't find its level?
What's the % risk for severe chronic pain patients, that don't have a decent treatment for it? It must be high I guess.
Speaking of depressive disorders. "High" dosages (200-300mg p.d.) of magnesium helped me with my depression.
I am bipolar, I'm sure I will kill myself someday. It is too much, and too easy to leave.
Make sure to leave a note for your loved ones. They shouldn't have to live with questions for the rest of their lives.
@Roberto Insingo tell someone close
I’m reading her book now. She looks like princess Diana
that what I thought!
I don't have "symptoms" my brain seams to just have a switch, life is good but on any given day, my brain just says end it today. I fight it untill it switches off again. I don't know if the Drs could help me with mine. I just keep busy and hang out with people who don't have a clue.
I'm not a doctor nor pretend to be one but that sounds like text book Bipolar 2. Obviously consult a licensed clinician to confirm. If so, add some lithium carbonate to your daily regime. It balances mood far better than the expensive designer prescriptions do and less side effects.
Excellent
No one who has mental illness can properly orchestrate a discreet act such as suicide. Normal people with issues do.
I am 55, single, childless, job less, career less, living alone overseas, never married disabled, just one living brother who is very ill...Scary as fuk
You seem happy on the photo
David Pearl I would like to connect Please email me @ loveandcompassion19@gmail.com
If that's you in profile pic you are a handsome guy man, especially for your age. Keep going brother you got this
I hope things are going well for you David! I appreciate your post.
Perhaps routine vaccinations are damaging the developing brain.
Nah. We could pick out a billion such things
it's just a matter of time for me to end this horrible life
Yeah if you can, give some therapists a try. I decided to go to therapy for my family members, not myself. Try some lexapro or other SSRIs. Its amazing the combination to two can have.
I know exactly what you mean
Totally
@Roberto Insingo fuck you ignorant piece of shit
@@lukaskaltenmaier3808 ahahaha. Good one me too. I'M ABOUT TO TAKE MY OWN ALSO
Just let them do it. They want to die, let them! Why stop them? It’s their choice. If they’re over 18 y/o, then they can make up their own mind and they have every right to kill themselves. They’ll save tax payers millions from the multiple psychiatric admissions to hospitals each year as well as decrease the nurses workload having to deal with them every month.
OG213LA Life is freedom. I should have the freedom to live or die. I should have the freedom to walk into a drug store and buy euthanasia at a reasonable price without a prescription and end my life. We value freedom in America, especially second amendment rights to bear arms to protect ourselves. Why shouldn’t I have the freedom to protect myself from living a life I do not choose? Taking away my freedom is a form of slavery. True freedom gives me the right to live or die on my own terms. If this professor chooses to live with a serious mental illness, it is her freedom to do so taking lithium. She doesn’t have the right to preach her way of life to other Americans who choose not to suffer mental illness and madness.
It was never a choice for me to attempt suicide. I was ill and the pain was unbearable and the thoughts and feelings would not go away. I wanted to live...I remember being terrified of having to die alone. If you have cancer and you become very weak, is it your choice to feel weak? If you have parkinsons, is it your choice to have tremors? When you have a mental illness with symptoms that originate from the brain, suicidality is a serious symptom. You have some sort of illness yourself because it is abnormal to be so non-empathic. Is it your choice to not care about others?
@@onetwo19 I love how you compared physical illness to a mental one because at the end of the day...that's what it is...a illness it's just that illnesses can take form in a mental state, physical or emotional. I was suicidal too, I have borderline personality and using that perspective helped me greatly to understand myself and to help others understand mental illness.
Find a purpose that has a meaning FOR YOU!....I retired a few yrs ago....after 30/40 yrs of a very active working life...w/its good and bad periods...then after I retired, ...The whole thing came crashing down...Always been good at hiding it but Oh....I felt/feel it...the lack of purpose ...I exercise excessively to be busy....mostly....afterwards I just lay down....nothing to do...
Yeah, I have the opposite problem. I can't function normally when I have to work. I'd retire immediately if I could and I'm 24
A lovely expose on thoughts from a life under this type of tragic spell. As an Artist, I only wish one might consider the depressed state as a specific state of mind, and one that might serve as a fundamental state from which one might explore tangential emotional opportunities.
