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I don't hate the way new ig is going but if a choice is given i rather have the rising spiral thingy after a tornado slash or after another combo instead of it behind a charged attack. I will still play IG when the game is out but i feel that i will slowly shift from it behind my main weapon to those that i bring it out once in a while

...You're joking, is that seriously what people were complaining about with the IG charge attacks!?

It's a good weapon. The people complaining just aren't used to being chin checked by monster hunter changing up how their weapon world because they're newcomers from World and Rise. MH changing how a weapon works is normal, and now that it's their turn theyre whining like the new bloods they are. Just leave them to their whining, if they don't like it they can just not play insect glaive and learn a new weapon. I'm not discussing anyone's personal viewpoint on it. I have played every monster hunter game, ever. Even the ones never released stateside. What I say is just objective fact about the monster hunter franchise. They change weapons every iteration to best suit the game it's in, and if they can't handle their weapon being changed then this game series may not be for them.

I'm CB main but LS in widls is so fun

Goddamm they made this unnecessary tedious, Im stick with SS this time as my main

Honestly I think the changes could be good, but destroying both the aerial and charge-up archetypes from the game just feels wrong. If they added an aerial replacement like the umbrella from wild hearts and kept the sunbreak longsword, I wouldn't mind as much.

Insect glaive? No that's not in Wil- Oh you mean Charge Blade on a Stick. Yea, I guess I'll watch a video on it... Pre watch comments: IG feels like old CB SAED playstyle from an old CB main. Charge weapon, big hit, lose charge, charge weapon, repeat. I'm curious to see if you address this dumbed down game loop. And with the new focus mode melees also gathering extracts, I feel less connected to the bug than ever. Not even counting the bad aim, which will surely be fixed before release. I really feels this should be a new weapon, individual buffs don't matter for this iteration anyway, so just make them like essence of power, essence of vitality and essence of agility and give us a Sage Staff weapon or something. Maybe keep jumps but change them so they feel different than IG. But this is whole new weapon territory. This reminds me of the debates when Rise came out to make 2 separate HH similar to bowgun with HHH and LHH. They're two very similar weapons with similar buttons that feel completely different. I'll add post watch comments in the comment section if anything feels relevant or I feel like you ended up making good counterpoints to anything here.

thank goodness. so nice to hear opinions from people who played glaive before the days of helicopter helicopter

Most my issues are with the controls. They switched midair comands. Descending thrust was just a trigger pull before, putting it on a charge attack limits adaptability. Also, the "hold and roll" technique for charged attacks and the marking dart (RT+RB) feels off and is easy to lose track of in combat. Marks/powders are rarely used because you're incentivized loop the new special. And collecting buffs to expend for damage is the LS similarity, not the moveset

Personally, I still dont like it. I love the bug parts of the Insect Glaive. I get the buffs, sick the bug on either the head if blunt bug or the tail if cut bug and then try to mount the monster as much as possible while popping dusts as much as possible. I dont want to fixate on getting the buffs over and over because I expend them with a power move, I want consistent damage that also frequently mounts the monster. I dont even care about losing the bounce. IG is THE mounting weapon, not the aerial weapon. Unless the charge move does mounting damage, if that is the case, I will keep maining the Cockroach Toothpick! If it doesnt do mounting damage, I think that I am going to either go back to lance, learn the Charge Blade, or join the cave men at club bonk with the hammer and horn depending on how badly they butcher those weapons.

They changed the gameplay loop to literally just spamming the new rising attack and rinse and repeat. It’s super linear and with them neutering the aerial capabilities of the weapon, they’ve also removed more options so you’re essentially forced into that linear loop. Not to mention the charging mechanic is clunky and makes no sense with the controls

nope. sorry. its just an entirely different weapon. its not about hard to play its just a different weapon now

9:52 There is an option to have focus mode be a toggle and not only while held. I think LBG/HBG both use the focus button to aim, so changing the focus button could get messy. As I have been learning about IG and kinsects, my thought is that there should be a kinsect that gathers what you glaive strike and here it is. IMO, kinsect should attack the parts you hit regardless of focus mode. 12:54 I am not sure, but I think how wounds work is to give bonus damage to attacks until they "pop." However, if you use an ability that instantly breaks them, they do all the bonus damage instantly. I am pretty sure I have seen video of Bow's focus strike do the same kind of numbers.

