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WARCRY: Ranking ALL Warhammer Underworlds Warbands
Join Toast and I where today we rank all 56 Warhammer Underworlds Bladeborn Warbands in Warcry and break them down in terms of being build arounds, interesting tech or something that would just be nice to have.
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00:00 Introduction to Blade Born Warbands
00:59 Ranking System Explained
03:15 Blackpowder's Buccaneers
05:04 Brethren of the Bolt
06:23 Crimson Court
07:49 Cyrenai's Razors
09:14 Da Kunnin Krew & Daggok's Stab Lads
11:18 Domitan's Stormcoven
12:53 Dread Pageant
14:09 Elthain's Soulraid
15:42 Ephelim's Pandemonium
17:29 Exiled Dead
19:05 Eyes of the Nine
20:34 Garrick's Reavers
21:18 Gnarlspirit Pack
23:32 Godsworn Hunt
26:04 Gorechosen Of Dromm
28:04 Grashrak's Despoilers
29:41 Grinkrakks Looncourt
31:47 Grymwatch
32:07 Grysaell's Arenai
34:22 Headkrakka's Madmob
36:23 Headsman's Curse
38:12 Hrothgorn's Mantrappers
39:39 Ironskull's Boys
40:35 Kainan's Reavers
41:47 Khagra's Ravagers
43:25 Magore's Fiends
44:45 Mollog's Mob
45:29 Morgok's Krushas
46:55 Morgwaeth's Blade Coven
48:30 Mayari's Purifiers
49:25 Rippa's Snarlfangs
50:20 Sepulchral Guard
51:29 Skabbik's Plagueseekers
54:05 Skaeth's Wild Hunt
55:55 The Skinnerkin
56:52 Skittershank's Clawpack
59:25 Sons of Velmorn
01:01:12 Spiteclaw's Swarm
01:03:27 Steelheart's Champions
01:03:56 Stormsire's Cursebreakers
01:05:26 The Chosen Axes
01:06:18 The Farstriders
01:06:45 The Shadeborn
01:08:58 The Starblood Stalkers
01:10:05 The Wurmspat
01:10:46 Thorns of the Briar Queen
01:13:24 The Thricefold Discord
01:15:09 Thundrick's Profiteers
01:16:27 Xandire's Truthseekers
01:17:51 Yilthari's Guardians
01:18:29 Zarbag's Gits
01:19:48 Zondara's Gravebreakers
01:21:40 Hexbane's Hunters
01:24:24 Final Thoughts and Rankings
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  • @leanderhoste7882
    @leanderhoste7882 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hello again my favourite Warcry duo! 🎉 In the video you mention integrating Prince Duvalle into the Askurgan Trueblades... How would that work best? 2x charnel maces and filling up with throat takers? Or would an Curseblood spice things up more? 🧐

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'd always go charnel maces and throat takers in Trueblades anyway :)

  • @Xelcir
    @Xelcir วันที่ผ่านมา

    My big comments from my experience: - Snorbo da Spore is just a Mushroom musician. So proxying him is super easy. The best alternative is a Squig herder with mushroom bagpipes. - Also Grinkrak, Grib, Burk, & Naggz are always worth it if you'd be taking any of their standard counterparts & you can spare 5 points because you're getting the Seraphon reaction from those extra points. - Sepulchre Guard are 100% going to be a disappointment when you realize they're not only more expensive but not rezzable.

  • @nicklaslundstrom7924
    @nicklaslundstrom7924 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks a lot! have collected LOTS of Underworlds to use in Warcry (and because they are often the best models). Now I know which to build and paint first!

  • @jacawandersmok9043
    @jacawandersmok9043 วันที่ผ่านมา

    intresing; I personaly sad bacose thay get rid of them form selae; but the models look amaizng ... even for just paainting..

  • @Vaellas
    @Vaellas 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The dynamic duo strike again. Thanks for this. It is really nice to see all the Underworld warbands revaluated after their changes and as someone that has quite a few of them it's nice to hear other opinions on them.

