My headcanon is that ones who walk away commit suicide. He says, “It is possible it does not exist, but they seem to know where they are going.” And that they walk ahead into the darkness (afterlife) and they do not come back. Just my interpretation.
I hadn't considered this, but it wouldn't seem in keeping with Le Guin's philosophy. It may seem like suicide to the people of Omelas, but it yields to those who reject Omelas something beyond the city's imagination. I can't remember who said this, but the world of Anarres in Le Guin's novel The Dispossessed could be described as a world of people who walked away from Omelas in the first place, so to speak-yet its story revolves around a character who walks away even from Anarres.
Humans are fallible. We act in self-interest because our empathy and compassion for others is limited to our emotional investment, or because we haven't thought through the consequences of our actions. It's bad enough that we are capable of accidentally causing others pain or injury or death. But to intentionally cause suffering or accept that suffering is necessary for the greater good (moral utilitarianism) is the definition of sin/ evil. The one's who stay in Omelas understand the cost of Omelas. The ones who walk away from Omelas understand the cost of Omelas. They seem to know where they are going because they are certain that their actions should NEVER be in spite of others. Walking away with is the only choice. My liberty ends where the suffering of a child incapable of giving consent or defending themselves begins. I cannot knowingly absolve myself from responsibility even if it is the 'best of all possible worlds', as Voltaire's Candide suggested.
I think I would stay. Most people listening to English audiobook are from contries where our standard of living is thanks to lower from other places. I could easily imagine a beater life for myself, and if the price for that would be suffering of one innocent child, when in the real, flawed world it is thanks to millions suffering, then I would except that.
I have felt the words of "we cant describe a happy man" long before I heard them here. I'm gonna make a story of a card game... I'm not much of a writer but i can make a game that can hopefully make this idea ready for people who will never type "audiobook" into their youtube search.
I came here due to an analysis video on "Paradise Killer," a game which explores these concepts in a wild, dreamlike way. I like your idea for a card game. Good luck and godspeed.
Emerald player? I can only guess this is a pokemon reference. Pokemon usually shows us just how good things can be, a few exceptions withstanding. I think a better world is worth working toward, but man its hard to keep that idea when looking at the world we have.
Obviously our world is way worse than Omelas. Still we find their "system" immoral, because of that one child's suffering, At the same time we close our eyes to the millions suffering on our own planet. To me that's the message the story is supposed to transport.
I understand what you mean but I wish the tragedy were so limited. I have only a clue as to what conditions you live with but such a terrible tragedy as the child happens all too frequently in my city.
Maybe the kid is - individual freedom or free speach or ... making it palestine is too simplistic. Do not think palestine has no part in the torture of the kid.
as much as i love this story there's one thing I can't wrap my head around... How does a suffering soul produce paradise for all others? And why would said paradise crumble if the child was released? I cannot fathom a genuine reason for it..... Just discovered it's about how someone elses prosperity means someone elses suffering. Wow, wow wow wow.
I took it that because everyone knows the child is suffering they are happy and kind because they want there to be a point to the pain they are causing the child. They think they should be happy so they are. Does that make sense?
I assumed the main point of the story was to make people think about whether all the misery in the world is made up for by happiness in others. It's not imo. If anyone disagrees would you be ok being the one who's tortured, or see your own child tortured that way?
I think it speaks to the bewildering human need for sacrifice....from ancient peoples choosing who would be destroyed in order to appease the "gods"...thru the not so distant (and even now) cruelty of slavery.....the way so many are paid subsistence wages, while the elite are granted wealth that is unimaginable..... starvation is tolerated....people die for want of healthcare etc...etc...etc.... So basically a metaphor for human history.....or maybe not a metaphor, really just the unvarnished truth.
It’s to show the flaws of utilitarianism, which means happiness for the general public, and the flaws of ethical egoism. There’s not a much more behind “why his suffering brings utopia”, but the meaning of it and the paradox it exposes in utilitarian theory.
