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Why Was the Filioque Added to the Nicene Creed?
The addition of the Filioque ("and the Son") to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is one of the most debated theological developments in Christian history. In this video, we delve into the historical, theological, and pastoral reasons behind its inclusion in the Western Church. Starting with its origins in 6th-century Spain as a response to Arianism, we trace its spread to the Frankish Empire and its eventual adoption into the Western liturgy.
We also examine the great schism and modern ecumenical efforts, including dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, to understand the Filioque as a legitimate theological clarification rather than a change to Trinitarian doctrine. Together, we’ll explore how this phrase reflects complementary perspectives on the mystery of the Trinity and the steps being taken today to bridge centuries-old divisions.
Contents:
00:00 What is the Filioque?
00:36 Development of the Nicene Creed
02:27 Arianism in Spain and the addition of the Filioque
03:04 Western Theology influenced by theologians such as St. Augustine
03:23 Third Council of Toledo and the adoption of the Filioque
03:51 Spread of the Filioque into Western Europe
04:07 Charlemagne and the Filioque
04:41 Cultural differences between Western and Eastern Christianity
05:29 The Great Schism of 1054
06:20 Modern Ecumenical Dialogue
08:09 Thank you for watching
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  • @jimjatras1448
    @jimjatras1448 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Very superficial treatment. "It's all just a big misunderstanding, language, politics, etc. You say 'tomayto,' we say 'tomahto.' What difference does it make, can't we just get along?" This is called indifferentism. Neither Orthodox nor Roman Catholics over the past 1,000 years were idiots. The Filioque is a genuine, profound, fundamental question of Trinitarian dogma. For the Orthodox, it is a heretical innovation. If Roman Catholics, however well-meaning, don't understand that, they understand nothing about us. We will not sacrifice truth for unity.

  • @TheWingnut58
    @TheWingnut58 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You failed to mention that the arc of Constantine has many Pagan symbols.....many doubt the authenticity of his "conversion" believing that it was more likely a tool to unite and control....

  • @mikebrown9850
    @mikebrown9850 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You mean “false Christian history “. Revelation 17:4-6

  • @nasticanasta
    @nasticanasta 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    From the religious cults that both serve Satan.

  • @enderwiggen3638
    @enderwiggen3638 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Scripture gives clues to the filioque John 4 verse 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst, the water that I shall give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life. John 7 He who believes in me, as the scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. Rev 22 verse 1 Then he showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the lamb

  • @davidrixon3549
    @davidrixon3549 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sounds like a delicious meal

  • @Nudnik1
    @Nudnik1 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why Christianianity paints all people of their bible as white Europeans? Racist theology. Johanna Comma debate 1John 5:7-8 admitted insertion by church fathers.

  • @AncientFaithExplorations
    @AncientFaithExplorations 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Filioque was added to the Nicene Creed to emphasize the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, addressing theological disputes.

  • @georgemadathiparampil7266
    @georgemadathiparampil7266 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Congratulations. Beautifully explained. Continue this ministry. Fr George Madathiparampil

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@georgemadathiparampil7266 Thank you, Fr. George Madathiparampil! Comments like yours truly make me feel I’m on the right path! 🙏🏻✝️

  • @dakrontu
    @dakrontu 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All because of the lunacy of insisting that their particularly religious leader was the 'son' of their god, a preposterous idea, rightly scoffed at in other religions. But where there's a will... Along with this they have to claim that the virgin birth of Jesus is unique when it blatantly is not ie virgin births were retrofitted to all mythological heroes of any significance, and to revered kings, philosophers, city founders, etc. It makes a mockery of any semblance of dignity and honesty, that endless skullduggery and apologeti crap, were indulged in, due to the desperate clamour for something to make Christianity stand out as unique. You can't always have what you want. In the intervening 2,000 years, the true scale of time and distance in the universe has become apparent, and the utterly preposterous nature not just of Jesus as the son of a deity, but of the deity itself, have become apparent. A deity that presided over a small flat terrain within the Fertile Crescent, whose inhabitants travelled by manly footwear (leather sandals or bare feet) only short distances and had no conception of the geography of the globe such as the existence of the Americas and Australasia and Siberia etc. Now that god presides over trillions of galaxies, and ridiculously has only one place where life matters to him, having a curious interest in squabbling bipeds and what they do with their genitals or their hooved animals or their mismatching clothing fabrics, and not even having the wit to bestow on them a germ theory or a bit of physics or cosmology. What an utter joke.

