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They are actually really warm and because they are customized, they tend to allow for more individual toe movement so even the littlest piggy stays warm :)

@ hard to believe when I’ve read and heard otherwise but it’s a tradeoff with comfort and performance in many cases.

The Merino Wool Toe Box really makes a big difference... the key is keeping the foot DRY... hard to do in the East. A good light weight wicking sock will do the heavy lifting but the Merino is really nice. We just did a big demo on customizing them for our staff... They all really liked the overall fit but commented most on the feel of the Merino :)

@ i switched to Merino socks and gave up -30 skiing.

Absolutely agreed... anytime you can improve the connection between your foot and the boot, you improve you ability to respond to the changing conditions of the slope.

David~ Thanks for watching! Our crew does feel the 84 would be a good ski for you. Yes, way lighter than the Brahma for sure and the Arcade has both speed and aggressiveness on its side... It does just fine in the moguls but keep in mind, the radius may make those tighter mogul fields feel more challenging. It's a Thumbs Up for the Carver but All Mt :)

Thanks for the comments! Sounds like you got a TON of skiing in this year!

Glad you got out on them!

All the lasts for the ZipFit are a 96 last and control the volume with the amount of cork... the 96 is a bit of a dubious number because the neoprene stretches to fit every foot.

Second that. My feet are very wide. Gara and Freeride fit the same in the forefoot bc the neoprene stretches. Note that Gara has a little more forward lean. Freeride/workhorse accommodate larger calves as advertised.

@@RK-ig5hy I really like the additional forward lean. It made my boots and me better. Oh, I have a duck foot.

I would suggest it has more to do with the mountain you spend the most time on...the smaller the mountain, shorter the runs the better the 173 will be... and how you enjoy the mountain - if you like to do quicker, slalom turns, you will want to be on the 173. The 173 will provide more control while the 183 will provide more stability.

True, it can be a bit tough to get enough force to step down when you have an uneven or soft surface... the buddy system can help with this :)

Where do you live?

@@Willisskiandsnowboard I live in northern Illinois.

Let me check average shipping times… of course you can always pay for expedited shipping too 😊

It looks like your area falls into the 2-3 day window… UPS doesn’t guarantee that but they have been pretty good lately 👍

@@Willisskiandsnowboard okay that’s perfect, thank you so much!

Yes, we would agree - the maneuverability of the 173 is nice but you may want the stability the 181 would provide

Thanks… we will take a look 👍

Thanks! First off let me say sorry for the delayed response but also let me add that we always suggest working with a qualified boot fitter. With that said modifications can be done after purchase to open up that toe box if necessary. The Shadow is still a low volume boot even though it has a little more space than a typical LV - You for sure need to try these boots on. They can be adjusted after the fact but quite honestly, it is too much money to spend on a guess about the fit.

@@Willisskiandsnowboard Thanks. I actually tried on a pair of Salomon S Pro Alpha 130's yesterday and was quite impressed. I may not buy the Shadows.

Haha! Yup!

Sorry for the delayed response! Shadow 110MV $649 Shadow 120LV $749 Shadow 130LV $849

$850

Where do you ski mostly? East Coast, West Coast or Rockies?

@@Willisskiandsnowboard haha. Australia actually, more like your east coast but not as cold. I want the Forzas for icy groomers particularly in the early morning.

Yes, it sounds like the 173 would be good for you… especially based on what I’m guessing is High Water Content snow for most of the season 👍

Agreed! It will be a great ski for lots of people trying to get that feeling of being on their edges.

James~ The Forza 70 comes from the factory with a one degree bevel on both the base and sides... Our Montana machines take it up a notch though and will do a Radial Base Bevel, which works out to .5 degree under foot and progressively goes to .8 degree in the tip and tail :)

@@Willisskiandsnowboard We need you in Breckenrige CO.

That should be a 313mm

@@Willisskiandsnowboard thanks!

@@Willisskiandsnowboard this leads me to believe this boot doesn’t have the extended toe box like the RX, which is 316 bsl @ 27.5. Any idea on that? Thanks again

This boot has a completely different internal last - because of that the bsl is indeed different...to me, it actually feels more roomy.

@@Willisskiandsnowboard thanks again for your time

Really great on the front-side, isn't it?

How would you compare the 173 to the 181?

Glad you liked it

Hope you enjoy it! Get back to us with your take on it when you do!