I came here after learning about this in the Spring Day video by the Korean band BTS. In the video, this book was explained as was the movie Snowpiercer. Both this book and the movie have a subtle likeness about empathy and human kindness. Here is the video if you’re curious. th-cam.com/video/Tye1ONFeKis/w-d-xo.html
This, The Lottery, and The Monsters are Due on Maple Street are the short stories that I read in English that I still carry with me. They all kind of fall into the same category of “yo, wouldn’t it be f*cked up if that really happened?”
@@emeraldplayer5635 With how obvious the flaws of the world are today, many people are rejecting this society. The one that commits countless atrocities against children to keep itself standing.
The part where it talks about even if the child were to be let out, it would be too consumed with fear, and feel so unloved no amount of comfort would help it, made me cry. Reminds me sadly of my childhood under 2. I was told by my adopted parents who were told by the social workers, I was locked in a room for hours on end with my brother who had to care for me because our parents were gone and we didnt get treated well. And to this day, I still am riddled with fear and abandonment and even though I try so hard to tell myself I'm adult, life is OK now, I still have such a hard time getting past this. My brother and I's grandparents hated us, literally grandna didnt want to hear us scream and cry and demanded my grandpa kept as quiet as possible. Our grandparents are gone now, but I think I partially wanna scream at her and say how could she do that to us? She beat our mother, I was lucky my grandmother didn't beat me. It still angers me. I think my brother and I turned out pretty good, my grandparents missed out on some really cool grandkids.
That's so sad😥. I'm glad you're in a better place now. It doesn't help that our entire culture is toxic in some ways. We'd all heal faster if we were in a healthy world environment.
@@ChildrensRightsFirst947 That is true. However, it took years to get to a better place. I have struggled my whole life, and now, I am starting to feel better. I was blessed to get a job where I can have a few of my dreams comes true. I find myself so busy with everything, I don't have time to think of the pain of my childhood, which is good. That I think is what I need. Yes I wish I could tell my grandparents as I said they missed out on some awfully sweet people, but if I sit here and dwell that's when I get sad and depressed. Keeping my mind busy on my future with this new job has totally helped. It doesn erase the past with the pain most definitely, but I now see it as a place I've been, and not where I wanna stay. Also I got the weirdest response back off one of my comments like this. I was told by the vision of Holy Spirit, that my life had a woman who was trying to hold me back. To stop my from success and moving on. And it was now her time to go. She was done, and I needed to break her off and continue on with life. Now I wasng sure how to take this. A lot of times there is wrong intent here and that was Satan trying to tell me to let Jesus go, which I will never do. However in this case, the only one who would wish any form of stopping me would be my birth grandma. And maybe her spirit did follow me around and try to stop me in life and now, through the power of Jesus, I can tell her that time trying to stop me is over and she needs to leave. So I asked Jesus, if this was real and there really was a woman trying to stop me, then command her to go. I have firmly believed that maybe this was true because now things seem to be working right. I still have moments of wonder when things go wrong, but then I tell myself I can do it and I do. So amazing things.
@@goos98 unfortunately, this maybe a life long fight. I know I'm safe and loved now, just my inner core may forever be broken. I have a ton of love and support. Perhaps, my brokeness will create something beautiful and in some ways, I see this happening already. I see ways I'm healing, and I see the ways I still need to heal. I just gotta keep going till I get to heaven. Then I know I'll be fully healed.
That child deserves to be free. The sick Omelasians benefiting from the child's suffering must own up to their crimes. Together we will march on the streets of Omelas and free the child, liberating the city of its sin. May the warmth from the subsequent fires of war and burning paradise nourish the child in the winter. In a hundred years, a new Omelas will stand with little recollection of its origins. There will be Omelasian nationalists chanting on the streets and demanding sacrifice to bring back their days of glory.
Who made your shoes? Who picked the beans for your chocolate? Your bananas? Your cahsews? These and so much more were picked by the hands of children because they work cheap. Because if they did not do this hard work their families would not have enough. Some are even forced to do so without payment. Damn the ones who walk away if you wish, but you're still there. Still warm by the fire while the child suffers never knowing why he isn't one of the lucky ones born in the right place.
