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Then it would not be a single kite record with a second kite.

I have 36 km of Dyneema and Spectra lines, These are the strongest lines weight for diameter. Our line was 12.km x 0.08 mm diameter.

How long would the camera battery last?

Dyneema or UHMWPE fiber. Manufactured by DSM in Holland and braided by Cousin Trestec in France. All my lines were supplied under sponsorship. I have some lines I purchased from Taiwan which was made from Dyneema fiber from Toyoba in Japan. The US version is Spectra which is a Dyneema copy.

Are you sure you have looked at the 10's of millions of videos on line? Would you fund a David Attenborough team to film our next record attempts? It should only cost about $150,000. Our aim was to break the world record, not entertain some pedantic, smartass, know-all cocks.

What?

GPS telemetry and GPS data recorder. Also, we used a theodolite which is a surveyor's optical tool to measure the kite's angle.

XDD

He probably thought you were lying and just showing him a string hologram. 😂

@cynthiademario7331 What is the new record then?

@cynthiademario7331 Ha ha, if you put it like that..why not 👍

Well the record in this video was broken in 2016

Registered in Guiness?

Bet

Mike Richards made it. He is the owner of Kite Magic, a kite business in the southern suburbs of Sydney, Australia.

Go ahead.

For it's strength, nylon line is very thick. It would have aerodynamic drag many times greater than the Dyneema line we use. The maximum line tension was 122 lb. and our line is 300 lb. breaking strength but only 0.8 mm thick. Apart from being not strong enough, fishing line would prevent our kite from reaching record altitude.

In the video you can see 4 team members and three witness. You can also see the launch, the winch operating and the big reel and line. The flight data is included on the web site. What else do want? Ok, then it will be easy for you to beat our record. 1. Permit from your local aviation authority 2. Suitable flying location. 3. Design and build a kite. 4. Study winds for you area. 5. Purchase at least 15 km of line. 6. Purchase suitable GPS telemetry devices. 7. Apply to Guinness World Records. 8. Advertise with various kite clubs World wide.

@@droceretik well my comment was more of I thought it would be simple but apparently it's not if you have a crew. If you have a crew then it's not hard to do it compared to being alone. As you can see I wrote I expected not what I saw.

@@phdyoutubedegree1939 The crew is 4 life long kite builders and fliers. Mike Richards owns Kite Magic and exhibits kites at festivals around the world. Roger Martin builds elaborate kites and attends festivals in Asia. Mike Jenkins builds kites, attends festivals and attends festivals with Mike Richards. I have been a kite builder and enthusiast for 59 years. I am the team leader and built the winch and designed the telemetry systems. It took 8 years and 54 flights before we found the right wind conditions.

Gps telemetry. GPS to kite then radio signal to base station (laptop). See the website

GPS

So how is the kite shown with a camera when it is above cloud? How about when the kite was launched? It is shown flying at over 1,000 ft. The onboard GPS telemetry tracks the kite in real time to within 0.01% accuracy. The line payout meter showed 12,200 metres of line. Why are you better than Guinness World Records at evaluating the authenticity of a record? I submitted 26 pages of evidence.

Didn't forget. GoPro battery duration in insufficient for a 12 hour flight. Time lapse is an option for the future if we ever have more attempts.

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The kite is constantly moving. It would require a dedicated camera person to keep the kite in view. It was not the object of the kite flight to provide images while it was at high altitude. We captured images on launch and these would be no different to images of the kite at high altitude.

What about intervening cloud which is present more than half the time.

@@droceretik love how you are replying to everybody and helping them

Cloud?

David Attenborough's documentary team at $200,000.

Look it up on you tube.

I've just got here looking for some way for harvesting water from clouds.

@@eternoaprendiz10 Maybe you have info on your attempts? I had the same thought. You can mail to info@greencheck.nl Humidity is low at higher altitudes but clouds are ice. They are also like shredders to kites.. Its not too expensive to try though..

A possible way to do it is using a solar panel and peltier thermoeletric plates for condensate fog.

@@eternoaprendiz10 Sounds heavy.. And its cold up there already..