I’m definitely not a main of glaive in anyway, but I would say that it is my second favorite weapon. I played rise but found world to be way more up my alley and so I have the most experience in world. My “solution” to the IG problem is three fold. But first, I think it goes without saying that the control scheme desperately needs changed, so I’m not gonna count that here. My first solution would be one that I’ve seen some people say on here, that is: 1. Make focus aiming and kinsect aiming the same button (and preferably on the focus button). It is what I am used to in world and that just makes sense to me. Also if I want to use other weapons I don’t need to change my control scheme to fit the weapon (which is an insane cope). My second solution is: 2. Re-add bounce. I have seen that people say that it doesn’t matter that it isn’t a part of the weapon or because it wasn’t optimal. To me that doesn’t matter. What is the downside of having bounce in the game? If it is less optimal, don’t use it…? I simply don’t understand this one. To me, it adds a nice utility to a weapon that seemingly has very few. It’s also fun. But again, I don’t see the downside to it being in the game, only people justifying that it doesn’t matter that it was removed. My third solution is: 3. Re-add red giving the move-set buff. I’ve heard some people say that it is in the game but I can’t test that now. Either way, I think the real loop of the new IG should be, get all (or at least red) extracts. Use them until they almost expire. Then use charge into rising as a way to consume them for big damage. This may give all or some of extracts back and continue the loop. To me, these changes would go a long way to appease both sides of the argument. All I wanted from Wilds was to take World and make it better. Most weapons feel this way, but IG doesn’t. These changes would allow for both play-styles to exist simultaneously and without affecting each other. Thoughts?

This is a clear example of people getting made at change. The bounce was kool but it’s a play style. Not the whole weapon. So this uproar to be honest seems silly over a beta. Especially in a game that is known to sometimes add new moves as you progress. I think there are some truly valid complaints such as controller map scheme, and the belief that Play style has been eliminated. But the game literally isn’t out yet. We don’t know anything. An adding technical aspects to a weapon is interesting. Compared to the original simple play loop. It would be fantastic people would be more open-minded and wait-and-see, but I don’t think that’s going to be the case. Example being all of the “I guess. I’ll skip out on wilds” messages littering TH-cam.

great video! one thing I like to add also for the people who like mounting with IG. Every hit of the helicopter spin does mount build up now. In world only the last hit did mount build up, you would need to do the descending slash to build up mounts fast. This means mounting will be even easier and faster with the new helicopter rework.

Im a long time IG main and a keyboard and mouse user, loved it. Might be worth using keyboard and mouse on ps5

Nah doing finger gymnastics in the controller in order to pull off a charge is a bad design. They need to work out a better control scheme for IG

This is a very good video with some super strong points and arguments and even physical evidence that there is no need for dumb finger shenanigans. Sadly the people that have already made up their mind will not listen to what u are saying they will just rant more about the weapon in the comments. Don't get distracted by that to much. Very good video dude

So basiclly LS is way better and no good reason to choose IG..got it..

The weapon itself is not bad, the controls are awful and charging the descending thrust sucks!

I don't know what it is, but Wilds just really doesn't hit as hard as World... I really thought it was gonna just be a semi-open-world MHW, but even just looking at the character standing there with the backdrop and everything doesn't get me excited at all. When I see any footage of MHW, I get the urge to jump back in and play. There is something very distinct about World style and I just can't put my finger on what is missing in Wilds

wish they made a spear or lance, renamed lance and gun lance to shield lance and shield and gun lance. I loved glaive in the beta. felt better than rise. I'm glad you showed me desencding still exists. what do you guys feel about gravity in this vs rise and world. world has way more delay on gravity. rise has to much air movement imo. wilds seems like a good mid ground. I miss more hitstop from world though. I don't see insect powder vortex? am I blind?

See my issue is that its not the same weapon anymore is just a carbon copy of longsword, build buff unleash special move rince and repeat its not the insect glaive anymore its somthing completely different

I played insect glaive on mh4U, mhgenerationsU, mhw:I and mhr:S, what a don't like much about glaive in the wilds, is the dependence of using the insect on combos, it whas some kind of insect that do this in rise, and i don't like them, i like to constantly hit the monster on ground, only vault for spawn mount or spawn elemental damage on Alatreon, and the insect, a like to control it, use him, not him doing shit for me, and i aways think it was nice to mark the monster and your insect just go crazy stalking him like a hungry mosquito, its the only time a whant the insect do something for me, and he fails on that in wilds, and the rise version of the "combo bug" whas lame equal, not doing mosquito busines that i like... In mh4U whas a thing that no other mh have with IG, you could make a build just for the insect, Bilbobrix (skull insect) he had a skill "penetration", a good damage, speed and stamina, (and you had to leveling the bug, giving the right types of nectar to get this almost secret insect) and whas possible to comand him to attack, with the right build, your bilbobrix is a lv 99 bug pokemon that kill monsters for you, literally, just search some videos about this, the thing just flying spinning giving tons of damage without returning to your arm, he just do this until hes imense stamina ends. But it whas nerfed and never talked again, about the insane penetrator bilbobrix that play the game for you.