  • @Ketiseb
    @Ketiseb 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for your output, would you say the tierlist stays the same if you apply it with a caveat of "take the whole team into another faction"?

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ooh good question. I think it would be very different, actually. A lot of those fighters who are interesting tech pieces become somewhat of a points sink if you take the rest of their warband. Buildarounds of course can go in any warband as they are the things you want to bring almost in their entirety, and there are some warbands like the Thricefold and arguably the Brute warband which still hold up when you take all of them

    • @Ketiseb
      @Ketiseb 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@OffMetaMusings oh just two? Thats quite sad.

  • @RogueKloral
    @RogueKloral 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome video! Thanks for the upload. What's your thoughts on the new Warhammer Heroes Stormcast warband?

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings วันที่ผ่านมา

      Toast did a video on them a while back but enough people are asking that it looks like I should to XD I haven't looked at them for a while but there are a couple of good effects in there iirc/

  • @Chrysaries
    @Chrysaries 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    New to the game but I just had a blast playing The Exiled Dead over Vampire Lord + chaff. The "chain lightning" ability adds a much needed additional layer of strategy, imo. This video made me want to try Zondara next! Maybe Brethren of the Bolt if it wasn't tied to a box of stuff I don't want

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @SocialistKitty
    @SocialistKitty 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What you are suggesting is the reason people hate gw. People need to know their investment shouldn't be going anywhere. Legends is a crappy idea as majority of people who play gw are super competitive

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Genuinely interested here, but how much of a notice do you feel is appropriate to move Minis out of circulation in rules? Or should GW just always support everything?

  • @SocialistKitty
    @SocialistKitty 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Warctier didn't have zikits tunnelpack where can i find them

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Their rules haven't been released yet. A general rule of thumb is go by is WHU teams are likely to have their rules released in white dwarf at the end of the WHU season

  • @konstantin7415
    @konstantin7415 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I will appreciate if you or Rob answer. What’s the question: For example, enemy attacks my steelhelm. He has in 3’range both fusilier and another steelhelm. So I have 2 ally: one with bulwark runemark and one with elite. Do I get both effects? +1T and 2damage on miss? Or I have to choose one effect in this situation?

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes the effect stacks. A fighter within 3" of a friendly fighter with bulwark and also a friendly fighter with the elite runemark still fills the condition in the reaction of "A fighter can make this reaction after they are targeted by an attack action but before the hit rolls are made if they are within 3" of another friendly fighter with the Bulwark () and/or Elite () runemark." So the combined effect would be to give +1T and reflect 2 damage. In the case of the Ogre who has both runemarks already, you will also apply both effects.

    • @konstantin7415
      @konstantin7415 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ thank you, I thought the same and how I played today with friend :)

  • @spiegel487
    @spiegel487 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My idea! YES!

    • @spiegel487
      @spiegel487 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you so much for this guys. Became a member to watch this even before I knew it was based on my comment.

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hah! your'e welcome :)

  • @MD-gy4dr
    @MD-gy4dr 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the vid! Love my bladeborn teams. How would you build around Khagra's team for fun and profit?

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Good question! Normally I'd go for only Khagra and Zarshia but the full team is 570 AND you are in StD so you still can run marauders if you want to. I'd still want something punchy in there like a thorakon if you want to keep it all inhouse so maybe something like; ``` ---------- Warband Roster 985pts | 7 fighters - Thorakon with Goroan Great Axe (275pts, Hero) - Khagra the Usurper (195pts, Hero) - Zarshia Bittersoul (135pts) - Dour Cragan (125pts) - Razek Godblessed (115pts) - Chaos Marauder with Barbarian Flail (70pts) - Chaos Marauder with Barbarian Flail (70pts) ---------- Generated on Warcrier.net ```

    • @MD-gy4dr
      @MD-gy4dr 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Love it, thank you!​@@OffMetaMusings

  • @Tombonzo
    @Tombonzo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is especially helpful to new players! But helpful to all as well, thanks!

