วีดีโอ

For a typical movie to upscale and de-noise a 1080 to 4K my rig will hold about 11fps and renders a full movie in about 4.5 hrs. The example shown in this video was a worst case scenario with stacked models. But cleaning up 4K HDR videos are always just slow like this.

@@Finite-Tuning Thank you. I honestly had no other source of information online.

I'm expecting about a 30% increase in render performance with a 5090 which for the video shown here will equal 0.4 to 0.6 more FPS. Which in turn equals 4-6 hours less render time. I hope the 50 series will do better, but I don't expect more then about 30%. If it's it's much less then a 30% improvement, then I'll probably end up sending mine back. The example shown in this video is a worst case scenario, most renders are not this involved. For the average movie that I upscale and enhance form 1080 to 4k, I normally hold around 11 fps. The average movie is finished in about 4.5 hrs. The example movie shown in this video took 20 hours total render time. And it was unwatchable! Topaz video AI is very broken software anymore, they seem to get worse with each update. Cheers and good luck 🍻

I'm pretty sure everybody knows about the 2 internal release tits. This was perhaps an over dramatization of gas-cap-less stupidity for the sake of over complication. But it's Ford, so there's that I guess. Cheers 🍻

First, I'm glad you liked the video. Second, what exactly did you see that makes you think of the word and term "bottleneck"? This is what real work looks like to a computer, it's nothing like playing games or synthetic benchmarks. No single part of the system will ever hit and hold 100% utilization doing real work like video rendering. There will always be some fluctuation with this type of work since nothing is perfectly optimized for it. There is no single area that is really any more important than another with this type of work, because it's just system dependent. I run 4 different upscalers currently, and they will all put a top end system right on it's ass! There is no such thing as too much compute power, there is only the lack of it in this case. Which is why Topaz is renting servers for online upscaling since most don't have a $4k rig at home, and even if they did, a bunch of servers are still way faster! That's what most don't seem to understand about this kind of work. It's not about a faster part that doesn't exist, but rather it's all about getting more of the same parts to do the work in tandem. That's how super computers work, and to do this kind of video work, you either need a super computer at the ready or a day's worth of patience. I will be getting a 5090 when available, but can you guess what kind of difference it will make to this kind of work load? Well, if it's 30% more powerful than a 4090 then I can expect about 0.4 to 0.6 extra FPS on the same render shown in this video. Somewhere between 4 and 6 hours faster to render this entire video which took 20 hours total if memory serves. It may not sound like a lot, but it adds up real fast. If you want to build a system for doing this kind of work, then look to the sky for your spending limit and just start puking money. Or, build something reasonable and just be patient. Or, just rent the processing power online to do the job. But keep in mind there will be a failure rate. Topaz Video AI is a very broken program and only certain parts of it work. They seem to break more shit with each new update. You won't know the render is broken until it's too late. This exact video shown here, the one that took 20 hours to render out was complete garbage! All that time, electricity, money, and it was unwatchable! Currently they can't produce a working h265 mkv video, and that's been broken for over 6 months now and they fucking know it! Yeah, it's a mixed bag of pain and pleasure doing this kind of work, mostly pain 😁. Cheers and good luck 🍻

​@@Finite-Tuning Thanks for the reply! it's a great insight with only enthusiasts can share. About the weird term 'bottleneck', i refered that as the problem with software-hardware relationship("Optimization" you mentioned). The games / rendering tasks like you mentioned often has no issue with those, since they uses a very advanced utilization method(Like the pre-built APIs which will use the hardware in max throttle), while it looks like the Topaz's software doesn't. When the problem occurs within software-hardware, the ones with strange specs might be more efficient in that case. such as Apple Silicon, which has a massive cache and I/O bandwidth compared to traditional Windows Desktops. people love using Topaz's software on Apple devices, and i assume that's because it's not using the full resources of Nvidia/AMD GPUs, not the reason that it's 'optimized for Apple hardware'. Even the individual Video Enhance Models utilizes the GPU greatly, such as frame interpolation and VSRs(Video Super Resolution). and the difference comes from the utilizations i mentioned. in this case, it uses CUDA cores and VRAM a lot, resulting very high GPU usage all the time while newer gen GPUs can reduce the time much more than just using the raw computing component. Even the experimental video encoding/decoding method i studied in our lab utilized the poor 3090s that were suffering with high temp all the time.. However, if i'm wrong, and Topaz are doing great utilizing their software with Nvidia GPUs, the RTX 50 series will likely benefit from that. for example, the RTX 5090 has more power with processing multimedia, which could also help reducing the processing time. also with GDDR7's high bandwidth, too. and for me, that's why i'm expecting to buy 5090/5080 for the Topaz. if it only gets +0.4 to +0.6 fps improvement, it's gonna be heartbreaking to me. Overall, it's gonna be a no-brainer to buy RTX 50s, but I'm more concerned if this tech ever gonna be the mainstream due to its limit and 'lazyness' with Topaz updating their softwares meaninglessly.. Good luck with your enhancing project!

