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@@bestcreate1417 I admit I was not aiming for top performance 🙈

Thanks for your thoughtful advice! I already thought about it. Did you repleace your fans? If so, then with which ones? Just for curiosity I ordered the Dark Rock Elite because it was on sale with 15% discount or so. It comes with faster fans.

@@tech-wombat I replaced the stock ones for some Corsair 3000rpm 120mm fans... But you have to change the fan hooks too!! Works really well on my 11900KF and thats a power hungry CPU... Keeps my temps in check when OC and full load...

Ну и что справляется?у меня такой же выбор

@@goiodman.6332 повилазило ? В якому місці я написав, що в мене вже є така збірка в користуванні?

@@666rusoeb ти багато думаєш, тобі мабуть це протипоказано, в якому місці я написав що я купляю або збираю дану збірку ? Для початку покажеш де я це пишу, а потім поговоримо

ja 😊

@@tech-wombat oke wollte nur fragen ob der Kühler für eine adm 7800x3d ausreicht also für zocken

@@tech-wombat übrigens super video

@@samcg1 Danke 😊 Wegen 7800X3D: Schwer zu sagen, da ich mich mit AMD nicht auskenne. Laut Specs sheet nimmt der 7800X3D nur 120W auf. Gleichzeitig ist seine Max-Temp mit 89C 11C niedriger als Intels 13700K mit 100C. Ich habe in meinem Teil2 Video aber paar unterschiedliche Szenarien mit Temperatur vs. Watt-Kühlleistung durchgespielt. Siehe das riesen-Balkendiagramm. Z.B. hat bei einer Raumtemperatur von 20C bei einem Limit der CPU auf 85C der Kühler ungefähr 180W Leistungsaufnahme abgeführt. Wenn man davon ausgeht, dass der 7800X3D nie mehr als 120W aufnimmt, müsste es reichen. Aber ob er das in der Praxis tut, kann ich einfach nicht beantworten. Weitere wichtige Anmerkung: Wenn die Raumtemperatur z.B. im Sommer auf 30C steigt, sinkt ja auch die Kühlleistung, da der Kühler ja nur soviel kühlen kann, wieviel Temperaturdelta zwischen Raumtemperatur und Temperatur der CPU ist. Ich würde vermuten, dass sollte ausreichen. Ich würde mich eher vergewissern, ob AMD auch die CPUs thermal throttled, wenn sie die 89C erreichen. Intel macht das. Dann wäre man für den Fall der Fälle auf der Sicheren Seite.

Vielen lieben Dank das du dir die Zeit genommen hast mir zu antworten,ich werde mich dazu nochmal ein wenig schlau machen ob der Kühler es in der Praxis schafft (habe schon abonniert und geliked)

I don't do recommendations. But check out my part 2: there I found at 20 degrees when I limit the CPU to 90 degrees, then it can cool 199W. So my thinking is the following: at your room temp of 30C with a max of 100C for the 13600K the DRP4 cloud dissipate 199W. In that scenario you would have a max Delta temperature between environment and Tjmax of 70C. But to my knowledge the 13600K only produces something around I think it was 180W or 190W. You should double check. Either way this would be less than my measured 199W at a delta of 70C. Meaning: you probably shouldn't experience much of thermal throttling even at a room temp of 30C - provided that your case provides enough airflow. At a low airflow you perhaps would also experience the occasional rotting at max load on the CPU. But max load on the CPU for an extended period of time is only if you render videos or do long compiles or something to that effect

@@tech-wombat TY ☺️

@eingelvf you're welcome. but you need a lot of airflow in your case.

Not sure, if this is a question. I mean the 14700 (non-K) has a processor base power of 65W and a max turbo power of 219W. The DRP4 at a room temp of 20C can dissipate around 220W. As I guess max turbo power won't be held for very long (but I don't know for how long, probably somewhere around 50-100 sec) and is only needed at a max load on the CPU, and then it falls back to the processor base power of 65W which is nowhere near the 220W which the DRP4 can cool long term at 20C room temp this probably should be fine.

Siempre que tengas el adaptador, si. Yo lo tengo con una placa Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X DDR4 y un i5-12600K. Si contactas con Be Quiet, al menos en su momento, con una factura de la CPU o la placa base, te enviaran el adaptador gratis.

