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We don't like the ones who bomb us indiscriminately either

@@tgraywrites if 24,000 confirmed deaths (according to updated UN statistics) over 13,000 out of which are your beloved Hamas militants, and out of a total population count of 2.3 million people in one of the most densely populated areas in the world - then no my friend, that is not, by any definition or by comparison to any other conflict in the modern era a "indiscriminately bombing" of civillians.

Actually he said ISRL should be DQ'd because of their ongoing violation of international law and widespread atrocities. He only noted as a supplementary point their poor treatment of differently oriented ppl.

​@@yessum15what atrocities? Responding to an attack on their citizens and a direcy threat by enemy to do so again and again and again?

I did say that the juries show unfair political bias. As evidence that Eurovision's claim to not be a political competition is nonsense. I also never said that Israel's treatment of gay people (come on, "gays"? Do better) is a reason not to include them. I said it's the blatant reason they use Eurovision to pinkwash their reputation. Palestinian LGBT+ people aren't going anywhere. They're being bombed and starved to death by Israel.

@@Thenoobestgirl Responding to HM & their October operation is important but it should be done in a lawful manner. The same international law that prohibits what ISRL is currently doing (massive liquidation of civs, aid workers, journalists, UN staff, etc) also prescribes a legal method for addressing international crimes such as the October operation. ISRL should have engaged the UN & the ICJ in order to obtain an order for action. At that point an international set of peace keepers would be deployed to secure the region and capture the perpetrators who would subsequently be tried in the ICC. This is the method that ISRL already promised to do in the treaties that it signed. However, ISRL broke their promise. They did not follow this procedure because they were in violation of the law long before October, as they are currently maintaining an illegal annexation of the region.

@@Thenoobestgirl Responding is not the problem. Breaking the law they promised to obey is. Specifically, the liquidation of journalists, civs, aid workers, and UN staff. As well as the general maintenance of an illegal annexation in direct opposition to treaties that ISRL signed promising it would not do this.

Hamas is not the Palestinian people, and the Palestinian people have been the victims of this conflict by a factor of over 20:1

@@DIY-Mechanic What genoc¡de do you think?

​@@ElguirideCalafell-sb1yzOctober 7th?

@@doesntmatter4136 What happened that day was horrible, but cannot be called a genocide. However, the ICJ said about the events in Gaza that there is likely a genocide going on. I'm a bit tired of having to condemn the (horrific) murder of 1200 persons before being allowed to condemn the murder of 34.000 persons. It's getting ridiculous.

@@ElguirideCalafell-sb1yz The ICJ has quite conclusively said that it is not a genocide; rather they said that it is okay to proceed with investigating, the same way you would if someone was charged with anything. In legal terms, 'plausible' is an incredibly low standard. The ICJ President came out herself to clarify that the court's decision had nothing to do with whether it was a genocide that was plausible. Second, you said 'murder of 34,000 persons.' Setting aside the statistical issues with the likely inflated numbers, what is the breakdown for these people? How many were combatants, how many died of natural causes? The IDF estimates at least 14,000 combatants. The annual Gaza death rate by natural causes is approx. 2.91/1000 people, aka about 6k per year. When you kill a combatant engaging in hostilities, is that a murder? In both cases I wouldn't call it murder. Analysis of the casualty data: www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/05/02/gaza-health-ministry-cannot-provide-names-for-more-than-10000-it-says-have-died/

​@@ElguirideCalafell-sb1yzare you stupid or just pretending to be?

he really does

Speaking out against genoc¡de has nothing to do with, and is more important than defending gay rights. A genoc¡de cannot and must not be commited in name of the gay community. Not in my name!

I can't talk about the hundreds who may have tried, because they're dead and buried under the onslaught by the Israeli military

he cant because it wouldnt fit his agenda, so he'll just lie that "israel" kills them all. easy to just turn the word israel into a monster without thinking for a second there are humans behind every action there.

​@@tgraywrites Theres a war going on between Israel and Hamas. Israel didn't start it. People get killed in war; Israel didn't want a war. So let's imagine a scenario where Hamas (Iran) win this war and then take control of Israel. Then the only gay-friendly state in the middle east will be gone. What then for all those people having to hide their sexuality just to stay alive?