  • @glendanikolakakos7431
    @glendanikolakakos7431 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What’s stopping the Church of the East and the West to dialogues nowadays ? Why Orthodox doesn’t believe that the Holy Spirit proceed to the Father and of the Son ? Have a debate or Councils, Why stayed in the past ?why not deal our difference now so we can all unite? All the leaders of the church needs is Love and humility towards one another and do the will of God to be United in One Faith, One Baptism, One Lord, One Body 🙏🙏🙏

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@glendanikolakakos7431 I totally agree with you! I think it will take a lot of humility to unite our churches together, but it is something that has to be done 🙏🏻

    • @petert1692
      @petert1692 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why would other Christians want to unite with a pedophile institution based in Rome?

    • @almango873
      @almango873 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think the biggest issue is that the Eastern Orthodox Church isn't one church, rather a group of churches with varying degrees of status and autonomy in communion with each other. The original 4 (or 5) at the time of the schism have now grown to 20+. Most of these churches would be happy to give the Bishop of Rome Primacy if the Roman Church returned to communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches, but not supremacy or authority over them. Pretty much how things were in 1053.

  • @blasvillasmil8875
    @blasvillasmil8875 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Perfect explanation !!! Besides, if you read this three versions of the gospel of John: 15:26 (New King James Version (NKJV), New American Catholic Bible (NACB) and The Orthodox Study Bible (TOSB): ¨But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me¨ (NKJV) ¨When the Advocate comes whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that proceeds from the Father, he will testify of Me¨. (NACB) ¨But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me¨.(TOSB) Our Lord message is very clear (He (Jesus) will send the Spirit that comes from the Father, (but clearly have to be the Son whom send It)), then being Jesus God, and having told that He will send the Spirit of Truth, then It will come from the Father and the Son. I rest my case. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @bobvail1000
    @bobvail1000 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No more than 8 angels can dance on the head of a pin!!! I'll die on this hill!😂

  • @rursus8354
    @rursus8354 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2:37: _"to combat this error"_ neutral narrative? Don't think so.

  • @rursus8354
    @rursus8354 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes the entire creed stuff was created in order to step up conflicts within Christianity.

  • @meereslicht
    @meereslicht 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video. This an important topic and one can see why western theology insisted on the Filioque: everything seem to hinge on the idea that the Holy Trinity must share the same essence among the Persons if we want our Christology to be coherent. If one doesn't agree then one needs to embrace some form of apophaticism with regard to the knowability or understanding of the essence of God, which could be problematic if you recognize at the same time Christ as the second person of the Trinity. This is a problem inside the Eastern tradition, I think. St. Augustin's efforts are, from a hermeneutical point of view, fully understandable.

  • @gregbellinger5765
    @gregbellinger5765 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very well presented. Thanks. GB

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gregbellinger5765 Thank you, Greg! 🙏🏻

  • @grahamtopfuel
    @grahamtopfuel 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please look at a video called The Trinity Model Key Errors to understand why most people struggle with the Trinity Model. It's an interesting new perspective on the Trinity Doctrine

  • @stevenovetsky3274
    @stevenovetsky3274 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Edifying clarity, thank you.

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stevenovetsky3274 I’m happy you liked it! Thank you 🙏🏻

  • @etracktrading
    @etracktrading 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😁👋🏻👍

  • @helpmaboabb
    @helpmaboabb 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The addition of the suffix "que" was a common Latin device meaning "and", for example, "terra marique" meaning "by land and sea", rather than "terra et mari". There's nothing special about "filioque" as it just means "and the son", as an alternative to "et filio".

  • @kerrylawson7515
    @kerrylawson7515 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The "-que" gets its own syllable, pronounced "kway".

  • @jLjtremblay
    @jLjtremblay 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    GREAT video! And no need to apologize for pronunciation. Thanks!