Assuming rendering in blender is a type of full load then my experience is as follows: My Dark Rock Pro 4 is not able to handle my 13700K at full load. This means that the 13700K hits its Tjmax of 100°C and starts thermal throttling. I have read somewhere that all Intel processors have mechanisms built in to thermally throttle a CPU to prevent damage. In my testing this thermal throttling lead to 400 MHz or so lower max frequency, which resulted in around 7.5% lower performance. I consider this negligible, at least as long as you are not doing this mainly on this PC. But to me it is more important that the CPU is not throttling a lot. Therefore I reduced the max Power Limit 1 and Power Limit 2 to 190W/250W. Alternatively you can set the thermal limit a little bit lower than 100°C. I have tested both of this and how they affect CPU performance in my Part 2 Video of the Dark Rock Pro 4 tests. Check it out if you like.

I assume you are asking with gaming in mind? I guess the RTX4090 makes more heat than my 4070Ti, and a higher environmental temperature reduces the cooling capacity of the CPU cooler. But on the other hand it depends on how much cores a game actually utilizes. Older games only utilize a handful of cores. So the CPU doesn't produce that much heat. In my tests the my 13700K never came above 150W, and most of the time it was 100-125W. At that usage there is plenty of headroom, so I perhaps higher environmental temperatures from the RTX4090 are no problem. But I cannot tell definitely. I also heared that games like Cyberpunk are utilizing a lot of cores, and therefore in such case the CPU would produce more heat. Like I said... difficult question. Perhaps buy the Noctua NH-D15? I have read that it has a "silent setup" which reduces the max RPM to 1500 or 1600 or so therefore reducing the noise. But in case this wouldn't be enough you could use the max RPM. The max RPM on the Be Quiet DRP4 are fixed at 1200 and 1500 rpm respectively for noise reasons.

@@tech-wombat Thank you, I appreciate your answer! I think im going to go for a beQuiet Silent Loop 2 Watercooling. Because in the Summer my Room can get pretty hot, like 10 degrees above average. I think I might hit the heat-limit then and don't want to risk it. And Cyberpunk is one of the games I Want to play too. I just had a bad experience with my last water-cooling noise wise and was thinking about an air cooling. Your video definitely helped me getting an idea about air cooling power.

Danke für das Lob!

sounds promising as well! I wish you that it turns out right!

nice! :D

What did you buy in terms of cpu, MB and cooling?

@afti03 thanks man! :-)

If you want OC buy AIO bcs DR Pro 4 is one of TOP AIR Coolers and still have high temps

Should be no problem! It is safe anyway as the CPU has builtin overheating protection. But in this use case there should be no throttling at all.

I want to do a build just like that. Purebase 500fx case Z790 motherboard I7 13700k Rx 6700xt Dark rock pro 4 Strictly Gaming

Mine did come with the LGA1700 mounting kit. Check out bequiet site, there they say, since when LGA1700 is packaged. But I think this was probably 2021 even.

Might be too late but just undervolt it. Just monitor your temperatures.

Interesting. Thanks very much for sharing your experience with AIO. I assume the AIO fans rund at full speed and you are using a 13700k as well? May I ask your room tenperature?

@@tech-wombat yes i have the 13700k and my room temperature is 21/22°. I set full speed fans start at 70°. With 185W, i have 84/85°.

@@gagapa76 similar here. Thanks!

Thanks! How good to hear. Did you know that 13600K is just as fast, as 12700K, if not a tiny bit faster, and has a 9W lower TDP? (12700k @ 190W, 13600k @ 181W). Just saying.

@@tech-wombat oops, no I didn't. Seems it's too late now, I already ordered my 12700k, but it's a good remark. With the Be Quiet Dark Rock 4 I trust I'll be fine though.😅

@@fredericc.6115 yes, it will be finde, don't worry! Have a nice day!

I'm giving a second thought to your interesting remark. Indeed, I can still switch to a 13600k. I read some articles and watched some videos, which seem to indicate that the 13600k still runs globally a bit hotter than the 12700k. Can I ask you which cpu you would pick for yourself, if you were free to pick one, please? They seem pretty equivalent, but maybe I missed an important difference. Thank you! 🙂🙏

@@fredericc.6115 I personally have bought the 13700K, even though the Dark Rock Pro 4 limits its top performance by around 7.5% in my environment. Even with that it is still 16% faster than the 13600k and the 12700k (as they are virtually the same performance wise). But I am questioning, if this was the best decision financially wise. But it still has 4 cores more than 12700k and 13600k. I'd propose to ask yourself, if you are on a budget, then I'd go with the 13600k or the 12700k, or if you want to have more head room and want to spend that money. I went for the second option. For gaming and even light video editing the 13600k is adequate, and probably will stay that way for years.

