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Thanks for the shout out my man; was great having you in raid. -Keedz

I played on spanish server back in 2019. There was only one realm and peak population of around 5k, most of them in Horde, and there wasn't any layers. From my personal experience in (griefing) world bosses, I can say that all that should matter here is having fun denying enemy coalition from killing it. Don't commit to scouting/second account/dealing with bots if you don't enjoy the Pvp, the sauce, the drama. If you only want some loot this content is not for you. Only around 4 items are really worth and if your server is decently populated you are competing even against people from guilds of your own coalition too. The loot that matters in a dominant coalition is part of guild politics and is, concealed or not, already sorted out, doesn't matter if you break your back scouting, summoning, griefing, etc. Be mindful it's not only scouting but the logistics of bringing +40 people there, having summoners, clickers, mages for ocasional raidwiping, lvl1s to grief Kazzak, hunters for kiting Azu, a lot of stuff going on. The loot, again from my personal experience, is just a secondary flex. No one will remember you had the hit cloak or the wand, everyone (even people not involved in WBs) will remember stealing a kill. Imo the automated scouter doesn't change much, it's just the obvious development of the bot situation. I wouldn't want to be involved into WBs being random loot piñatas. I would choose bashing my horns against other players, (even own faction) everytime.

Saying horde have a racial advantage in large scale world pvp is wild. Paladin bubbles + freedom + bops, mages with escape artist, stone form to get out of blinds, fear wards but horde have the advantage because of will of the forsaken and a 15 % stun resist that doesnt even matter in a sapper war lol

the tragedy of the commons strikes again. On another topic, have you ever shared your thoughts on guild banks publically?

The shadow damage pants from Kazzak are BIS for shadow priests. Not giving it to the shadow priest was a douchey move. You sound like a tool bag.

So you just havnt ever played classic before aye? On my server Thunderfury in 2019, there were no guilds that killed world bosses. It was all a world boss discord. Randoms from every guild. You did need to be invited in, ofc we didnt want every default UI shtter getting in, theyre bad. Kinda looks like you are too. They get fked up with internal politics almost always? No. The system was ms>os and if you spotted you got a bonus +15 or something on your roll. We were the only people on that killed world bosses. Horde would try but couldnt kill them. I had several pieces of loot. You would get a ping at 2 in the morning and forreal we would go kill with a group of 25. It was easy asf.

So many self professed PvP enjoyers just go to Hillsbrad at level 60 and camp lowbies. It's stupid, it's boring. The only time my folks would consider doing such a thing is if OUR lowbies are being camped while leveling and we need to clear out a zone so they can actually res and play the game lol. It gets pretty ruthless in the WPvP scene. So stupid of that rogue to go to a guild he clearly doesn't agree with lmao.

We had a coalition on Nightslayer a few days ago. It got crashed, spammed with racial slurs, and deleted lol. So, we made a new coalition, except it's not for any loot - it's a PvP coalition. Every guild in there has sworn they don't care for, nor want any of the loot, we just want to make sure Horde get net 0 World Bosses. We have the networks, scouts and everything going, but all to disrespect Horde.

The sweaty classic player needs to be studied in psychology courses. This is batshit insane.

To me softres always seemed like the best option, and if you wanna spice it up you can track attendance and add to peoples rolls according to how many weeks they had the item reserved

I wonder if Vanilla attracts autistics or if it simply brings out the little bit of autism in all of us….

Bro the world boss coalition on nightslayer blew up before it even launched 😂

Nah bro for me it’s about the demolisher 😂

We had a guild on Rattlegore that dominated world bosses on Alliance side and we were able to "heatmap" the spawns. Once we had that, we were able to predict the spawns within a 4-6 hour window. It was a game changer.

Love all these monologues coming out lol, taking me back

It's not a suprise they didn't want to work with you. You sound like a narcissistic psychopath.

TLDR: wow should permaban anyone with a mental illness.

so you're saying i have no chance at the kazzak mace?

Not currently playing but I find your videos interesting from a game theory/psychohistory perspective. Are you familiar with Robert Greene? It sounds like you are.

Don't forget to seed an instance so you get more drops

Everyone back then did suck, in fact they were total ass. I played a mage and would lead damage in my raid without getting world buffs or having flask of supreme power.

hey I use this threat tool. I have a question, sometimes it calculates threat as if a log were played in cata classic, why?

I like your attitude, depression has fucked me over

I like the preparation in Classic and how it can vastly improve your gameplay, I don’t mind WB’s because the reward is totally worth it for the effort you put into it

I had a lot of respect for you until you joined my Arena/Anger/Golem run on your warlock and quit just because your loot didn’t drop from the ogre.

i think this just comes from a lack of introspection and actually sorting out your values/principles. the only reason other people's version of fulfillment frustrates you is because you dont really have idea of what that looks like for yourself. many people get stuck focusing on happiness or achievement, but life is actually much more than that. id wager the person you feel is ruining their life on the game could actually be closer to fulfillment than you are. food for thought.