@@DIY-Mechanicthis guy is a clueless bot. Bless his little soul.

Israel has killed hundreds of LGBT+ people in Gaza. I'm not the one ignoring anything.

​@@tgraywritesisrael has killed gay people for being gay? Prove it.

Being a country in Europe is not a condition of being able to be an entrant in the contest -

@@booth2710 it's weird that it is called Eurovision then instead of globalvision

Excellent summary of the situation and the moral ambiguity of those that demonise Israel but seems unable to blame Hamas for the ongoing tragedy for Palestinians

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Competing in the Eurovision has to do with being an EBU member state, not actually being a European state.

Why were they allowed to compete? Weird choice to decide that question isn't relevant.

​@@tgraywrites Exactly.

​@@tgraywritesFor the same reason Ukraine is allowed to compete.

​@@doesntmatter4136UKR is not currently violating multiple international laws and engaged in massive liquidation of civs, journalists, and UN staff.

​@@yessum15neither is Israel

Most refugees are citizens of states

​@@tgraywritesthe weird thing is tho. While a "normal" refugee is would not be considerd a refugee if they get citizenship in another country. But not for palestinians. They Will always be refugees until they return to the place theu came from. So palestinians that has citizen ship in Jordan get aid because they are considerd a refugee

@@dividingrain1907 Palestine get the most humanitarian aide compared to other refugees, compared how Palestinians live relative to real victims of civil wars and active genocides that get ignored, palatine is the most protected "refugee" group even though they are living in a country that has been defacto Palestine since 1920 and partitioned as the West Bank.

@@TheSarinaide YES, someone that isnt brainwashed by tiktok or yt shorts to think there is a genocide and that israel is an apartheid. Nice to see someone with a brain. But yeah, palestinians are the most protected refugees. They even got their own organisation. Unrwa just for palestinians. And unchr for the rest of the world

That would be a surprise to the refugee organisations mostly handling Ukrainians in the UK, as the only group who've been shown any support by the Government at all

Capped insulin at $35 a month, 15,000,000 jobs created, inflation reduction act

@@nightpipp3937 It was 35 when Trump was in, Biden did not create any 15 million jobs ( laughable), Biden & Co. created the inflation in the first place, your statement is Democrat propaganda.

@@nightpipp3937 Troll account.

@@jdgoade1306 you or me?

This is called projection, George

So what you're saying is... without law... you would be running around elementary schools jerking it? That's a pretty fucking weird implication, George. I think you need to get checked by a professional. Weirdo.

The same was said for gay people in our recent past, complete with medical interventions to "correct" them

@@tgraywrites LOL, gay people never claimed to be the opposite sex or "born in the wrong body" and they certainly didn't have a pathological interest in kids like the trans movement does. And puberty blockers for effeminate boys & tom boy girls? THAT is gay conversion therapy!

The definition of a cultural "lost cause" is when the only reason it hasn't progressed is due to opposition by older generations against overwhelming support by younger ones. Opposition to trans rights could not fall more clearly into this category.

"It's not normal behaviour, you know" - Which of course is not a statement that has ever been made about gay people. "Extremely dangerous drugs" - puberty blockers have been used since the 1980s and are still used frequently now for kids outside their use for trans youth. No concerns have been raised about their safety in the decades they've been used. Hormone therapy, also, is frequently used for cis people and is well understood and has been used for decades. These are not new medications, they are well understood, and not considered "extremely dangerous" even by the Cass Review. "A new gay conversion therapy" - Hi, fun fact, I am one of the founders and lead organisers of the End Conversion Therapy Scotland campaign. I've been working on delivering a ban for years, and the bill is due to come forwards this year. You can literally look me up speaking in the Scottish Parliament about it. Would you like to know how much evidence there is of the "trans the gay away" myth? Literally none.