  • @MD-gy4dr
    @MD-gy4dr 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! Spear marauders or vanilla in your view (or both?)?

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can play either but I'd be tempted to go with spear thanks to the extra range synergising with the warqueen's extra move; Giving it a 6" threat range instead of 5" and keeping marauders out of receiving damage more often to keep that 10W up.

  • @GroteskerBastard
    @GroteskerBastard 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Humble video request: Do a tierlist of all warcry chaff! Then a titan tierlist! Then a cavalry tierlist! And then a tierlist of your tierlists! Seriously though, I do like me some tierlists :D

  • @Coolduff.
    @Coolduff. 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Shadestalker is an order net you can ally as well.

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes! that's totally an option too

  • @optimalgamestate
    @optimalgamestate 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's really nice to see that timeline with all the updates. It really shows how well supported Warcry is when you look beyond just the physical releases.

  • @PedroBaele
    @PedroBaele 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Was looking for the Divine Blessings rules and these are printed in WD 490 and not 470 ... Been taking copies of these extra rules in my WD, and was missing these. Tx for metioning the Divine Blessings rules

  • @Ar2r
    @Ar2r 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That's why I think instead of new edition, I would rather have new rulebook with updated rules and full compendium.

    • @jonhythelast
      @jonhythelast 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yup, wish they’d just done one annual tome of champions instead of warband tomes thought. It led to way less rules being scattered across multiple different small books and WD articles.

  • @spiegel487
    @spiegel487 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am flat out determined to make Fyreslayers not bad. Haven't figured it out yet but there HAS to be something there with 65 point T5 chaff.

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's not that they are VERY bad, rather they don't really do anything that other warbands already do better; the M3 T5 chaff niche is way better served by OBR for example

  • @spiegel487
    @spiegel487 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Update video for darkoath and ironjawz?

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes it will be coming soon :)

  • @nicklaslundstrom7924
    @nicklaslundstrom7924 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice run through! Hard disagree on the Horns of Hashut though. We need more, not less bespokes in the top and a lot of them need help to be competative, nerfing them is the wrong way to go. And I still belive most warbands should have something that is a bit undercosted/overeffective, to give them a distinct character. That the horns had good/cheap slaves was excellent since they are the slave factions. The flame hurler nerf was alright too - it can be downright devastating and hard to counter if there are several.

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      At this point in the game, I personally don't think that there should be any real favouritism on GWs part when it comes down to game balance. There are something like 67 factions at the moment so when you've got a pre-nerf faction like old Horns of Hashut regularly hitting 55%+ win rates they are due for some toning down. Not to say that they are bad now, it's just that they can't put as large warbands on the table as they used to.

    • @nicklaslundstrom7924
      @nicklaslundstrom7924 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      My point is that the developers need to be aware of that every nerf hits a bespoke warband much harder than a compendium one. They simply have much fever options in their rosters and nothing to swap with - it might even be impossible to get the points to work out. I think Salty Sea video about how Warcry needs “power creep” was really interesting. To keep interest in the Warcry-brand and releases we need the bespokes to be competitive and interesting, and to actually sell from a company perspective. Now I am not in the camp that believes that all bespokes suck but it would be good if more of them actually functioned well on the battle field and had o shot at tournaments. Regarding Horns I think the nerf to the hurlers was enough and could even have been 5 pts more. But keeping another bespoke at the top tiers in competitive would have been good for the game. Of course, the big issue is that the latest four bespokes have been very bad and that a lot of thee old ones need help too. Heres hoping for a VERY unlikely balance patch focused on points drops and ability rewrites to boost all bespokes to at least 40% winrate, and above all make more people actually field them at torneys.

  • @miguelcamaragallego1140
    @miguelcamaragallego1140 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just discovered your channel because I found a new passion for Spearhead, Kill Team and Warcry. What a treasure trove! Thank you

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You are very welcome :)

  • @spiegel487
    @spiegel487 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Totally agree on Ratogors. Ya they are great but if you can damage them and/or kill their packmaster is severely mitigates a lot of their power. Range 2 smashy guys with decent life can at least force a bad points trade. My Big Stikkas have been working in that regard.