Thank you my dear, I was becoming crazy trying to explain this and everyone keeps "but I can't fly now *cry cry cry*".

Use cloud step while he is underground. Use needle when in 2nd phase.

I love having a passive charge attack option, it's a niche that MH has never really filled that is very popular in other types of action games, and helps to give IG more identity when weapons are getting homogenized at an unprecedented rate with universal Perfect Blocks mid combo and more counters. I do think that there is some overlap in the way the weapon is designed that should be addressed, first off I'd say that focus mode and kinsect aiming mode should just become one thing. Unfortunately it's hard to make that happen when we have to accomodate for the focus attacks on the R1 button, but ideally I'd have you still able to perform attacks AND send out and call back the kinsect in just focus mode alone, maybe by using R2 as a binary send out/call back depending on where the kinsect is. This would grant you less control over your bug, but I don't think the use cases of having the kinsect out and issuing multiple target commands is all that fundamental to the weapon and could be a reasonable cut. This would free you up for using the R2 button not as your kinsect aiming mode, but as your charge attack button, with the caveat of it only being usable outside of Focus mode, giving you a reason to alternate between having it on and off. Your thumb would still be free to use the camera or the rest of IG's combos, and would still keep the depth of stategically building up charge by having to be outside focus mode, sacrificing your kinsect attacking with you during combos. This is inspired by the control scheme I've always used in the Devil May Cry games to charge Nero's gun while still keeping myself able to perform combos optimally, and if there's one thing MH really needs to learn from them it's to implement button remapping per-weapon already.

I am personally a hammer main and found my new secondary weapon in the beta after loving the new bow. That said, I love playing *with* IG's and I've been sad to see them unhappy with the changes. Thankfully my partner clicked with the changes to Wilds IG, so at least she's happy. I agree with LegendaryMeow that the new ult is so cool and super flashy. Hoping the upset IG mains wind up loving it after launch. ❤

Immagine getting over a thousand hours on rise lance, never poking and only new charge sweeping and finding out they removed the new charged sweep in wilds, charged moves are temporary 😭

WTF is with these super long ass essay replies lmao it's like a new engagement generating bot that spews ai generated essays as comments.

claw grip, it aint that fuckin bad

It felt awkward at first, then I learned the combos and it was so satisfying. The Rey Dau hunt was amazing. I think this is one of the best iterations of IG since its inception in 4U.

I think I’m DEFINITELY gonna misclick a shit ton of buttons, but I think once I get used to the new controls I think I’ll be fine

I Also greatly enjoyed the Insect Glaive weapon-feel in Wilds. When I heard people complaining about it I was incredibly confused. It was nice to hear a more thoughtful take on the matter. As for what I'm worried about with the Glaive in Wilds, it's that it's one of the few weapons that benefits MORE from bursting a monster's wounds with the Focus+R1 attack. In descussions about bursting wounds, IG and Chargeblade benefit the most with Longsword also receiving a benefit beyond just damage (Damage being the baseline all the other weapons are at), so I've heard talk of a sort of "Wound Etiquette" where those weapons have a sort of higher priority. Basically it may become a polite practice to wait before popping wounds as soon as they appear, especially to allow IG or CB users to benefit if they need it for their buffs... (And ranged weapons can burst wounds VERY easily compared to other weapons. (Bows ESPECIALLY can blow up wounds as soon as they appear without any effort) This Etiquette system is likely going to go double for them)... Less a worry about Glaive specifically and more about a social thing in multiplayer that it's involved with.

I started with World & I've had a tremendous amout of fun with Spam Aerial Glaive BUT the moment I played Wilds Insect Glaive I thought "I can be like Darth Maul from the Phantom Menace !". And the Kinsect FINALLY being a part of the moveset is effin dope ! Yes, I have teeny tiny hands so I had to pull off the nastiest Claw to move the camera, attack & charge xD. But I adore it, I feel like yeah, pretty much every weapon feel like "if you're not using Focus Mode, wtf are you doing ?" but it's actually really fun !

