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Here are my quick thoughts on the Savoie / McLeod trade that took place on Friday. If you guys enjoy this type of NHL content be sure to subscribe to the channel if you are new!
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Here are my quick thoughts on the couple of moves the Red Wings made today. If you guys enjoy this type of NHL content be sure to subscribe to the channel if you are new! Follow me on Instagram! - ohnyquist Follow me on TikTok! - www.tiktok.com/@ohnyquistt Follow me on Twitter! - OhNyquist Become a channel member! - th-cam.com/channels/Vfl.html... Copyright Disclaimer...
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IMO I think you're a little off on both sides. Savoie may likely play little for the Oilers. His role on the Oilers is he's money in the bank. Excellent trade-bait during the season, and a low cap hit. McLeod is an established NHL player that's responsible and with size -- exactly what Buffalo needs. If Savoie can find a fit in the Oilers lineup, that would be fantastic. But I don't think the Oilers are counting on that.
This is a great trade for the oil. Frees up a spot as they've gotten deeper with the signings. He was super soft in the playoffs and wasn't getting much ice. Saves cash too.
When the first Friedman tweet was posted, "McLeod traded to Buffalo" I just hoped it was for a second round pick, but expected a third. A minute or so later when he tweeted out Savoie was the return I verbally yelled "Holy Shit!". This may very well blow up in the Sabres faces. What a trade!
Nah Ty tulio youngstars legend huge pickup 😂😂
So this is what it feels like to win a trade oilers fans here
Desperation mover by Kevyn Adams after a failed free agency in my opinion. Bought out skinner and failed to replace him. This trade was made to address the need of a 3rd line center and oilers gm capitalized on Adams desperation
Some people like a new paint job and shiny rims. I prefer a solid engine. Plus, we already have rims.
Savoie is a small perimeter player made of glass. Hes been bypassed by multiple younger prospects in buffalo. He will get his chances but will be a nothing burger in the NHL where teams actually play Dfence. He cuts to the center and shoots from above the faceoff dots. Never in front of the net/in the corners/ or on the forecheck. Good luck with him and J skinner
Matt Savoie couldn't stay healthy thru an NHL Development camp. How is he going to do when he's playing on the third line in the NHL against men who play a physical, hard hitting game!? The NHL is a league where size is often the trump card and unless Savoie adds some size to his frame, then he's going to find his transition to the NHL isn't what fans thought it would be. I'll take Ryan McLeod's 219 games played in the NHL over Matt Savoie's three minute and fifty-five second cup of coffee, any day of the week. Lindy Ruff will coach McLeod up and he just might make him utilize his frame and become a net front presence. Those who say McLeod doesn't play in the dirty areas, he's a perimeter player, go ahead and laugh about it... Lindy Ruff worked wonders on Vanek's net front game and I'm betting that he does the same with McLeod.
I really like this trade for the Sabres. McLeod is an awesome 3C and Savoie was probably our 4th prospect at this point. All of the scouts/models point to his stock only dropping since draft day
This move reeks of making a move for the sake of making a move. Adams wants to be seen doing something, as he will probably lose his job if they don’t make the playoffs this year. Legit the only people out there who think that Buffalo actually got fair value are Sabres fans who so desperately need them to actually do something that they will justify horrendous trades like this.
Looks like a good deal for Buffalo, Matt Savoie is good but he is small and the depth Buffalo has . Savoie hasn’t proven he has NHL quality due to his small size . Buffalo needed a speedy penalty killer . I don’t think Buffalo is going to worry much about this trade.
Trade was necessary for the Oilers. McLeod doesn’t make the top 12 this year, he got passed on the depth chart by Holloway.Needed cap space and to be honest he kind of fell off after his family issues back in January. Only 3 G, 8 assists post Jan 24. He looked ok in the postseason not great. 4 G, 0 assists and a minus 7. Also in the playoffs he got moved to the 3rd pairing PK team behind Ryan,Brown,Janmark,Henrique and RNH. The potential and Cap Space makes this an instant win for Edmonton and by a wide margin.
What were your thoughts on drew winning the mitb and failing his cash in in the same night?