In the in-game statistics only lines 1-5 come from Afterburner directly. I have HWInfo64 running in the background as well. It provides the other statistics like the system fans and the others. However, to see them in-game you have to enable this first. For that you right-click in HWInfo64, click on OSD (RTSS), then select each info individually, and click "Show Value in OSD", and if needed "Show Label in OSD", and set Position/Line if needed. A handful of stats from HWInfo64 (but far from all) can be added in Afterburner directly. For that open Afterburner Properties, go to monitoring tab, and there is in line three (counted from the absolute top, above the graph list) the label "Active hardware monitoring graphs" and a three-point-button to the right of it. Click on it. Then activate the check in front of HwInfo.dll. Then click on Setup-Button. There you can add i.e. the CPU fan speed, but not the system fan speeds or individual core loads or frequencies. This runs a HwInfo instance in the windows tray bar. It might be necessary, that you open it, go to it's settings, and in the General tab activate "Shared Memory Support". Regarding idle temps: I am not familiar with AMD. But 45-47C idle temp at room temp of 29-30C means a delta-temp of 15-18C. This seems fine to me. In this very moment I have a room temp of 19C and my CPU shows 34-35C idle, which is 15-16C delta-temp too. So yours seems fine to me, but again: I am not familiar with AMD

Hi, based on your question I assume your preference is low noise rather than highest possible performance and you are looking for a cooler for the 13700k. The decision between BeQuiet DRP4 or Noctua NH-D15 is only relevant for 13700k or higher and only for sustained high workloads like rendering videos or 3D. Only in that cases you will have to set power limits or get slight thermal throttling on DRP4. The D15 has little higher max RPM (1500 rpm for D15 vs 1200 rpm for DRP4). The DRP4 by itself only makes around 33db at 1200rpm (max rpm), so I assume the D15 will be a little bit louder than that at its max rpm. But to be fair: Some people claim that the 13700k does not thermal throttle when used with the D15 at max rpm (but I personally can't say anything about D15) And you probably can limit its fan curve in the bios in a way not to go above 1200 rpm, if it would be too loud. That way you would have the best of both worlds. It is in my experience more expensive than the DRP4. I personally decided against liquis cooler, as I don't want liquids near my precious electronics and liquid coolers need maintenance every year or two. But they provide much more cooling capacity at louder noise. So it comes back to the question if you have sustained high workloads. Side notes: I do not know how loud liquid coolers are at idle CPU but I have read that some have a rattling of the water pump. In comparison the DRP4 has high quality fan bearings which make it at idle CPU resulting in low 300rpm close to inaudible. But again: I cannot quantify how loud liquid coolers are at idle. So based on your informations you probably can take either of them: the D15 or the DRP4. Just for the record: gaming does not qualify as high workload on the CPU.

@@tech-wombat Thanks a LOT.

@CombinE54 Hi fellow enthusiast, I was thinking about the exact same thing and decided to go for a PL1 limit too. I did not limit PL2, as the heat production during PL2 will be accounted for, when lowering frequencies in PL1. That way CPU still hits Tjunction for 40-80 seconds depending on PL1. I think this is preferable to a general temperature limit, as I think a power limit would also limit the boost frequencies during the first 40-80 seconds. As most everyday tasks don't take longer than that in essence I would leave a lot performance on the table. How much? During boost time the frequency will be lowered somewhere around 125-250MHz. But when setting temperature limit to 90C at room temp 20C I think it will be lowered by more than that (I do not remember from the top of my head if I have quantified that, but I think perhaps around 400MHz, but don't hold me to that, please try yourself). Therefore I went for 199W/253W PL1/PL2 limits as I think I get a little more performance that way while even at 30C ambient temp being under 98C

Yes, that is correct. As I said in the conclusion: For the occasional creator it is Ok. Meaning: someone rendering 24/7 probably leaves 7% performance on the table and should choose a different cooler. With regards to heat dissipation will come to a similar conclusion to the 220W in Part 2. I think it is 224W exactly at a room temperature of 20C or around 205W at 30C. Noctuas D15 availability was very bad at the time and it was a lot more expensive, when I looked for it. But sure, I agree. How loud is the Noctua at full rpm? Does the memory fit under the front fan or did you have to reposition it higher?

@@tech-wombat Noctua is much louder, it's hard for me to assess how much because I haven't measured it, and in the Fractal Torrent case with all 6 fans, when all of them hum, the computer is audible, but not insistently.