It’s really funny because if you truly understood the science based human history you would know that we are all pretty fucking related to one another.

I’m on dreamscythe but wish I could join your guild lol

This is the best podcast

We all complain, but there is no reason to do it. At the end of every problem we have, there is always the question "what are you going to do about it?" If you genuinely care about the solution, the answer will never be to complain.

The game is very easy. This is a fact, the mechanics are simple and repetitive. The hard part of the game is its social aspect, gathering 25/40 competent people or finding a good guild willing to play with you is the hard part.

Nax 40 back in the day was insanely difficult. Most Guilds could not even clear a few bosses. Today its a bit of a joke. Tho I will say KT has a ton of mechanics and abilities for a vanilla boss. Bit of a foreshadowing for things to come in TBC. 20 years ago we all played the game very differently than we do today. And the average player was much worse. Classic players in general are bad, but the amount of tools and information available today is crazy. Many players that came back for Classic never stopped playing WoW (like me). And got use to the Retail speed long ago. In comparison Classic is slow and super simple. TLDR: 20 years ago people who cleared Nax were insanely good players. Many of which today (that kept playing) are in top Guilds. We all evolve and they were elite then and are elite now on Retail. The bad players also got better in time, they surpassed vanilla content skill wise and now trying to flex at how easy it is with out realizing that they are 2 decades behind the curve.

mechanically, the game is very easy. The challenge comes from another one of your myths, wrangling retards. Even without world buffs, anyone who can clear even a normal raid in modern retail wow can clear naxx, and thats okay. Challenge is not the point of classic WoW. I've ran enough gdkps to know that even if half the raid are dead weight, you can kill KT with no world buffs.

why do i love listening to your rants so much lol

The thing with classic endgame is the nature of the time commitment. I don't mind bashing my head against a boss for an entire night. I even enjoy it because it means I am getting better at the game while doing it. However, I loathe doing the mindless prep work : farming way too many consumables and getting world buffs in the case of classic. It's even worse when you die because you lose so much of that time you had to invest. From TBC onwards, it becomes bearable precisely because you have much less consumables you can farm and world buffs are a non-issue. The only thing you really need to reapply in TBC after a death is your food buff. Your flask persist through death and so does your sharpening stone / oil. The most fun I had while raiding was progressing savage in FFXIV precisely because of how little investment it requires of you outside of raiding and how the fights are knowledge based. For reference, the only buff you can use is a food buff that lasts for an hour, can be stacked up to two hours and persists through death. You also have potions on a 2 (?) min CD that give you a stat boost for something like 20 seconds, but you normally keep those only for fights you really could use the extra power. Best thing is that food and potions are dirt cheap. Imagine spending less than 5g worth of consumables for an entire night. Ironically enough, the only time I cleared Naxx was on a private server that used a modified TBC client for stability reasons. We were capped at 60 with classic talent trees, but some TBC holdovers persisted. The best of those was the battle/gardian elixir limit. Meaning you could only use a battle and guardian elixir or a flask. Lots of world buffs got treated as elixirs in TBC which made them unusable. The only ones exempt from that were the dragonslayer and ZG buffs. Now, that server had a low population, with less than a thousand people which meant that there weren't many heads/hearts getting popped so those were saved only for attempts where that extra boost of power could push us past the edge. So the only time I killed KT in a classic-like environment, I did without worldbuffs and with only a flask and food. I quit classic in phase 2 because my friends had the stupid idea of rolling on a pvp server. But honestly, the mindless farm would have gotten to me before Naxx was released anyway. I did play through TBC on a PvE server until my guild died in Sunwell. It was fun until Felmyst reminded us that we had been carrying some people through the rest of the expansion and that Sunwell wasn't that kind of place.

Just because you need wb's and consumes to clear something doesn't mean it's not easy. It just means it's effort. I can't say that any of the classic raids were even remotely comparable in difficulty to any of the raids past Legion. The mechanics involved in classic raiding are largely trivial and the mechanics before that even more so. It's largely a game about organising and equipping the people and that is great in and of itself. Raids don't need to be hard.

Internet epistemology: the truth is in the TH-cam videos that have ~60% thumbs up/thumbs down ratio, and on reddit the true posts tend to be amongst the most downvoted. People hate people who tell the truth.

One thing raiding has taught me is that you have no idea what you're talking about until you've done it yourself. I had no clue how tanking worked until I started raid tanking. I had no idea how often a group wipe was avoided by a clutch heal until I started healing. These comments come from one of two places. Either an elitist min/max prick who has a superiority complex because I knows something. Or an oblivious and entitled schmuck who doesn't know what he's talking about. Both can be ignored. Vanilla wow is a massive time sink if you really want to play the game. Gamers were already a niche group of people and the game was designed to be challenging. Which means it's not everyone. It's no surprise so few people cleared endgame. The coordination + time commitment + find like minded people, all on top of the normal time investment of wow. Hats off to all the good raid leaders I've had throughout my wow career.