Buffalo needed a third line center now, we have plenty of prospect on or near savoies level
McLeod played a ton with Draisaitl during the season. Him and Foegle were able to pad their stats. Clouder is crazy overrated
If you’re still trying to get then you need to study more. Savoie’s was expendable Sabres have a TON of prospects and many first rounders Sabres needed a 3rd line centermen and they wanted bottom 6 players that can skate It’s really simple. You feel it was massive overpayment, the Sabres felt it the was the price of getting a guy they wanted. How many 5-10 guys play 3rd line centermen? With Cozens and Thompson at center, Quinn, Peterka, Tuch and Benson at wings where did Savoie fit into the Sabres roster? Does the guy play like he’s a 3rd or 4th line guy? It’s really simple
The Sabres lost a guy who couldn’t win a puck battle in a PWHL game and gained a guy that just made it to the Stanley Cup finals. He has the most playoff experience on the Sabres roster besides Zucker. Savoie was playing in the WHL as a 20 year old he was a non full grown adult playing with kids.
i really dont think this trade warrants the "OMG BUFFALO FLEECED THEYRE SO BAD" treatment... savoie has never played for us yet, and the sabres have such a deep prospect pool that letting someone go like Savoie wont be a super massive blow... savoie did good in the minors but weve seen guys not reach NHL level when they make the roster... overall buffalo has so many offensive prospect right now that there was no guarentee the sabres would even find a spot in the roster for him anyway with guys like Kulich coming up soon... the sabres traded for what they needed and i feel that matters more than a player who wont be NHL ready for at least another season maybe 2.... ALSO i should add that this wasnt really a suprise for sabres fans... we were pretty confident that Kevyn Adams was either going to trade the 11th overall pick this year (which didnt end up happening) OR trade one of the prospects with Savoie being one of the most talked about names on that list.... i feel like this is a great trade for both teams and im just hoping and praying that Mcleod can save the depth hole on the sabres roster like we need him to
It's a matter of cash back for others
I’ll never understand.
I live in Rochester savoie is not good they have prospects that passed him they don’t need the same type of player over and over maybe that’s buffalos fault for drafting the same types of player but if you can’t understand this trade you haven’t seen savoie play it’s a smart trade for both parties the kid is not that good maybe he can develop better with the oilers but I doubt it
Savoie is unproven if savoie does nothing then this will age well let’s see how it goes
If you still can't figure it out then you're an idiot. Do a little research and you'll see why it's a great move for Buffalo right now.
finishing isnt Mcleod's problem, its having watched too much top gun and hes obsessed with fly-bys... I think he thought the league would be no hitting by the time he went pro so never bothered to learn
Jeff Jackson fleeced this trade and is one of the biggest winners in free agency. How this guy does not want to be the GM just shakes my head
Probably doesn't want the pressure that Ken Holland had
Savoie played for my local WHL team for the later part of last season. He averaged over 2 points per game in the regular season and 1.26 per game in the playoffs. I'm an Oilers fan, but I feel for Buffalo. You got robbed.
Funny, I watched the Memorial Cup and Savoie was practically invisible. Very pleased with this trade, the Sabres need to win NOW, not three years from now. You do realize the Sabres have not made the playoffs in a record 13 years, right? Everyone outside of Buffalo just does not understand what it is the status of this franchise.
@@josephkelch1332As a Oilers fan have to kinda agree to this. He propably will become solid top 6 option but Buffalo needs playoffs and they have so many prospects that need top line minutes to thrive. Does this trade make difference to them getting playoffs who knows but the roster looks solid and he can kill penalties and play good 0-0 hockey. If they make playoffs nobody cares. But yes they should have gotten little bit more because Edmonton was forced to sell basically
Happy to see flyby McLeod go. He is a soft ankle biter.
I liked McLeod, I'm kinda sad to see him go honestly
This was salary that the Oilers needed to get rid of. This is a checking center. They are easier to find than talented scorers. Savoie was one of many talented prospects on a Buffalo team that struggled to score. So weird.
Savoie is not NHL proven and has injury issues plus he is small.
Savoie is Kailer Yamamoto, won't have much of an impact as a pro and will get phased out because of his size Plus like others said, Savoie got passed by alot of Sabres prospects, je was never going to be top 6 in Buffalo
Package this small guy with nurse and trade for an actual elite defenseman
Would you sell low on mutual funds.... fuq no so why would you sell low on nurse and savoie. Make less than zero sense. Nurse knows he has to have a better season. Let him improve his trade value same a savoie.