Only reason why I adapted the IG in mhwib is cause I needed to have the aerial edge over monsters like the kushala daora, and be able to gracefully out maneuver the black diablos and glavenus heck it was my key to inflicting a lot of elemental damage on alatreon. With this one I might have to move the IG from my secondary to quaternary weapon

IG is still the most fun to play weapon. Capcom just needs to fix the control layout. Thankfully I use a pro controller. Also would be great if there was mobility after aerial focus attacks. Hopefully they clean that up before the official release.

the aerial focus strike is really cool and useful, after doing the crazy buildup and combo for rising spiral slash its very common to have a wound so you can grab it from the air to immediately get all extracts back if the bug didnt grab them (and youre doing insane damage, i suspect thats getting nerfed if its not straight up a bug), but even if you dont the sick backflip is really good for evasion (you can pair this with jumps or aerial attacks first for even more distance covered). imo that quick use of aerials to gap close or get out of big attacks and be aggressive on wounds is more reasonable and engaging than the infinite helicopters. also i really love turning the camera backwards when doing the focus strike so i backflip towards the monster, its like reverse backstepping in elden ring and looks so cool

Ya know, at this point, I'm tired of standing on my soapbox of how this weapon has changed, and not in a good way! Some people love it, and it is what it is, I guess! 😒 A lot of people argue that "it's about the insect" or "it needs to be more grounded", or whatever copium induced.... sorry.... like I said, some people love it, and it is what it is! Personally though, I'd prefer helicoptering around with my kinsect and playing areal glaive, than having to spend all my essences on one move that I'm encouraged to spam over and over! And as I've been saying, why is the IG the ONLY weapon that's had to downgrade, compared to the other weapons? I don't know, I think they should've given us the option to play in this style or not, instead of completely springing this reworked weapon on us, and saying, "DEAL WITH IT!" Here's my thing with the IG in Wilds! The bad control scheme, the way the moves no longer chain together into a dance/ flow like it used to (no double poke), AND yes, the lack of bounce ! The bounce was just plain fun! DPS be dammed! No TRUE glaive user was depending on the bounce for dps anyway! It was for evasion, repositioning, and was just plain fun to do! I mean, honestly, who doesn't love flying through the air? Besides, it would be stupid to spam areal for EVERY monster! Some were better to fight with ground combos, other with more areal! And honestly, only a bad IG player would just spam areal over and over anyway! Additionally, the ground combos were more fluid and graceful before! There was a dance/ flow to the ground combos that you could do, that's missing now! The way it is now, even with all 3 buffs..... that you STILL aren't guaranteed to get EVERY time, unless the monster stands still and lets you, the moves/ movement feels slow and clunky and just different! And on top of that, having to sacrifice one of your attack buttons, in order to charge a move that you're encouraged to spam (I mean, why else would it consume your buffs, but then refill most of them.... if you're lucky), just doesn't feel right! Essentially, BOTH the ground fluidity and the areal bounce have been removed, and for no good reason! It feels like the IG has been punished, ESPECIALLY compared to what the other weapons gained, in addition to keeping most, if not ALL of their previous move set! And yes, I can hold circle while using triangle, but again, there goes my circle attack! If, maybe they found a way to rework the charge mechanic so that you'd be able to charge your glaive easier/ while attacking, and make it so that it blended out of AND into the ground combo better, instead of feeling like it's its own thing that you have to stop and use, then MAYBE I'd feel better about it! And I'm sorry, you SHOULD NOT have to re map your buttons or have a special controller, or reconfigure your settings for just ONE weapon! Like I said, if you like it, I love it, and no, the weapon isn't HORRIBLE now, I'm just not feeling this new glaive, compared to how much I loved it before!

@thelegendarymeow im also an ig main 😎

I personally think the charge should be mapped to R1. Pressing R1 L2 does ur standard focus strike, pressing L2 after the charge just does focus strike 2. It would feel like ur focus strike upgrades like ur normal combos do from getting all extracts.