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think all thats really needed is a slight bump to Packmasters to make them 75 (so that they can't be resurrected with the battle trait) but no doubt we will see in a few months time

  • @Xelcir
    @Xelcir 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite weird Shroom heads aren't getting much play, sadly I'll only maybe be able to change that in coming tts leagues.

  • @Tombonzo
    @Tombonzo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No Question Warcry will still be supported IMO. I think the competitive scene is good and and is likely carrying the game as a whole. BUT I’d love to see a cruncher Campaign system, one more like Mordheim, with modern Warcry rules. Talking I guess a style more like Necromunda. That system is crunchy. And this, only for campaigns…. Not one off battles or competitive play/tournaments. Right now, the campaign in Warcry is better than 1st edition, but it’s still lacking. Kind of like, “what am I playing for”? A lesser artifact here, a consumable there, etc. there appears to be no end to it either, looks like it just keeps going. Is that good or bad? I don’t know. Warcry will still be my number 1 game for easy one off battles (aside from Kill Team).

  • @printandplaygamer7134
    @printandplaygamer7134 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A factor that doesn't really get captured by the meta data is how the availability of a given faction or model affects the rate at which it appears (for allies), or the win rate (for factions). For example, Vulkyn Flameseekers are a relatively strong, recent bespoke faction that is playable with using a single box. These factors mean that Flameseekers are getting played a LOT, and probably disproportionately by relatively inexperienced players, which pulls the win rate down due to player skill level rather than the inherent power of the warband. Tournament win rates for generic space marines in 40K (basically, Ultramarines) are pulled down by this same factor--they are popular with new players, which pulls the average skill and experience level of pilots downward. Similarly, the Clawback and Beastnob are probably popular largely because they are readily available to Warcry players, both coming from popular, recent bespoke warbands. There are other ally candidates in Ironjaws and Ogors that are at least as strong, but are less accessible to Warcry players, being locked in AoS unit kits a Warcry player would have to spend $60 or more just to get access to a single model. For this reason, I suspect the frequent inclusion of the Clawback and Beastnob is more due to their easy availability, rather than their being significantly more powerful than other potential destruction allies.

  • @Fharlion
    @Fharlion 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the Darkoath are missing from the ALL Warbands section - they did make it into the Podium Data section, so I assume this is an oversight, and not a lack of data?

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I went back to double check; they definitely didn't nave enough games to make the general stats (though next time round they totally should do). They are suspiciously missing from the bulk data though which might be down to a naming convention thing in the back end but they are on 50% WR overall :)

  • @justDelicious01
    @justDelicious01 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    very interesting as a casual player who only plays with friends/family. I've been rocking the Questor Soulsworn recently because of just how miserable a time I was having with my last warband (Daughters of Khaine) and have been enjoying a lot more success. although our resident Seraphon player always makes it tricky as they tend to one shot most of my team. surprised the Questor are as low as they are - especially when they have the most allied unit too. looking forward to what 2025 brings (hopefully some buffs to DoK so they are actually playable)

    • @OffMetaMusings
      @OffMetaMusings 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A very good point was made that QS are the first warband for alot of players so that would in-part explain the low winrates (well, that and the tendency to bring stuff nowadays that can one shot a stormcast). That being said, they did have some success earlier in the year so I don't think that the raw numbers are all of the story :)

    • @Tombonzo
      @Tombonzo 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@OffMetaMusings- Questor Soulstorm are kicking my butt in Campaign play, I can tell you that! It doesn’t help I’m only allowed 1 leader to start, and ALL their guys are considered “Heroes” with 1 Leader! 😮😢 - this means they all have access to inspiring presence. What a pain in the ass it is. This is only for campaign though, and I know my one off battles could be a lot better with the addition of 2 more Heroes in my Warband.

    • @simonbergeron2520
      @simonbergeron2520 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Tombonzo they can always do that tho . Buuut in narrative they can all get a heroic trait!