@WinterWoolies Need a portion of Nurse's salary to pay Draisaitl, Mcdavid and Bouchard contracts. Nobody in the NHL wants Nurse for 9.25 million per season. The only way you get rid of Nurse's ugly contract is if you put a sweetener with it. A small guy like Savoie who already is injury prone in juniors is a bad risk. Savoie will probably have no chance in the NHL. Savoie is a 5 foot 9 player that most likely be pushed around. Oilers are already taking a chance on 2 small guys now with Skinner and Arvidsson. Arvidsson only played 18 games last year, probably going to be injured again this year. Oilers need big skilled.players if they want to return to SFC again
@@davehorsemanSmaller guys have been showing they can perform in playoffs so size is not everything. Also you need lot more sweeteners for Nurse somebody even considering it.
@juuhan4892 small players have not been on the playoff winning teams. Stanley cup winning teams in the last 5 years have had no players smaller than 6 foot tall. The smaller players can't last thru 4 rounds of intensified hitting hockey. Oilers need big elite players if they want to win it all
@@davehorseman Alright so Marchessault maybe 5,9 (unlikely) Point 5,10 Lehkonen and Kucherov are not tall players just to name a few. Sure size help but that argument is rubbish
I feel this trade has the potential to be a win win. Buffalo losses a highly talented prospect for help now. But Savoie was jumped by multiple prospects in the sabres pipeline that doesn't include his injury concerns as well. The sabres shore up a position of need with a young cost effective player as well. I also don't think they need McLeod to contribute a ton offensively either.
I'm honestly curious if Matt Savoie can make the opening night roster for Edmonton. It may be a little early just yet, but if he can perform better in training camp than guys like Connor Brown or Mattias Janmark, he can possibly crack the roster for the Oilers
Savoie’ll get the opportunity to take a spot. It’s all up to him. I’d prefer he gets some reps in Bakersfield then bring him up mid season. There’s no pressure for him to make the team. If he cracks opening night, it’s great for him. If not, it’s valuable development time that’s still beneficial for him and the team.
Tin foil hat: Savoie asked for a trade. That’s the only explanation I can think of.
Both players were expendable. Buffalo has a lot of smaller skilled prospects. They needed a #3 center. They overpaid, but the logic behind it makes sense.
Buffalo wants to push to make the playoffs this year, and having another top 9 contributor NOW instead of a year or so later is something they need for that. They have enough good prospects that they don't mind getting rid of a future second-liner. Simple as that.
Still horrible asset management. I would want at least an extra 2nd rounder on top of getting McLeod, but I wouldn't have given up on savoie to begin with.
@@chrischris3099 I don't think anyone would have given that then. A few days after the trade, I saw it mentioned that Savoie wasn't valued very highly by other GMs. Don't remember where I saw it though, it might have been a link to an SN article posted on reddit?
@mahockey3 I don't think very highly of McLeod. At best he's a solid 3rd line centre. Savoie has potential to be a top 6 winger and it's not like he had a down year in the juniors. Helped his team to the memorial cup.
@@chrischris3099, 3rd line center is what we needed, with speed and penalty killing capabilities. We have a good top 6 as well as some good talent in the pipeline.
Mcleod is very good, defensivly put up 30 points playing under 15 mins a night and no pp. If he becomes a little more physical and gets more ice time, I don't think a 50 point two-way center is out of his reach for him. But edmonton made out like bandits still. Savoie should slot into the top 6 in a year or 2 and put up those numbers in his sleep
Yeah but he played a TON on Draisaitl's wing. He'll never get 2nd line time with a guy like Drai again. Enjoy his 10 goals and extremely soft play for 2.1 mil.
I'm an oilers fan and I'm a big mcleod fan, but I think Jeff Jackson made a great trade. It's smart because when McDavid and draisaitl's contracts are up, they have a talented young guy to play with. With Henrique being the 3rd line center there isn't much room for Ryan McLeod outside of the 4th line, so he won't improve much. Best of luck to him in Buffalo.
Plus, Derek Ryan is cheaper and isn't much of a drop off as your #4 center.