    • @jimjatras1448
      @jimjatras1448 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, there is. How can someone produce a whole video and not bother to learn how to pronounce the key term feature in it? What would we think about a video concerning the papacy where "Pope" is pronounced "poppy"?

    • @jimjatras1448
      @jimjatras1448 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It undermines confidence in the rest of the analysis, which in fact can be sustained only if one accepts modern ecumenists notions that the whole thing is just a big misunderstanding. That view is an insult to faithful Orthodox and Roman Catholics alike.

    • @jLjtremblay
      @jLjtremblay 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jimjatras1448 Bullshit! Get a grip! You pronounce EVERY Latin-based word that has entered the English language as it was once pronounced in Latin?! Hardly. Nor do we pronounce every French word the way it is pronounced in French. You obviously don't know squat about linguistics.

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @jLjtremblay Thank you! I completely agree with you. The English language contains a significant amount of Latin vocabulary, including words that are identical to their Latin counterparts but are pronounced differently by modern English speakers. I acknowledged my mistake in a pinned comment on the video-but I suppose people will still complain.

  • @mjford6152
    @mjford6152 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    PFM

  • @challengable
    @challengable 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Surely the Church cannot and will not deny the doctrine of co substantial existence inherent in the Trinity. If the East accepts this, then let them drop their heresy and unite with Rome. Why have they not done this? Maybe Bergoglio has complicated this by blessing perverted human sexuality. Pray for the man, that he will convert to the faith of our fathers. Poor, poor Pope Francis and all who follow his apostate ideas.

  • @DannyG-v1k
    @DannyG-v1k 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Was the Philly oak a tree. Must have phd

  • @nachman5570
    @nachman5570 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    People weak of Him memorize creeds😮

  • @rampartranger7749
    @rampartranger7749 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Define “procession” please. Procession from where to where?

  • @studywithmefolks5809
    @studywithmefolks5809 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The only information I find on languages in the lord of Arrata story is that they all be made to speak with one language to address Enlil. I dont find the story saying their languages were confused to thwart any building efforts. Do you have a source? Or are you referring the part where it seems to say Enki did the multiple language thing?

  • @jimpassi349
    @jimpassi349 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A LOT OF THINGS WERE ADED

  • @HipHip_Jorge
    @HipHip_Jorge 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amen! Good video! May we all work to reunify our churches!

    • @jimpassi349
      @jimpassi349 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT // HOWEVER WE DONT NEED MMORE PEOPLE FIXING THE BIBLE

    • @simonslater9024
      @simonslater9024 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 man made protestant CULTS that serve Satan. There’s ONE CHURCH that’s it. And you have the orthodox CULTS that serve Satan

    • @simonslater9024
      @simonslater9024 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jimpassi349your wrong. The Bible is a Catholic book. The protestant Bible is an incomplete and corrupted Catholic book which I’d rip up. And there’s ONLY ONE CHURCH the holy Catholic Church. Protestant’s are NOT Christian!

  • @blkshk1
    @blkshk1 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So we got pagans determining what's stated or implied in the Jews bible...thus KJ and creed is a corruption of the TANNAK!

  • @ursus9104
    @ursus9104 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    John 20 21Then Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you! [John 14:27] As the Father has sent me, I also send you.” 22When he had said this, he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

  • @thisisgeorge2117
    @thisisgeorge2117 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too often in here is the Nicene Church referred to as the Roman Catholic Church. It was prior to the great Schism, and other than the Filioque heresy that would begin to rear its head in the 850s the West was the same as the East in doctrine. These early Nicene Germans had more in common with the present day Orthodox Church and bore that faith. The papal Church which would definitely swallow up the Germanic lands later is something else. Not a minor detail.

  • @dpkastel
    @dpkastel หลายเดือนก่อน

    No mention of the Council of Florence/Ferrara where the Eastern bishops agreed to the Filioque.

    • @richcook2007
      @richcook2007 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Some Catholics stoop to any level. What the Catholics imagined does not coincide with the concepts concerning the Spirit of Maximus the Confessor and St. John of Damascus. The Florence Council has never been accepted by the Orthodox Church

    • @echoes5476
      @echoes5476 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@richcook2007of course not, because the eastern bishops and clergy who agreed to it and declared it to be ecumenical were coerce by secular authorities to abandon it or killed by laypeople

  • @ewankerr3011
    @ewankerr3011 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There was no papacy in the early days.