@@climatesolutionsconference9179 you can use thin layer of semiconductors, both for solar panel and peltier plate. Its necessary to condensate, or aggregate ice, for colecting it.

Ah. You have a lot to learn about trying to break the record. I could list about 10 reasons why that won't work. Happy flying.

@@michaelrichards9731 tell me what would happen.

@@honeyking312 Any "loop" whether another line or metal ring would create friction. Dyneema has relatively low melting point of about 150 deg. C. Using your method would soon see the line severed and kite lost. Another reason is we cannot drive straight through scrub toward the kite. Sure, on a beach and in a park kites can be "walked" down but this is 12 km + line, highly impractical.

How are your record attempts going?

How is it going?

You are invited to be our camera person on our next series of record attempts. You will need to pay your own fares and accommodation and provide your own video equipment. What are your credentials as a camera operator. Photo journalist? Professional camera man? Have you got your TH-cam pseudonym mixed up? Should it be Beard Crettino?

@@droceretik I think I found the camera man..... just saying you guys probably spent around 5-10k on the setup and couldn't have attached a 100 camera on it.... I dont know why you're so upset.... you literally knocked out 2 world records at the same time. Highest kite/worst recorded world record video..... congrats.

@@michigha One of the team members was a professional newspaper photographer for many years. The primary mission was to break the world record with impeccable evidence that satisfied Guinness's rigorous requirements. The photographic and video evidence was sufficient for our needs. I had several people ask why we didn't use a Go Pro on the kite and the detailed answers are above. The camera required to record the flight onboard would be a lot more than "100" as batteries need to last up to 14 hours for flights in Autumn and Spring and the memory storage would need to be enormous. No current high definition video camera has the duration required. I have a 200,000 frame time laps camera now that I may use in future flights. Weight of any equipment on the kite needs to be minimal. If you send me your credentials, you are welcome to come for future attempts providing you pay for all your costs. Somehow you think quality television program footage and David Attenborough quality videos are somehow a doddle. I enquired about a professional cameraman for the duration of each attempt and it would have cost at least $5,000 for each series and $50,000 for the entire 10 years. I think you are trolling and perhaps you should contemplate doing something more useful or creative.

They said it was 12 kilometres of line which is about 40,000 feet, so I believe the answer is 16,000 feet of actual altitude. Must have an altitude sensor on it

The kite's altitude was 16,009 ft. above the altitude of the flying field as measured by onboard GPS and corrected for error determined by comparison with government survey points in the Sydney metropolitan area and certified by registered survey engineers. The raw GPS data showed 16,038 ft. and 29 ft. was subtracted to give the record accepted by Guinness. 12,200 metres of line was released and the kite was at an elevation of 25 degrees. The line was at angle of 15 degrees from horizontal at the winch. Line showed a sag of 10 degrees with a maximum tension of 122 lbs. The line used is not "rope" and is 8 ply braided Dyneema or Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene cord, 0.8 mm in diameter with a specific gravity of 0.97. This means it will float on water. It is the highest grade of sythetic fibre that braided fishing line is made from. It was specially produced from DSM Dyneema fibre supplied to line manufacturer Cousin-Trestec in France under a sponsorship arrangement. Planned record attempts will aim for 25,000 ft. above ground level for a single kite and 40,000 ft. for a train of kites. The line used will be supplied under sponsorship from fibre manufacturer, Toyobo in Japan and New Zealand line maker, Tasline. There were 2 GPS recievers on the kite. The main units was a GPSFlight telemetry system and the backup was a HOLUX GPS data recorder. The radio telemetry send positional data to a ground receiver (Windows laptop) in real time so we know where the kite is and it's altitude at all times. We also track the kite with an astronomical telescope and a theodolite to monitor it's shape and performance but with cloud cover this is not possible. The line tension is monitored with a hydraulic tension gauge. The progress of our new series of record attempts can be followed on our Facebook pages. facebook.com/donate/307298369939345/

In the video he says, 12 kilometers of line, which given the angle of inclination at the winch, and understanding that the line drags itself down so the angle at the kite itself will be much steeper, you can see how you would need that much line to get the altitude that he did.

current update

@@arsalali69 New kite complete. Covid 19 preventing travel to our flying site. Other preparations in progress including rebuilt winch and GPS systems.