@@KyleEvra Do you own anything made by child labor, picked by slaves, or made cheap via exploitation? Shoes, chocolate, the clothes you wear. Our Omalas has far more suffering children. And as in that place we all discover this at some age. And we ignore it. You haven't walked away yet. You're still dancing with the drummer.
I have no problem with music and sometimes even enjoy it along with the story. The problem is not the music the problem is the ridiculous volume of the music compared to the reading.
@@Epoch11Absolutely. I came here after watching a video essay by Science Fiction with Damien Walters about UKL. He had music in the background also, but it was very subdued, and also was very well matched with the essay.
When you’re told the same in the real world, it will be with no less conviction- here or there, the child must be freed.
Good gold there
My headcanon is that ones who walk away commit suicide. He says, “It is possible it does not exist, but they seem to know where they are going.” And that they walk ahead into the darkness (afterlife) and they do not come back. Just my interpretation.
Hadn’t thought of it this way - great interpretation :)
I hadn't considered this, but it wouldn't seem in keeping with Le Guin's philosophy. It may seem like suicide to the people of Omelas, but it yields to those who reject Omelas something beyond the city's imagination. I can't remember who said this, but the world of Anarres in Le Guin's novel The Dispossessed could be described as a world of people who walked away from Omelas in the first place, so to speak-yet its story revolves around a character who walks away even from Anarres.
Humans are fallible. We act in self-interest because our empathy and compassion for others is limited to our emotional investment, or because we haven't thought through the consequences of our actions. It's bad enough that we are capable of accidentally causing others pain or injury or death. But to intentionally cause suffering or accept that suffering is necessary for the greater good (moral utilitarianism) is the definition of sin/ evil. The one's who stay in Omelas understand the cost of Omelas. The ones who walk away from Omelas understand the cost of Omelas. They seem to know where they are going because they are certain that their actions should NEVER be in spite of others. Walking away with is the only choice. My liberty ends where the suffering of a child incapable of giving consent or defending themselves begins. I cannot knowingly absolve myself from responsibility even if it is the 'best of all possible worlds', as Voltaire's Candide suggested.
Absolutely incredible
I like the video❤
It's pronounced Omelas not Omelas
uh, thanks for introducing me to this, ly-y-yle.
happy
Thank you!
Brilliant, thank you for reading this to us
I think I would stay. Most people listening to English audiobook are from contries where our standard of living is thanks to lower from other places. I could easily imagine a beater life for myself, and if the price for that would be suffering of one innocent child, when in the real, flawed world it is thanks to millions suffering, then I would except that.
A beater life or a better life? Probably both, right?
I have felt the words of "we cant describe a happy man" long before I heard them here. I'm gonna make a story of a card game... I'm not much of a writer but i can make a game that can hopefully make this idea ready for people who will never type "audiobook" into their youtube search.
I came here due to an analysis video on "Paradise Killer," a game which explores these concepts in a wild, dreamlike way. I like your idea for a card game. Good luck and godspeed.
Now I want to cry. How can we be okay with this? This is not the world I Invision. I have left Omelas.
Emerald player? I can only guess this is a pokemon reference. Pokemon usually shows us just how good things can be, a few exceptions withstanding. I think a better world is worth working toward, but man its hard to keep that idea when looking at the world we have.
Amazing mic it's annoying when I listen to these kinds of videos and there are high pitched cracks or annoying background noises thanks.
This is such an eye opening short story. It’s reflects our world. There are countries where there is suffering while others profit off their misery.
Obviously our world is way worse than Omelas. Still we find their "system" immoral, because of that one child's suffering, At the same time we close our eyes to the millions suffering on our own planet. To me that's the message the story is supposed to transport.
@@diggie9598 that’s the straight truth friend
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Palestine is the kid. The rest off the world is omelas
Palestine? I think you mean the Congo. 😅
Emma bought the psy ops😂
I understand what you mean but I wish the tragedy were so limited. I have only a clue as to what conditions you live with but such a terrible tragedy as the child happens all too frequently in my city.