Even when sealed with tape, this thing cannot cool beyond the temperature shown. And as stated, it is functioning according to spec. It's not broken, it's just not capable. No amount of thermal paste can fix an under-powered TEC. The interior of a car will get much hotter then my test environment shown in the video. The automotive cigarette lighter/AUX plug in a vehicle is normally fused at 10 amps. The PC PSU's shown in this video are all 20 amps plus rated. This is just a poorly designed cooler that is incapable of cooling anything unless the entire thing is put into a cooler that actually works! I have all the pieces and parts to make this thing finally do it's job, I have not dedicated the time to finishing part two of this series, yet. But I'll get there eventually and this thing will finally work as a "cooler" by definition! Cheers 🍻

It's a real problem for sure. I don't allow any of that remix shit and I never have. I don't want my work being used and misrepresented by anyone, other than me. I don't care if someone downloads my video for offline viewing or archival purposes, but when assholes point blank steal my work and try to profit from it, I'mma pitch a real serious bitch about it! Of coarse if I were specifically asked permission to use one of my videos, I'd have no issues with that. But this horseshit that I keep seeing on Amazon, it's gotta stop! I have had quite enough of that for sure. If I was offered $50 per second to use my work, yeah I think I'd take that and run with a smile 😁. Cheers my friend 🍻

I agree with you. You got robbed!! ​@Finite-Tuning

Is there any proof of this? According to the Topaz website an M4 max can't even touch a 4090, let alone compete with one. Doing what I did in this video will put any PC on it's ass and keep it there, nothing on the market can render this type of work 'quickly', that's why renting servers to do the processing online is becoming more of a thing. It literally takes a super computer or a day's worth of patience to render this type of work load.

I use the Nyx model mostly since it does not seem to introduce any weird hallucinations and it seems to do the best job at fixing the one thing I just cannot stand, which is noise. Thankfully the program gives the option to control this factor for those that like noise, but I cannot stand the stuff! Noise is a secondary byproduct of a primary problem and I just hate it. video noise can mess with my eyes in the same way an out of focus picture does, I spend the entire movie searching for tack sharp images that simply don't exist. For me it's quite an eye strain. Cheers 🍻

@ I’m sorry, I meant grain. Grain and noise are different. Your input file is 4k so yeah it’s going to work amazingly. Although if you ever have a lower quality movie that you’re upscaling, and you don’t like the result, try adding a little bit of grain. I’m upscaling episodes of bonanza and the little added grain makes a huge difference.

@@mrtimjitsu : No worries, I understood what you were saying. Cheers 🍻

Yeah, performance is crap across the board for this type of work. It's even worse when you factor in the amount of electricity my system uses. For a task like this my rig pulls 650 - 700 watts continuously, and it pumps out half a ton worth of heat as well. I have a laptop with a 12th gen i9 and a 3080ti, and that pulls about 250 watts for a job like this. But it too runs hot as hell and it takes 3 times as long compared to this desktop. It's all poison I tell ya....! Cheers 🍻

That's fine, but I'd recommend at least a 1kw PSU and going with a 4080 super rather then a 4070 of any variant. For doing this job, you want the absolute most GPU that you can afford, and all venders use the same, exact, Nvidia chips! Paying more for a messily 25mhz boost in speed is ludicrous. Buy the cheapest 4080 super you can find, used, and then overclock it yourself. This for example: amzn.to/4friHGv The (manufacturers) name may change but the chip remains the same! It is the system in total that matters, but the single most important component for doing this type of work is the GPU, so splurge there if you can. SSD's may or may not matter to you, but here is an example of when it does matter for this type of work: th-cam.com/video/kB_dtTblA1Y/w-d-xo.html Cheers 🍻

This isn't the bad build, but try upgrading to RTX 4080 while curving down your budget on RAMs and Motherboard. RAM clock speed or timing doesn't affect much on AMD CPUs, so you can save much on RAM. (also, 32GB would be enough if you're using Topaz.) Motherboard with cheaper price(B650 chipset) won't compromise anything, except less USB ports or M.2 slots(maybe), so you can apply those too. Liquid cooler isn't necessary with 7950X, but if you're gonna use the desktop 24/7 for rendering, it's recommended. The OP is right with the graphics card recommendation. top-end 4070Ti with massive cooling means +5% on performance maximum, so it's much wiser to buy the cheapest 4080(or super). If you're still hesitating, i think you should consider AMD's Ryzen 9900X + RTX 5070Ti for build. if you're in a rush, try buying the used hardware, like 7950X3D or 4080 Super.

No, but I wish! The whole movie took 23hrs. What is shown in this video is only a 30 second test clip.

That's good. My laptop takes 4 to 6 days doing something like that lol. I have a 32gb ram i7 intel core hp laptop & i'm setting my eyes on the Asus Scar laptop.​@@Finite-Tuning

I'm with you on that, I don't care about video games for a laptop. I have a xbox series x for that. I'm super into upscaling my old dvds. I did a couple with 60fps & i'm so amazed of the results. I always wanted to do it myself & now i'm doing it, just need laptop speeds similar to yours.