@@tgraywrites "... puberty blockers have been used since the 1980s and are still used frequently now for kids outside their use for trans youth..." Awesome sentence right there, and here is why this is misleading and dangerous speculation: Puberty blockers are used today for people with precocious puberty, and sex hormones are prescribed freely today, probably everywhere, to people with hormonal disorders, which is also one of the causes of precocious puberty. Now there are a few things about both of those conditions which separates them from "gender dysphoria": they are physical, can be diagnosed with prety much mechanical methods by measuring certain chemical disbalances and without any reasonable doubt, and both can be measured. There's this thing called insulin; I know you've heard of it and, coincidentally, it’s also a hormone. Now, for people with diabetes, it's a cure. For people who have no diabetes, it's a poison and can be fatal. See how thin of a line that is? The old Greeks used one word for both the poison and the cure: Pharmakon.

The idea the brain isn't a physical part of you is a myth, and nothing you said here contradicts anything I did. Sex hormones are not "poisons", be serious, or just admit you don't think trans people should exist.

@@tgraywrites "...Sex hormones are not "poisons", be serious..." They are not a cure either; they are exactly that: hormones, chemical compounds that the body naturally produces under certain conditions and with a certain purpose. You can't just prescribe hormones to someone without confirming that something isn't working as it should with their glands, that's pseudo-medicine, quackery if you will.

@Pozzoy they are exactly that, hormones. Something we *already* prescribe widely without any glandular issues. For example - for people going through menopause, a perfectly natural process. "Pseudo-medicine" is what you're doing, making up medical rules as you go along without any understanding of medicine to back you up.

What's the conflict?

@@testinginging-wp6di I prefer not to say. You need to do your own research, always.

@@xmaseveeve5259 oh, so you don't actually know if there's a conflict, fair enough

@testinginging-wp6di generally these kind of comments really *want* to say a slur but won't because it would reveal their "reasonable concerns" for what they truly are

@@tgraywrites yeahhhh "I prefer not to say" I'll bet mate, probably coz if they did it'd be telling on themselves

If you watch past this it may make more sense for a couple of reasons. Firstly that comorbidities are common across entirely benign issues and for entirely benign reasons, like left handedness. They don't mean, automatically, that this is an alternative explanation for why someone is feeling this way. No one asks "are they left handed, or are they just autistic?" despite people being more likely to be autistic if they're left handed. It's a display of looking for things that might be "wrong" with someone that can be "fixed" as if being trans is a problem in need of a solution instead of a natural part of who some people are.

​Also to add to @@tgraywritesresponse, it's worth noting that 1) transgender people are more likely to be diagnosed BECAUSE of the intense screening process to access hormones. It may well be - and has actually been suggested by a number of leading psychological organisations - that if every cis person had to go through such screening, they too would find that many more people have these disorders than are diagnosed. And 2) a lot of the disorders found to be more prevalently diagnosed in transgender people are also heavily linked to external factors, including trauma that is regularly linked to societal transphobia. This is a minority of which ~90% have experienced hate crimes (uk statistics) of which 40% involved physical violence, which the media and politicians regularly compare to sexual predators and made law changes specifically to make their lives worse, and of which over 1/4 of under 18s are kicked out and made homeless when they come out to their families, it's no wonder they're more likely to have mental illnesses. In addition, the increased prevalence of mental health diagnoses doesn't stop the other statistics on transition from being relevant. The largest study of transition impact to date is the 2022 US Transgender Study, with over 90,000 participants. It examined a wide variety of factors in transition, including post-transition satisfaction. The results found that transition improved people's quality of life in over 94% of cases for social transition (name/pronoun change), and that hormonal treatments led to a higher quality of life in 98% of cases. There isn't another medical procedure on the planet with this level of post-treatment satisfaction. Even if you consider gender dysphoria to be an 'illness', these results - combined with others - state we've essentially found the cure. This was the largest study and is therefore incredibly relevant, but its results echo those of all the thousands of smaller studies going back decades and decades: transition improves quality of life for those seeking it.​ (Edited for some typos)

Well said.

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I'm not so sure because "politically correct" was being nice, but still upholding logic and common sense. Wokeness, on the other hand, throws logic and common sense out the window.

Just as BLM I think the original idea of woke was good, and especially great for spreading positivity. But now it has simply become wayyy too broad of a term, which has associated it with some deplorable behavior and rhetoric