Both Palestine and Congo, and many other places
Maybe the kid is - individual freedom or free speach or ... making it palestine is too simplistic. Do not think palestine has no part in the torture of the kid.
12:51 time stamp
Thank u
as much as i love this story there's one thing I can't wrap my head around... How does a suffering soul produce paradise for all others? And why would said paradise crumble if the child was released? I cannot fathom a genuine reason for it..... Just discovered it's about how someone elses prosperity means someone elses suffering. Wow, wow wow wow.
I took it that because everyone knows the child is suffering they are happy and kind because they want there to be a point to the pain they are causing the child. They think they should be happy so they are. Does that make sense?
@@silverpickaxe9144 In some twisted way, I guess? That's super deep even for me and I'm a deep thinker lol.
I assumed the main point of the story was to make people think about whether all the misery in the world is made up for by happiness in others. It's not imo. If anyone disagrees would you be ok being the one who's tortured, or see your own child tortured that way?
I think it speaks to the bewildering human need for sacrifice....from ancient peoples choosing who would be destroyed in order to appease the "gods"...thru the not so distant (and even now) cruelty of slavery.....the way so many are paid subsistence wages, while the elite are granted wealth that is unimaginable..... starvation is tolerated....people die for want of healthcare etc...etc...etc.... So basically a metaphor for human history.....or maybe not a metaphor, really just the unvarnished truth.
It’s to show the flaws of utilitarianism, which means happiness for the general public, and the flaws of ethical egoism. There’s not a much more behind “why his suffering brings utopia”, but the meaning of it and the paradox it exposes in utilitarian theory.
I came here after learning about this in the Spring Day video by the Korean band BTS. In the video, this book was explained as was the movie Snowpiercer. Both this book and the movie have a subtle likeness about empathy and human kindness. Here is the video if you’re curious. th-cam.com/video/Tye1ONFeKis/w-d-xo.html
This, The Lottery, and The Monsters are Due on Maple Street are the short stories that I read in English that I still carry with me. They all kind of fall into the same category of “yo, wouldn’t it be f*cked up if that really happened?”
The Knife Thrower is also in this category for me
the point of this particular story is that it does happen, and it is happening.
@@meep9963This is possibly the only space where I can speak in metaphor. It's good to know that there are others who have left Omelas.
@@emeraldplayer5635 With how obvious the flaws of the world are today, many people are rejecting this society. The one that commits countless atrocities against children to keep itself standing.
It's capitism/colonialism.
Is that all of it is fact the whole story xx
Thank you for the wonderful reading
Now listen again, but think of the child as an animal living in a factory farm…
The part where it talks about even if the child were to be let out, it would be too consumed with fear, and feel so unloved no amount of comfort would help it, made me cry. Reminds me sadly of my childhood under 2. I was told by my adopted parents who were told by the social workers, I was locked in a room for hours on end with my brother who had to care for me because our parents were gone and we didnt get treated well. And to this day, I still am riddled with fear and abandonment and even though I try so hard to tell myself I'm adult, life is OK now, I still have such a hard time getting past this. My brother and I's grandparents hated us, literally grandna didnt want to hear us scream and cry and demanded my grandpa kept as quiet as possible. Our grandparents are gone now, but I think I partially wanna scream at her and say how could she do that to us? She beat our mother, I was lucky my grandmother didn't beat me. It still angers me. I think my brother and I turned out pretty good, my grandparents missed out on some really cool grandkids.
That's so sad😥. I'm glad you're in a better place now. It doesn't help that our entire culture is toxic in some ways. We'd all heal faster if we were in a healthy world environment.