Why should being on medication, prevent a well respected scholar (as Kay is), from teaching all she has learned, both at university, and in her life experience? Why would anyone find this "odd"? If a doctor has a manageable disease and takes medication for it, is that doctor LESS qualified to study the disease and lecture about it, to help others? Think of Steven Hawking and the shape he's in, physically!!! It doesn't disqualify a person at all -- especially in mental illness -- in fact it gives them insight !!!
A. Maria Finta de G. Some have severe conditions other mild
You are correct. The Stephen Hawking argument is a badvone though, because it's about suffering, not pain; they are not the same thing and people have different thresholds for pain. A 'reason to live', a belief system etc.., makes you a lot more resilient to pain and thus you suffer less. Hawking didn't suffer as much as the guy next door who hanged himself in his backyard - or he would have done exactly the same thing.
26:57. Shes on this medication and she's teaching on this topic? Sounds odd to me. Not un warranted, just odd.
FUGYOO who more qualified? as long as she's in her right mind. personal experience with this issue is probably impossible to truly explain. at least I haven't been able to.
I concur unknown. I just think it somewhat peculiar. No doubt she is more qualified than I. Interesting topic.
How does that matter even in the slightest? I honestly want to know
Are you saying that people with mental illness are not smart
Ignorant comment
At 51 I just think I could disappear and my family would never know, I would just be gone. Of course with all my cross country road trips that would have been fairly straight up. The problem is when you have purpose things are doable, its when you lose purpose and reason for life that it becomes intolerable to ignore. I fight it daily in our world of meaninglessness, first thoughts were 35 years ago for me. Not a good family situation, but then everything is ahead of you at that age. Now the safety net falls away, I have never had more than recreational drugs but think I have always fought depression even through successful career and owning a business for 10 years. My parents have been offline since my teens and that is damn depressing, still alive but not really there. Few friends still alive and the ones that are have very little resemblance to the people I once knew, so there is a factor of isolation as well. Well I guess life has had a lot of reasons to be depressing, but not always so. I just see no more purpose in the current conditions of the country, unemployment is a huge factor. Trust in people is also a big problem in social networks. The loss of hope in a future is the root cause of depression.
+mountaintruth1 --- I hear you.
I know I(we perhaps) are not alone in feeling these things. They are not imagined as some would have us to believe. Sometimes I have thought suicide might be a quick solution to a long term problem. At some point some of us run out of reasons to continue in misery. For me, siblings and a friend, I think is the only reason I carry on. I can overlook my demise but not the pain I would cause them.
Hey mountain. There are three of us here who will be your friends. Sounds like you're focused on only your family and alleged friends. I suggest stepping outside of that. The world is full of more good people than bad. We only see more of the bad on news and social media. We only get one life in this body. Make good of it and don't let people rent space in your head. Have a blessed life and peace to you.
Thanks Fugyoo, you are correct and of course even in the worst of it part of me knew these things. The old saying "carry the world on your shoulders" was not working for me. I have known for some who is able to deal with the world. The illusion that truth is easy can be a deadly one, truth is very unpleasant, I think mostly because we have to lose all the junk this life can throw at us. Peace to you.
mountaintruth1 Just put the left foot in front of the right. No matter how weary your feet are, how heavy that pack is, how raw your head feels from that friggin steel pot, ie the truth, you can get through it. Had I conveyed that to my son two weeks ago before he put a bullet in his head, things may be different today. However, we just have to stay the course. May you be blessed with wisdom that you need through your trying times. Peace.
Thanks for posting it Adam! By the way I have read her book 'un 'an unquiet mind' and just began 'when night fall; understandig suicide'. Yes i suffer from depression but fortunatelly today I have reasonably rare events and is not severe, thanks God and medications with the supervision of course of a psychiatrist of my confidence and empathy. My curiosity Adam is if the date of the posting of this video (april 2015 ) is the same date when the lecture above took place..if not when was it? Thanks and greetings from rio de janeiro
This was on Feb 3, 2001. The book was written in 2000 and her speaking tour was right after that. The quality and CSpan’ish nature of the video quality are the giveaway. Also the copyright of her her book. But this University of Toronto talk was on Feb 3, 2001.
I hope you are well and fully recovered. I see this in 2023 🥹