Question: can i mount Corsair VENGEANCE RGB 32 GB (2x16 GB) DDR5 DRAM 6000 MHz C40 and it fit with Dark Rock Pro 4 ? Mainboard MSI MPG Z790.

@@piotrgowacko5344 I cannot tell. What I can tell though: I had no trouble to install my Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 5600 2x32GB CL40. perhaps you can compare the size with yours. Also perhaps check the BeQuiet and also MSI homepage for exact measures of the cooler and the height of the RAM slots on the Mainboard.

@@tech-wombat Thanks for answer and advice. Cheers.

How nice to hear! How does it feel?

@@tech-wombat its Awesome! especially coming from a T440p, The screen was so muddy, This PC actually feels really new and comparable to MacBook's

@@MrSonic731 yes, I thought so myself with the big touchpad, high res display and good sound. I recommend to set the battery loading limit to 80% to limit battery wear over time. Have a nice day!

@@tech-wombat i have a question ? Does yours get really hot? any recommendations ?

@@MrSonic731 I mean it is somewhat depending o. The situation and the workload: when the power cable is on and I have set the performance dial in the tray bar to max then it gets loud and very warm, you could say hot. But most of the time I have set the performance dial in the middle, so it is not that loud and hot. When running on battery I have the performance dial set to the 2nd lowest position, and it gets kind of warm, but I'd not call it hot.

I cannot tell as it depends on the RAm height as well as on the motherboard and the location of the ram slots relative to the cpu socket. For your reference though: I have bought 2x32 GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR5 5600 CL40 and a MSI Z790 Tomahawk wifi. I could install my RAM sticks even after I have installed the Cooler. But they are now located exactly beneath the front fan. There is only perhaps 5mm space between the fan and the ram sticks. So yours might not fit

I will do a in depth built video as well how I built everything. But I cannot tell when, so probably don't wait for it.

@@tech-wombat its fits fine!!! yesterday i install my pc. thx for the reply tho :D

@@javiercontreras9879 I'm happy to hear! Thanx for your feedback. May I ask which CPU you are using and which mainboard?

@JohnConnor333 It can handle it. Kind of. And it is very silent. Kind of. The fans are at low <50%PWM barely noticeable. I had to halt my other case fans to even hear them at office work. It also depends on the Power Limits. With unlimited power the CPU takes around 280W peak and starts temperature throttling at 100C very fast and fans run at full throttle when utilizing all cores. When you have "everyday" workloads with one or two cores only, like in most games and office workload it handles the heat well with around 60-85C (always assuming room temperature of 20C), even without any powerlimits. I am testing PL1=190W, PL2=220W, and it reaches even with all core loads only 89C on PL1, but still with fans at 100%. It's difficult. I hope to have the vid online in a couple of days

It can handle cooling games without any particular hustle. It even depends more on your other case fans. I still need a couple of days for the video.

@@tech-wombat Still waiting for it

I'm not sure yet. I asked bequemer support the same thing. If it can cool if I don't plan to overclock. They said: probably. I will do some performance checks and post a video about them in the next weeks.

The keys of the T14 gen1 have in fact a little smaller key travel than the T430s, but to be honest I got accustomed to it and when I go back to the T430s I find the old key travel even too big. The keyboard is therefore comparably good. There are small details I like even better on the T14 like the function keys, which are now in groups of four, and rectangular in contrast to the other keys which have more rounded corners. Also the touchpad is huge compared to the T430s, and the lower keys are now integrated into the touchpad surface. The overall performance is an order of magintude higher, but the battery "only" is capable of 5-7 hours, which I find a little to few. All in all I am happy.

I appreciate that!

Are you perhaps referring to the U3223QE? Looking at its specs there are following differences as opposed to the U3219Q: - IPS black (as opposed to IPS) which basically means higher contrast ratio of 2000:1 (vs 1300:1 with the U3219Q). This means deeper blacks as the name would suggest. - USB 3.2 vs USB 3.0 Hub. This means more speed when attaching devides - Built in RJ45 Jack which I really miss on the U3219Q - 2 more USB ports which I also miss on the U3219Q Resolution and max brightness seem to be the same. - Seems to be slightly more energy efficient with 29.4W as opposed to 43W on the Q3219Q. The U3223QE seems to me like a slightly better and more up to date version of the U3219Q.

@@tech-wombat Yes, you are right! Thank you for you reply. I am going to get the new one.

Thanks for your nice words!