People that play well and make good social impressions tend to like LC. Wonder why?

People that play well and make good social impressions tend to like LC. Wonder why?

Online game communities suffer from a tremendous amount of apex fallacy.

The Cathun story gets me every time. On Pservers pre-nerf Cathun was killed no problem (it's reasonably hard). It's just people back then were really bad (including Ian).

You're a very eloquent speaker. When you got to the part about revulsion at not utilizing one's full effort you sounded like Agent Smith talking about his disgust with humanity. I felt it. In most of my WoW career (Vanilla, TBC, Cata, MoP) I was content to raid with people I'd befriend while playing the game, which meant being in decent but not great guilds. The amount of time just a few people who don't bother trying can steal from everybody else became apparent. In Classic I decided it was high-tier guilds only and, fortunately, things worked out nearly perfectly. I had the pleasure of logging in to raid with many private-server vets who knew a lot and were eager to learn more, always prepared to the best of their ability, usually open to feedback, unashamed to ask questions. In that environment I began to recognize a stark contrast with how 99% of the other people play the game. Some lessons: surround yourself with good people who are always striving to maintain or improve. Pride and ego are good things when they're earned through actions and they are different than the pride and ego of mediocre people. Doing a favor should not feel like it costs you anything: do favors habitually for others and foster an environment where favor doing is the norm, because you will be around people who will happily fill in your shortcomings. These are some of the things that people mean when they talk about developing a winning culture...they just never get granular and talk about what that actually requires. Shout out to Shard of <Risen> for fostering an amazing guild environment.

As a guild leader, raid leader, and main tank from BC through the end of Cata, I felt a lot of what you had to say.

cope

I was in one of the guilds that actually killed Kel'Thuzad pre-TBC. Validus on Mal'Ganis. I played holy paladin. Anyway, player skill/game difficulty back then vs today is fascinating topic, but it's a conversation you can only have with someone who is ready to entertain a lot of nuance in the discussion. It's not like players are smarter today, as in their brains are more powerful (Flynn effect on IQ over the last 20 years notwithstanding lol), and in fact, I think good players of today actually have less deep mechanical knowledge of WoW's systems than the good players of ~15-20 years ago had. But still, way, way more players clear the content today than they did then. Players are more skillful, whether than means they have the knowledge on how to push their buttons more optimally, or it means the boss mods and weakauras are so strong today that they are just constantly steered toward the most optimal next in-game action, or maybe (probably in my case), you've raided enough hard encounters that forced you to grow as a player such that when you come back to Naxx and the original void zones from 2006 just don't seem that deadly anymore. Whatever the case, players are more effective. Does that mean they're actually better players? Why was the content so hard for us 20 years ago?

NA really does have some peculiar takes regarding video games and how people approach them / self accountability of performance within group environments. Ever since I was a kid I just wanted to improve and understand systems, particularly in video games. There also seemed to be many of us that did the same (wow and other games confirm this). But the amount of NA player base that arguably spends the same amount of time, effort, and care yet have 0 interest in self retrospection / analysis (in terms of video games, not personal behaviour) is baffling. I don’t care at all if you genuinely love to relax, play feelscraft, and do your own things. Likely lots of alts or not max level etc. hell I’m a classic Andy and I respect that. But to then criticize or become hostile with any notion of optimizing self play- so baffling to me. Just say that’s not for you, and that’s ok lol. Similar things exist in COD and League. In COD warzone saw an influx of new casual players and holy hell their views on “sweats” Whereas league is the complete opposite. People that play a ton and care a ton but don’t self analyze to improve. Really interesting stuff (which is typically on full display in r/classicwow) lol.

Lich king heroic was what gave away the plot to me. I watched two separate raid groups get destroyed from the long term rot of skill and communication gap. This happens and the narrative or “easy” content will just contribute.

World buffs in raids if f'ing toxic. In the open world, fine. But when you need world buffs to clear raids, then it shows that your group isn't good enough to do raids. Not to mention the time it takes to get them and all the prep that comes with it, just to be forced to log out just to keep the buffs. This means you're not even playing the game at this point. I mean, am I the only one who feels this way about world buffs in raids?

Oh yah dude I wish I could spend more time on wow but I have way too much going on in life wow is kinda crazy the hoops they make you jump through I enjoy having to use macros even hunt for world buffs make a guild n what not but yah I have to play it on a personalized private server because I don’t think I can keep up with the loot treadmill I really love the game and will try my hardest to get to 60-70 & clear all the raids n stuff up to wrath but yah I may have to tap out for some of those ret grinds and defs do not have time to level alts. I just wish it could be like back in the old days where this content took a long time to release not oh dude they drop phase 3 next week etc I just don’t know it’s easy for me to get burnt out on running classic dungeons and grinding it’s a beautiful beautiful game and PvP is super fun with the right friends I also love PVE but yah it’s a shame how I have just way to many 3D art projects and real life goals to become like the kids in the South Park wow episode