  • @ewankerr3011
    @ewankerr3011 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This short video shows just how divided the church was over theological issues. Unfortunately, by insisting on anachronistic understanding of orthodoxy, it gives a false impression .

  • @gpvaneron1584
    @gpvaneron1584 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice video. well done.

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gpvaneron1584 thank you! 🙏🏻

  • @TasKarp
    @TasKarp หลายเดือนก่อน

    How does the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father and the Son (Filioque) and at the same time with Mary incarnates Jesus? It almost seems like instead of a Holy Trinity with the Filioque you end up with 2.5.

    • @Jrs009
      @Jrs009 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Holy Spirit proceeds (as source, as principle) from the Father and is sent to US through (by) the Son. "To proceed" in Latin as a different meaning than the world used in the Nicean Creed in is Greek version. "proceed" can by used too to say the last: we receipt the Holy Espirit send to us by the Son (but who is not is principle). Finally there is a faux controversy based over a semantic ambiguity, but served as excuse for a rupture caused by other political and cultural problems within East and West: the Carolingian "Roman West Empire" founded by the Pope and the rivality between the Patriarchy of Constantinople (seat of the remaining "true" Roman Empire) and the Patriarchy of Rome, "primus inter pares" between the Patriarks but politically independent from the Emperor of the East and militarily vulnerable just before the "imposted" Carolingian Empire. In those times the West was gaining power (Venice, the Franks, the Normands in southern Italy...) and the East was in a really tough position against the Islam... what was before (for example, with Justinian) never would return: the actual power of the Christiany was at the side of the only true Roman Emperor, in Constantinople. The Pope was in his hands or could be in any moment, as the others Patriarchs. But now the "head of the Church" was outside the reach of Constantinople and imposed himself as the renewed seat of a new West Empire.

  • @rhettcovington9131
    @rhettcovington9131 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ex-communication happened because the Bishop of Constantinople wanted the seat of primacy to move to Constantinople, because the capital of the Roman Empire had moved to Constantinople. When that was refused, the argument became that all bishops were equal and none were first among equals. The danger to this is a disintegration of the unity of the church and individual bishops reigning over separate churches. This makes them more vulnerable to nationalization or forming loyalty to secular nations, which ironically was why the west didn’t want to move the chair of Peter to Constantinople. The movement of national capitals or other secular developments should not influence the church.

  • @edwardsolecki6036
    @edwardsolecki6036 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Satan stopped prosecution of Christians when the Gospel lost its power due to false teachers twisting the Truth as foretold by Jesus and Paul Mat.7:15, Act.20:29 "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock." "Christianity" from being "The Way of Life" became state religion, but without the Truth, the power and God's presence. Any "insubordination" was faced with bloody prosecution. In such "state of affair" any so called "Creed" is a farce and only serves as justification of prosecution of truth seekers. Jesus made is very clear that the "time of worshiping Father in any form of religion was ending with His death. And the "worship in Spirit and in Truth" is the only acceptable way of serving God. John 4:21-24. Consequently both Christianity and Judaism as a religion are abominations: as Christianity didn't understand the Messiah, and Judaism rejected Him.

  • @ThisMovieTrailer
    @ThisMovieTrailer หลายเดือนก่อน

    Correction there was no Spain on those days.. details matter..😊 But congratulations Nice video

    • @vvalchanov
      @vvalchanov 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Spain (España) comes from Hispania, the name used by the Romans for the Iberian Peninsula and its provinces during the Roman Empire

  • @joehendrix8175
    @joehendrix8175 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pronounced "filly-oh-quay," not "filly - oke."

  • @mblaydoe
    @mblaydoe หลายเดือนก่อน

    The official position of the Catholic Church to this day is that the "Filioque" is "optional". The Orthodox position is that nothing in the Symbol of Faith-the Creed-should be optional. Orthodoxy believes that the Filioque denigrates the personhood of the Holy Spirit, it that it indicates the Father and Son share something unique, not shared by the person of the Holy Spirit. It was added unilaterally by the Roman Church, without any consent or discussion with the Eastern Orthodox, which sort of destroys the whole idea of consensus or conciliarity.