@@th3rd3arplan3tradio : Good luck man. If you want to do this kind of work, look to the sky and just puke money! That is literally what it takes. Even then you will still render at the speed of smell. Cheers and good luck my friend 🍻

@@Finite-Tuning Topaz is such a good upscaling software. I was curious on how people were able to make videos from dvd quality to 1080p 60fps. It just naturally came to me lol. I have 3 laptops so far. 2 i7's & 1 i5 for multi-tasking. It'll be a while before I get that beast laptop.

It's the same micro code, so I'd expect the same results.

It's Topaz's problem not Nvidia, even 7900xtx do like 3 frames

upgrade to what? 1801 is the most recent release

@@boblong101 but this is the 1801 for Asus rog strix e gaming. its older there

Maneater

Lol, every year I get a little closer 😁. I do apologize for taking so long on this, but this winter it's gettin done! I just got the newest colorimiter a few days ago and recently did my own HDR calibration to be sure I know what I'm doing in this regard. Now all I have to do is press record and walk you guys through it. Soon, very soon I will do exactly that. It's the exact same process as SDR, so there won't be much new information, just some things to consider before making any adjustments. But there are a few different ways of calibrating which some may not be aware. Very soon I will make that video. I swear it! Cheers 🍻

Did you mean CPU wattage? I'm running all default Intel settings which is 253 watts. I have manually set a lower thermal throttle limit though. Intel recommends 212 F but I set mine at 190 F. No chip should ever get so hot that it can boil water! But this new microcode update keeps operating temps well below even my custom threshold.

@@Finite-Tuning i meant the iccmax you can go performance or extreme. i ended up going with performace so its 307a the base for heat i havent lost any performance its been running way cooler with the bio upgrade, and my voltages went from wild 1.47 under load to staying at 1.39v with peaks of 1 to 2 s of 1.40v peaks when loading something really intense . i also made the mistake of setting svid to intel failsafe thinking that would be well safe i learned its the max voltage to i was hitting 1.5v putting it to typical has put me below 1.40v

@@Finite-Tuning i also went from running into the high 80c with peaks into 90c playing stalker 2 to high 70c but never going into 80s

@@Chevalier_knight: Oh I see. I had to double check my setting, I just couldn't remember. My mobo calls it something different, specifically "Intel CPU current" and it's set at 307 amps as well.

@@Finite-Tuning yeh i had it on the extreme setting so it was auto set to 400a putting to the 307a one gave much better heat and volts. was up all night with chatgpt trying to figure this stuff out.

It is certainly a debatable difference. The greatest difference I noticed was color temperature, not luminance. White 'vs' not quite white. In total light output to the naked eye, they are very similar. Cheers 🍻

A couple of days later? No. A couple of months later? yes. As one commenter suggested and I really quite like his analogy : "Nozzle bang on every refill" It's FORD and its real, there is no fix, there is only understanding and acceptance or a hard core work around. Most folks can't handle any of that truth regardless of how nice it may sound.

"What" is a waste of time?

Cloud computing seems to be the direction most are heading towards, and then selling/buying tokens for access. Topaz is doing that too. I did look into a workstation card back when I was planning this system build, but I just can't justify the price tag. And no body anywhere it seems had any data on doing any kind of real work with a 4090, it was all just gaming numbers. Well, now I/we know what a 4090 can really do, not'a lot'a.... So I really wouldn't expect much more from a 6000 series card. It probably takes multiples to make any real improvement.... Like cloud computing. Cheers 🍻

I have no idea, I don't play games. This BIOS will fix the voltage issue with the processor, which may also end up fixing your gaming issues as well.

i have the same issue, currently trying to find out how to update all of this, never had this issue before. every demanding game crashes for me or i get an error saying out of video memory trying to allocate rendering resource

@@erikaserikas8239 : The BIOS update must be downloaded from your motherboard manufacturer. That will contain the new Intel microcode. Was that your point of issue or confusion?

@@Finite-Tuning yes, that was confusion, thanks for the response, I did the update and enforced the limits, now my games finally work!!!

@@erikaserikas8239: Nice, I'm glad this solved the problem.

Ummm, well, it's all gas. But what gas exactly? That is the question always. "Gasoline" in liquid formation will last almost 2 times longer whereas natural gas will consume more while producing less power. Then propane will produce more power than natural gas while alive for less total cost then gasoline. You must literally, specifically, point blank matter of fact ask a better question to receive a better answer. Cheers 🍻

@Finite-Tuning so I am trying to buy one to run to electric fryers they are 2000 watts each and a stand mixer, possibly some lights for events. They are typically 4 hours in length.

@@rchavez1840 : For that work load I would recommend running gasoline and a fan. Gasoline for the run time and extra power, then a fan to make sure the engine/generator has enough air cooling. Cheers 🍻

The latest version from whomever manufactures your motherboard. BIOS firmware is manufacturer specific. The latest BIOS update for 13/14 gen I9's will have the newest Intel 0x12b microcode (aka) firmware already embedded.

Yes, perfectly safe. I think it would be dangerous not to update.

@ idk why people is saying that 14900K is a PC destroyer. I was SO AFRAID my god

Make sure you dont turn on intel rapid memory thing i was getting blue screen for about an hour until i figured it out

Cheers 🍻