I’m just gonna armored core it. We playing with the controller backwards babyyyyyyyy

Everything in this video is true, I also felt that I had more options for damage at a time, the more time I had with the new glaive the more I liked it, besides it was kinda ridiculous how I had so many vectors of avoiding monster attacks 😅 it felt like IG was playing a VERY different game than every other weapon in positioning 😅.

eh, I'm over it. Didn't like the changes, made a fuss at first, but my other weapons did get tons of fun stuffs to play around with, and you can always count on capcom to needlessly buff the longsword so the pocket LS is also an option too. Speaking of the LS, the way I feel about wilds IG is basically like this, imagine they took out the entirety of the spirit gauge, foresight slash and iai moves from the LS moveset and made it play like Nioh odachis, or if they took out the charge from GS and made it play like... idk, exclusively like the alt moveset it had in rise. You wouldn't fault the people that used only those weapons if they were upset with it, even when these moves weren't originally part of the movesets, right? Even if it did subpar damage, having the option to take to the air and fight monsters like Rathalos in THEIR turf was, in my opinion, a part of the weapon's identity, made it unique from every other melee weapon. But, it's not like I'll be playing it in wilds anyways, and if others like it, that's great. It just doesn't feel like the weapon I fell in love with anymore so 'I'm moving to greener pastures'

The bug didn't deal that damage. What it did was it broke a wound on the monster, and *that* dealt the damage. However, you might be right about the percent-damage aspect. Focus Mode and Wounds are the new central mechanic in this game's combat, and I think it would make a lot of sense to make them do a small bit of percent damage, to reward players who understand how they work, just like how Rise rewarded players who knew how to properly ration their wirebugs. It was a lot harder to open and close wounds than I thought it would be, so it's not even that broken.

IG is also the only weapon without an offset, clash, or perfect [insert parry mechanic] in its kit, so i worry what happens if monsters are tuned around weapons having that.

About Triple Up: Aiming Charged Kinsect absolutely sucks on controller. This is one of the bigger problems in general with the weapon in wilds, the controls suck. Wounds will probably be solo player only (which is fine for me as pure solo player, but not everyone) You will never ever use focus mode to get the extracts. Why? Because, as you said, the basic move set fucking sucks and it takes forever for the moves + kinsect to return with the extract. It is also much harder to get the kinsect to hit where you want it to, because it doesnt fly in a straight line. Both things together ensures that collecting extract this way takes just way to long, when your goal is to get the normal moveset asap. So, realistically, you will use charged kinsect always to get extracts (or wound if solo). This is fine, because charging the kinsect is easy and fast, but i dont get the idea behind locking the normal moveset behind triple. You wanted triple anyway, because it arbitrarily buffed your dmg by alot, and it gives access to RSS, so why enforce it further by locking the playable moveset behind it and thus locking out your shiny new method of collecting extracts? About Focus Mode & Kinsect: In my opinion there is even more wrong with focus mode for IG. If you charge circle the kinsect comes back, but that is also true for neutral circle. I.e. the bread and butter 4U infinite combo will always recall your kinsect, which is annoying if you want to generate dusts. I.e. you cannot use (or rather it is super cumbersome) to use focus mode if you want to use your kinsect for dusts. What is their goal with the dust mechanic? Because the kinsect will not create dusts if it is assisting. The kinsect will also not assist if it is creating dust. So you are either choosing to go dust or assist route, and which is "better" is based on the dmg numbers later (or kinsect abilities?)? And the route you take also determines if you are 100% focus mode or 0% focus mode? That the kinsect mechanics are so tightly bound to focus mode just sucks. Moveset: We got a new move, the sidestep slash (triangle 1 + move). Maybe they forgot to add strong sidestep slash, but that thing is the same with triple up and without, making it SUPER slow and only hit once. It feels super bad to use, especially since this replaces the old stab move (because that was forward triangle, which is a directional triangle input), which was WAY faster and did more dmg and was an important move. The charge move is probably fine (again, controls sucks even with your technique (i did it in the same way)), but the charge mechanic feels worse for descending slash in my opinion, just because you have less time to charge. About Aerial: idgaf, never liked it, never spammed it. About RSS: Move still feels weird how you hang in the air after it and cant really do anything (again because your actual moveset is locked behind triple up) aside from popping a wound. As you said, fast kinsect might save this, but it might also not. Makes the move feel very disconnected from the moveset. About Longsword: Red Gauge longsword definetly plays like old ground IG. Long reach, fast attacks (red gauge gives you a new moveset, which makes it feel more like IG), super mobile, no charges. Add to that the general longsword shenanigans, which make it more powerful than IG ever was, and yeah, if you want old IG without charges, i recommed longsword 100%.

Not a Ig main but great video. My personal issue with the IG is the controls, and the fact that it heavily relies on breaking wounds. like if I'm hunting with a bow or DB user, they're not going to care, they're gunna get their cool fun stuff going faster.

This is a certified Insect Glaive classic 🗿