@@tech-wombat Need some help. Did you consider the S3221QS? I am doing hobby CAD work on an iMac 22” using Parallels. I need better perf because were to even get an M1 Studio Max, it’s benchmarks plummet using a VM. Thus, I am getting a PC just for the CAD work…not gaming. I am not doing commercial work but just need some more screen space. I decided a 32” 4K would vastly improve the screen space and still give me the resolution I am use to on the iMac. I thought curved screens were better when you have multiple windows open but they say the viewing angle is worse. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

​@@bw162 I decided myself for the S3219Q and against the S3221QS for two reasons: 1. S3221QS does not have a USB-C hub. 2. S3219Q has a IPS display as opposed to S3221QS having a VA display. I don't really like VA displays as they have generally not that nice colors and image stability when it comes to the viewing angle as opposed to IPS displays which I think are much better in that department. Therefore the S3219Q comes with factory calibrated colors. I'm not sure if the S3221QS does. I guess curved screens are somewhat better with large display but at the size of 32" I find a flat display is acceptable. I wouldn't buy a bigger display with a flat surface though. Fun fact I did work with CAD as a design draftsman 20 years ago. When thinking about technical drawings and CAD I would ask myself if a curved display is a good or a bad idea. When I would like to see a perfect rectangle I could imagine that a curved display somewhat messes up my perception of shapes. Probably thats why I would go for a flat display. But as it was very long ago since I have worked with CAD and curved displays were not a thing back then I cannot really add any personal experiences.

@@tech-wombat Thank you for responding and giving me your thoughts. I’ve been working with Apple computers since the Apple 2 and Newton but haven’t stayed up with all the changes. A little overwhelming especially for my age impaired brain.

Thanks! My desk has a depth of 80 cm and the monitor is not standing all the way back. Also the monitor stand has quite some depth. So I would say the distance between my eyes and the monitor surface is 50 - 65 cm. I don't feel any neck discomfort but I have to admit that I never had any problems with my neck. I have to admit that I move my head subconsciously a little if I read anything in the corners of the monitor. In that moments I wonder if I wouldn't have to do that if the monitor would be slightly curved instead of flat. But this is is not that big a problem that I would discourage people from using a 32" monitor with a flat surface. For some time now I use an additional 27" 4K monitor which stands on the right side of this one and is rotated 90 degrees (in portrait mode if you will). This one is in fact somewhat turned towards me. I wonder if I should make a video about that.

@@tech-wombat My desk have the same size (80 centimeters). My main concern is about my comfort to work 8 hours per day in front a display this size. I din't decide yet if I will buy a Dell 32" 4k (U3223W) or a Dell 34" 2k (P3421W). Regarding the review of your second monitor (27 inches) and how you use, I think it would be very useful because some software engineers have the same idea to apply in their workflow. Like I said your review was very good. Thanks for the quick answer.

@@flarisbm thanks for your feedback. Probably I will make one, but don't wait for it. I can very well work 8 hours a day with mine 32" without problems. But I habe to admit that the 16:9 ratio is not the best to use three windows side by side. It is possible to place one window in the left upper quarter, one in the left lower quarter and one on the right half. But in the end this was to tight for my taste and I bought a cheaper second 4K Dell S2721QS. Regarding your decision: the P3421W (I'd call it 1440p) has a 21:9 ratio which is definitely a bit better suiting width for displaying three windows side by side. For me 1440p was to little though. But nontheless the P3421W has at least a slight curvature and seems also to have a USB-C. There is also the U4021QW which is even 5K (which has its own problems when using two monitors on 2020 laptops or older) but it was too pricey for me.

Happy to hear that. Thanks very much!

Sorry to hear that. Thanks for the feedback anyway!

Thanks!

I filmed the whole video with 125% scaling. Sorry.

@@tech-wombat So no problem with unsharp text because of the uneven scaling factor? I read about that but I have no experience there.

@Canaz No, I don't have any problems with unsharp texts or uneven scaling factors, and I use quite a lot of different applications like Chrome, Firefox, VSCode, Libreoffice, Davinci Resolve, couple of multi OS apps based on Java or QT. One remark though: Windows is not perfectly capable to change the scaling on the fly meaning: when you change the scaling you have to reboot or logoff/logon from windows in order to have the scaling working flawlessly. Before the reboot the effects you mentioned actually occur. In case you'd be planning using two monitors with different scaling I cloud imagine that there would be the mentioned unsharpness of text or blurry scalings on either of the monitors. But I have no real experience if that really is what would be happening as I decided to use the same scaling of 125% on all of my monitors.