While this is an overpayment by the Sabres, I can understand why they made this trade. 1. They got a player who they can insert into the lineup right now and fills in a need of a 3rd line center in McLeod who is an upgrade over Krebs. 2. While Savoie was drafted in the top 10 of the ‘22 Draft, he basically got jumped by other prospects in the system since his draft year by guys like Benson, Levi, and even Kulich. Also when looking at the Sabres roster overall, where do you even put him in the lineup?
Sabres could have had him in the AHL, or trade him for a top 4 dman/ top 6 winger, mcleod is basically a 4th line center, he can't even drive play and like 80% of his points came cause he played as a winger next to draisaitl
sabres have 20m in cap space. if you want a 3c, go buy one at the deadline dont trade for it
@@BeserkerEarl They currently have $13 Million in cap space. But more importantly, they can’t get one via free agency as players are not interested in joining a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in 13 years.
@@michaelkerber3337 He would’ve been in the AHL this upcoming season no matter what. But based on what I’ve seen regarding this matter, Savoie wasn’t even a prospect other GMs had interest in when it came to trade discussions with the Sabres.
@@ABobeck94 says who? i haven't heard that from any insiders and Sabres were the ones that came to Oilers with that offer they didn't even try to lowball Oilers to get mcleod they just offered the overpay right away.
McLeod is just a David kampf tbh
This Sabres offseason so far just reeks of desperation from a GM that was told he has to make playoffs or he's done. Like McLeod but the value deficit for the Sabres is just crazy
Senators.....lol
@@RIS3N1 😂 lol
we have the best prospect pool in hockey and still do..we addressed needs, plain and simple..you want to know desperate?? the Sens getting their ass kicked by Detroit in that DeBrincat deal..thats desperate lol
@@RoamHockey ya it was just like this move by the Sabres. It's great to have "the best" prospect pool but if you then trade them all for mid 3rd liners all you have is a mid 3rd line so that's not good is it. Sens got Ullmark from the ADB trade so was it really bad?
As a Sabres fan, I agree with you. I don’t believe this trade was a logical, rational decision made by the GM. It was probably pressure being put on him by the owner to win, make the playoffs and put fans back in the seats this season-or you’re fired. Lindy Ruff probably also told the Sabres what he would need to win right now, and that included a 3C, but not a prospect. As far as asset management, it’s a horrible trade for Buffalo, but after the draft and the start of FA, we learned that almost no one wants to come to Buffalo. That’s just the reality of the situation, whether Sabres fans want to admit it or not. Even with the additions of McLeod and Ullmark, I believe the that (on paper) the Sabres and Sens dont make the playoffs this year.
I was camping when this happened and came back and saw it. I genuinely cannot understand how buffalo thought this was a good trade.
Such an overreaction. Savoie doesn’t even have a spot on the Sabres roster this season, and next season. McLeod is a serviceable 3C
@@cozscavas a Sabres fan it’s an under reaction lol. We fucked up big time, even if he wasn’t gonna crack the line up this season (he DEFINITELY would be making the team next season), his trade value was through the roof
@@camerona6644 Im also a Sabres fan and am tired of "potential." We need to get into the playoffs this year. Not 2 more years from now. It was a sacrifice, but we need to be in the playoffs this year. GMKA is trading like his job depends on it. because it does.
@@camerona6644Buffalo isn’t going to wait 2 years and needs seasoned players for a push to playoffs . McLeod brings speed and is a center. Exactly what they need . They are deep with prospects, no worries here.
@@camerona6644his trade value was low. Teams wanted all of the other Sabres big name prospects over him
He IS a two timer, and now he can get with Fabbri, cause they traded him too soon too! Those damn St. Bluis Loose.. They've traded everybody away since they been a team!! .. Ah shit! Now Fabbri is someplace else!! Haahahaaa
Tarasenko, Kane, and debrincat. Now that's an insane lineup
Ah. Another person that underestimates Tarasenko's defensive capabilities. I mean, he's not going to be a Selke contender, but he is better than most people give him credit for.
J.T is gonna have a career year this year venturing Terisinkshow, and Showtime!!!!
I’m tired of being excited for this team from FA, idc anymore, I want some fucking results! Playoffs or bust! This team has been garbage for 7 years, it’s time to see some fucking progress!
Great how the Wings make cap space, maybe there`s another goalie around they can sign? Would need another 2 to play the first goalies only line in the NHL!