    • @AlexanderDiviFilius
      @AlexanderDiviFilius 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It doesn’t have to be stated explicitly, but it can’t be denied.

    • @challengable
      @challengable 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Consensus, is that how Christ told the truth to humanity? I think not. You might want to deepen the unity between you and the Father. It has absolutely nothing to do with consensus or conciliatory discussion

    • @Agrabah-yd8yg
      @Agrabah-yd8yg 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Denial of the filioque is heresy.

  • @clarekuehn4372
    @clarekuehn4372 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fili-OH-*kway* is the pronunciation, fyi.

  • @gusloader123
    @gusloader123 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To answer the question which forms the title of this video: ---> To fix the bad and incomplete statement made by the "Eastern Orthodox" churches which obviously had not purged the Arianism from their members/clergy. Many E.O. people are very weak on scripture knowledge and comprehension, preferring instead to watch E.O. priests & bishops do their ceremonies and rituals and "traditions" instead of reading and studying the actual words of Holy Writ. The Filioque is correct. BTW - I am NOT an R.C. member, but it seems to me that the R.C. theologians actually read John chapters 14 and 15 but the E.O. guys did not. I hope that everyone reading the comments and that watched the video will sit down right now and read the Gospel of John chapter 14 and chapter 15 and see what scripture says instead of believing the mystical guys of the E.O. group. The R.C. and the Protestants are much more Trinitarian than the E.O. churches. I am sure that many E.O. priests & bishops are still Arians - not really believing that Jesus Christ is fully God and man. They have not read and believed John chapter 14. Turn to Johnn chapter 15 and read verse 26! The Lord Jesus Christ plainly says that HE will send "The Comforter" ((that is The Holy Spirit -not a heavy fluffy blanket)) to the believers. He was speaking to his Disciples just before he was arrested. P.S. --> If you do not have a Holy Bible to read then you can read it for free at www dot justbible dot com God-breathed scripture is always better than human guesses.

    • @miuitest5272
      @miuitest5272 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In John 15:26 is clearly stated that Spirit is proceeding only from Father. Chist just sending Him. If you think that Spirit procceds also from Son, why dont you think that Son borning from Spirit on the par with the Father?

    • @gusloader123
      @gusloader123 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@miuitest5272 ?!? It seems English is not your first language. Not just "spirit" Greek word: "pneuma" but to be exact The Holy Spirit. A PERSON, not a feeling. Turn to Genesis chapter 1 and read verse 26 and 27! "Let us make man in our image". Do you believe in the Triune God consisting of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit? Or --- do you demote The Son from a position of Deity and make him a child of a bigger "god" as the L.D.S. ("Mormons") do? The Lord Jesus before he was crucified told his Disciples that the Comforter would come to be with them after he (Jesus Christ) was gone. How did Jesus know that? I suggest that you and any other Eastern Orthodox person on You Tube sits down and reads John chapter 17 to get a better understanding of "The Father" and "The Son". In the 1980's I worked at a grocery company in California, U.S.A. and there were 4 Greek men on the crew. I had discussions with them (I sometimes would read my Bible on lunch break) and none of the 4 Greeks knew / thought that Jesus was "God in human flesh". I told the then Crew Foreman to read John chapter 1 in his Greek New Testament,,,,, he and the other 3 Greeks never asked me any more questions or challenged me. Obviously, their Greek Orthodox Priests were NOT teaching the whole truth about the deity of Jesus Christ.

  • @PedroHernandez-qz9nv
    @PedroHernandez-qz9nv หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for your excellent work

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@PedroHernandez-qz9nv thank you! 🙏🏻

  • @nel7105
    @nel7105 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Frankish kings wanted to use an innovation to claim legitimacy. They even murdered Pope Leo VIII for defending the Creed without the filioque

  • @davidpostma9862
    @davidpostma9862 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done

    • @Imperial_Legacy
      @Imperial_Legacy หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidpostma9862 thank you! 🙏🏻

  • @charlescresap4451
    @charlescresap4451 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The point is that men decided who God and Christ are. They read what was written many years earlier and applying their authority, they decided who God was and what his plan was. God appoints, man applies. Man does not appoint, man declares what God has done.