Difficult to make onboard videos that are 10 - 14 hours duration with Go Pro due to battery duration. I am going to have a go at time lapse video with a special camera that has 200,000 image max then stitch to 30 fps for a 10-15 video.

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The record kite is kept by Mike Richards at Kite Magic's kite shop in Sydney. We used 4 versions, one of which was lost in 2005, one was damaged beyond repair in 2012 and one was replaced due to material stretch, wear and tear. I have an unflown version which we will be modifying soon with carbon spars. We may try other designs in October 2019 at our new sight at Bulgoo Station near Cobar in Western NSW, Australia.

I enjoy your flat earth debunking work. I am thinking of how to incorporate additional globe earth proofs into the 40,000 ft' kite train record attempts.

The colour of the kite is almost irrelevant because after 5,000 ft. it is just a speck. The altitude is verified by onboard GPS telemetry in real time and GPS recording devices on the kite. The kite colour is dictated by what ever spare cloth Mike Richards has in his kite shop when he decides to build some kites. We thought the kite colour was important initially but after a couple of series of attempts it was found to be irrelevant.

How is that? It wasn't 16,038 ft. that was submitted to Guinness WRs. It was 16,009 ft. after correction for GPS variations from the average of 2 survey datums. From the surface of the earth or ground level at our location it was 16,009 ft. It would be the same at any location on the surface of the earth. The altitude is based on GPS measurement which uses Mean Sea Level as the reference which is the same local reference irrespective of where I am attempting the record. Your confusing latitude with altitude above ground level which is the local reference.

This was a poor attempt at humor. Just as I spell humor with only one U, I assume that all you tubers are like Americans whose primary response to anything from Australia or New Zealand is to point out the dichotomy between those north and those south of the equator. My joke was meant to suggest that up here, when we look at the sky, we are looking up and down there when you look at the sky, you are looking down. Thus, “negative altitudes”. But this all takes away from the reason I even found your video. You see, we were experience a rather gusty day and my son had just been given a kite for his birthday. So I took it outside, while he was sleeping naturally, and tried to fly it. But our house is surrounded by a rim of trees. The yard provides plenty of runway for kiting, but the wind is above the trees and so I got frustrated and came in to watch someone more successful do something extraordinary! Happy kiting. And congratulations!

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Braided UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene), Dyneema. This line was sourced from two companies. Amika in Taiwan and Cousin-Trestec in France. The Taiwanese line was made from fibres manufactured under DSM Dyneema licence by Toyobo in Japan. It is called Dyneema SK75 and is 0.8 mm in diameter and has a breaking strength of 136 kg (300 lb). Other line was Dyneema SK 75 made by a French rope manufacturer with fibres supplied by DSM Dyneema in Holland under sponsorship. They supplied me with 32,000 metres of various strength lines ranging from 45 kg (100 lb), 76 kg (180 lb), 112 kg (250 lb), 154 kg (350 lb) and 250 kg (550 lb.)lines for the record attempts. The first line intended for high altitude flights I acquired in 2004 was Spectra 900 manufactured by Innotex in the USA which was produced from fibres made by Allied Signals. These lines are weight for weight 40 % stronger than Kevlar, lighter and thinner. I currently have over 54 km. of these very high strength braided lines. The advantage of these lines is their small diameter and light weight. I am currently sponsored by Toyobo in Japan and Tasline in New Zealand. Toyobo manufactured the Dyneema SK75 fibre that went into the first half of line used for the World record flight. They are now producing their own fibre called IZANAS which is equivalent to Dyneema and Spectra. The latest grade they produce may be strongest of all. They are supplying fibre to Tasline in New Zealand who will make the braided line for the upcoming tests and record attempts. The lines are very thin and cannot be handled safely by hand under tension even with a gloved hand. Lines I use for recreational flying and festival displays are made from Dacron which are thicker and easier to handle. Most of the time my kites are relatively large so lines are laid out on the ground securely tethered then kites are launched on a long line. For the record attempts after 2010 I used large aluminium reels with over 12,km of line stored on each reel. We used 12,200 metres of line for the 16,009 ft. record flight. I rarely use this special high strength line for recreational flying. I never use knots to join any line irrespective if it is Dyneema, Spectra or Dacron line but employ splices using special splicing needles. This technique eliminates knots which weaken line. Using these very thin, high strength lines gives about 25% higher altitudes compared to Dacron or Nylon lines. The biggest factor is the reduced wind drag. The second most important factor is their light weight as Dyneema and Spectra have a specific gravity of 0.97 and will float on water. Dyneema, Spectra and IZANAS are very expensive compared to Dacron lines. The total value of line lines I have accumulated through purchase and sponsorship is about $30,000.