@@ChildrensRightsFirst947 That is true. However, it took years to get to a better place. I have struggled my whole life, and now, I am starting to feel better. I was blessed to get a job where I can have a few of my dreams comes true. I find myself so busy with everything, I don't have time to think of the pain of my childhood, which is good. That I think is what I need. Yes I wish I could tell my grandparents as I said they missed out on some awfully sweet people, but if I sit here and dwell that's when I get sad and depressed. Keeping my mind busy on my future with this new job has totally helped. It doesn erase the past with the pain most definitely, but I now see it as a place I've been, and not where I wanna stay. Also I got the weirdest response back off one of my comments like this. I was told by the vision of Holy Spirit, that my life had a woman who was trying to hold me back. To stop my from success and moving on. And it was now her time to go. She was done, and I needed to break her off and continue on with life. Now I wasng sure how to take this. A lot of times there is wrong intent here and that was Satan trying to tell me to let Jesus go, which I will never do. However in this case, the only one who would wish any form of stopping me would be my birth grandma. And maybe her spirit did follow me around and try to stop me in life and now, through the power of Jesus, I can tell her that time trying to stop me is over and she needs to leave. So I asked Jesus, if this was real and there really was a woman trying to stop me, then command her to go. I have firmly believed that maybe this was true because now things seem to be working right. I still have moments of wonder when things go wrong, but then I tell myself I can do it and I do. So amazing things.
Hope you're doing ok now
@@goos98 unfortunately, this maybe a life long fight. I know I'm safe and loved now, just my inner core may forever be broken. I have a ton of love and support. Perhaps, my brokeness will create something beautiful and in some ways, I see this happening already. I see ways I'm healing, and I see the ways I still need to heal. I just gotta keep going till I get to heaven. Then I know I'll be fully healed.
Great job! Thank you so much
Well done!
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I had not known of this story until now. Thanks for sharing / reading this to us!
You’re welcome! It’s one of my favorites
Great job but ruined by ads
That child deserves to be free. The sick Omelasians benefiting from the child's suffering must own up to their crimes. Together we will march on the streets of Omelas and free the child, liberating the city of its sin. May the warmth from the subsequent fires of war and burning paradise nourish the child in the winter. In a hundred years, a new Omelas will stand with little recollection of its origins. There will be Omelasian nationalists chanting on the streets and demanding sacrifice to bring back their days of glory.
Who made your shoes? Who picked the beans for your chocolate? Your bananas? Your cahsews? These and so much more were picked by the hands of children because they work cheap. Because if they did not do this hard work their families would not have enough. Some are even forced to do so without payment. Damn the ones who walk away if you wish, but you're still there. Still warm by the fire while the child suffers never knowing why he isn't one of the lucky ones born in the right place.
You do realize this relates to Pronatalistsm and their Pro-suffering Pro-cruelty and Pro-death
Damn the ones who are still there and not walked away.
@@KyleEvra Do you own anything made by child labor, picked by slaves, or made cheap via exploitation? Shoes, chocolate, the clothes you wear. Our Omalas has far more suffering children. And as in that place we all discover this at some age. And we ignore it. You haven't walked away yet. You're still dancing with the drummer.
@@paulscarvexx6911 It's disgusting how selfish society really is. A lot of people don't see a problem with some slaving away for others.
Finally a reading without any distracting music added! Thank you so much
I have no problem with music and sometimes even enjoy it along with the story. The problem is not the music the problem is the ridiculous volume of the music compared to the reading.
I actually ended up doing the same thing
@@Epoch11Absolutely. I came here after watching a video essay by Science Fiction with Damien Walters about UKL. He had music in the background also, but it was very subdued, and also was very well matched with the essay.
very nice storytelling but the "eh-haa, eh-haa" at 12:31 caught me off guard, hahaha
Same 🤣
What a sound! Got another video on cicadas around Taupo that everyone can see: th-cam.com/users/shortsY2kO9Ujv2G0
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Lovely ❤
Icicles 🥶
Looks like selfe not Evelyn
Take me there.
Sun drenched and lovely
Rugged
Cool
Lovely evening
Beautiful New Zealand, thank you my friend for bringing me here to this beautiful place. The footage views so awesome, sending my support
Thank you!!
Thank you. Great reading and enjoyed.
The birds sound like the ice
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