Thank you.

See my website at kitesite.com.au/kiterecord/High_Flying.html

Recording time will vary according to the resolution setting used and the card capacity. Here are the average recording storage times for an HD HERO2 camera with a 32GB SD card: 1080p (30 fps): 4h 21m. 960p (30 fps): 5h 26m. Kite flights last up to 14 hours. The record flight lasted about 8 hours so either way it is not going to capture the full flight. I can capture the full flight with my time lapse camera with 200,000 frames giving 55 minutes of 60 fps video or 1 hour 50 min of 30 fps. It may be a bit boring but edited it could include launch, climb to 2,000 ft, climbing from 9,000 to 11,000. Climbing from 15,000 through 17,000 ft to break our 16,009 ft. record then reaching the highest point (hopefully 25,000 ft + then a few segments of the descent and finally the last 2,000 ft to the landing. The time lapse can be widely varied with minimum is 1 FPS to hours per frame. I am choosing 5 secs per frame and for a 12 hour flight, that's 8,640 frames. or 4 min 50 sec of medium resolution video. That's about the maximum attention span of typical TH-cam viewers. I any case it does bolster the evidential portfolio but is not critical, just interesting. I didn't use it on the 2014 record flight because the time lapse camera was a new acquisition and I hadn't fabricate a mount that wouldn't upset the kite's balance. The new attempts will use a new, bigger kite that will have this mount incorporated into its construction.

Where is your expert reply Aaron?

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I have answered the same question in a reply above. This is pasted from that reply with a few lines added below.. Yes, I have attached a still, video and time lapse cameras to kites. The still camera was controlled by a custom timer. You can see the image I captured on the 2009 page of my website. The problem with video cameras is getting the batteries to last for up to 14 hours for a single kite record flight or over 20 hours for record attempt to 40,000 ft for a kite train. Plus they usually have a recording limit of just a few hours, even on low resolution. I routinely attach high intensity LED beacon lights to the kite as it is a mandatory requirement by our Civil Aviation Safety Authority. I am not permitted to fly at night as part of these conditions. This is just an extension of pilot requirements who need to be trained a certified to fly at night. I may ask for variation to these conditions as flights of multiple kites to 40,000 ft may take over 20 hours. I addition to the above, the extra weight and drag of cameras and extra batteries will detract from the record altitude potential. It becomes a distraction to focus on capturing video and images rather than the altitude records which is hard enough. The time lapse camera is capable of 200,000 images and can be made into a movie of 60 fps of about 55 mins. The camera is about 4 times bigger than an I-Phone so may carry drag and weight penalty. If I build a 20% larger kite then attach my time lapse camera perhaps I can get some footage to splice into a video. However the problem with a GoPro is not the image quality or weight but the battery life and perhaps the ability to tolerate very low temperatures at high altitude. Anyway it's not going to happen anytime soon as it took 8 series of week long attempts to break the record. Sure, it may not take that long if i try to up the record because i will be much the wiser about the flying strategies and weather conditions.

Any followup to my reply to your question?

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@@droceretik good work bro

Sure, anyone who flys kite's for fun counts for something. Keep going but going over 1,200 ft above ground level may be pretty tiring to wind in. I remember when I was first going high I had a kite at 2,500 ft on a hand reel and my arm was dead by the time I got it down, plus I was risking prosecution from the Air Safety Authority. Anyway, have fun and use stronger line like Spectra or Dyneema. That will have much less wind resistance than nylon line for the same strength.